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Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter
said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? tom -- Pizza: cheap, easy, and portable. Oh, wait, that's me. Never mind. -- Edda |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message ,
Tom Anderson writes We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf .... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. -- Paul Terry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Tom Anderson writes We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. But is that just luck? The map is wrong in other areas, for example the Jubilee Line between Baker Street and Bond Street, or DLR at Bank. I haven't yet found a fully accurate map. The nearest I have is an old (1956) Bartholemew's Central London Atlas-Guide, but of course that's now very out of date. The .pdf street maps in the TfL Journey Planner also appear to be quite accurate, though it can be tricky to get it to display the one you want. I have never seen one which shows the two sharp double-bends on the Piccadilly Line east of South Kensington. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message , Richard J.
writes Paul Terry wrote: http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. But is that just luck? The map is wrong in other areas, for example the Jubilee Line between Baker Street and Bond Street, or DLR at Bank. "Not wonderfully detailed" was not the best description - it would be fairer to say that there are quite a few approximations! I don't think there is anything much better to be found on the WWW, though. I haven't yet found a fully accurate map. The nearest I have is an old (1956) Bartholemew's Central London Atlas-Guide, but of course that's now very out of date. The .pdf street maps in the TfL Journey Planner also appear to be quite accurate, though it can be tricky to get it to display the one you want. Unless I'm looking at the wrong ones, they don't show tube-line routes. I have never seen one which shows the two sharp double-bends on the Piccadilly Line east of South Kensington. My 1948 Bartholomew's Greater London Reference Atlas shows it very clearly at 4" to the mile - but I see that tube lines are not shown in the 1961 edition of the same atlas. -- Paul Terry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Paul Terry" wrote in message
... In message , Richard J. writes I have never seen one which shows the two sharp double-bends on the Piccadilly Line east of South Kensington. My 1948 Bartholomew's Greater London Reference Atlas shows it very clearly at 4" to the mile - but I see that tube lines are not shown in the 1961 edition of the same atlas. .... not shown where they stay beneath roads, but shown elsewhere, eg the Piccadilly between Russell Sq and KX, or the Northern from Waterloo to Kennington. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter
said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. There is also the diagram of Finsbury Park station at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro.../ltfinpark.gif which shows that north of the station the Victoria Line climbs over the Piccadilly Line and so is on the west of it. Therefore if you accept the diagram is accurate there has to be a crossing of the lines sooner or later. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Graham J wrote:
We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. There is also the diagram of Finsbury Park station at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro.../ltfinpark.gif which shows that north of the station the Victoria Line climbs over the Piccadilly Line and so is on the west of it. Therefore if you accept the diagram is accurate there has to be a crossing of the lines sooner or later. Are you suggesting i should take as the truth a 'map' posted on John Rowland's website? Be gone with you, sir! Seriously, though, cheers for the link. Hang on, 'existing Northern City Line platforms used for southbound Victoria Line & southbound Piccadilly'? I never realised that; i'd read about the line being bottled up in a tube station under FP for political reasons, but i hadn't twigged it meant *the* station. Are there still tracks from it to the tube? tom -- see im down wid yo sci fi crew |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Richard J. wrote:
Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. But is that just luck? The map is wrong in other areas, for example the Jubilee Line between Baker Street and Bond Street, or DLR at Bank. I haven't yet found a fully accurate map. But how do you know whether a map is accurate? That you can evaluate them implies that you have some sort of authoritative source of knowledge about the routes - which is what i'm after! tom -- see im down wid yo sci fi crew |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
... This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Richard J. wrote: Paul Terry wrote: In message , Tom Anderson writes On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. But is that just luck? The map is wrong in other areas, for example the Jubilee Line between Baker Street and Bond Street, or DLR at Bank. I haven't yet found a fully accurate map. But how do you know whether a map is accurate? That you can evaluate them implies that you have some sort of authoritative source of knowledge about the routes - which is what i'm after! Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know enough to be able to say that any map is accurate. But I do know enough to show that some maps (well, all that I have seen, actually) are inaccurate. In the case of DLR Bank and the Piccadilly east of South Ken, simple observation shows that the map is not accurate. The Jubilee route "south" of Baker Street actually goes via Regent's Park; I know because there's a Jubilee Line ventilation shaft in the gardens north of Regent's Park station. Having said that, I think the map is nevertheless one of the best I've seen. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Paul Terry wrote:
The .pdf street maps in the TfL Journey Planner also appear to be quite accurate, though it can be tricky to get it to display the one you want. Unless I'm looking at the wrong ones, they don't show tube-line routes. You have to devise a route that uses the tube line in question. For example a route from postcode W1G 6BW (The London Clinic) to Southwark will involve either walk-tube or walk-bus-tube, and in all cases the tube is the Jubilee Line from Baker Street. If you view the details of any of these routes and click on "start map" for the initial walk, it will show not only the walking route but the subsequent Jubilee Line route passing near Regent's Park station. I have never seen one which shows the two sharp double-bends on the Piccadilly Line east of South Kensington. My 1948 Bartholomew's Greater London Reference Atlas shows it very clearly at 4" to the mile Interesting! My Bartholemew's of 1956 (3" to the mile) shows a left bend after South Ken, then a straight north-easterly run (not following the road pattern) to a second left-hander to align with Brompton Road, then a right-hander following the curve of Brompton Road by the Oratory. If yours shows the correct left-right-left-right sequence, which roads does it run under? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
David Splett wrote:
I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC. Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes. -- Phil Richards Stroud Green, London, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Tom Anderson wrote:
This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? Referring to the fold out maps in the now discontinued TfL "Out & About Guides", the lines cross somewhere in the vicinity of Eade Road & Vale Road, just north of the Woodbury Down Estate. -- Phil Richards London, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Phil Richards" wrote in message
T... David Splett wrote: I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC. Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes. Sorry, you're absolutely right - I means *south* of HGL. DS. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Tom Anderson wrote:
We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. This crossing is also shown on the Quail London Transport Railway Track Map (fifth edition, 1995) - just to the north of Manor House station. This map only covers Underground and Docklands lines, so Harringay Green Lanes is not shown on it. -- John Ray |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message , at 11:16:39 on Thu, 28 Oct
2004, Paul Terry remarked: There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. Hmm, it seems to suffer from the classic "join the dots" syndrome. Look at the Waterloo and City for example. That's shown as just a single arc, whereas we know it really looks like: http://www.perry.co.uk/maps/wc_c1895.gif So while it may be quite accurate in places, there are several I can see that are wrong. -- Roland Perry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
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at 20:28:53 on Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: But how do you know whether a map is accurate? That you can evaluate them implies that you have some sort of authoritative source of knowledge about the routes - which is what i'm after! Maps like that have to be pieced together from a wide range of sources. For example, the W&C map I posted a link to. An earlier in the year there was a long discussion about the approaches to Morden (another place where there's been a "joining the dots" rather than accurately depicting the route). I've got some other original maps of the Northern as it crosses the Thames. Others have spoken of the Piccadilly near South Ken, and the Jubilee north of Baker St being formerly Bakerloo makes the right-angle crossing shown rather implausible. I don't see a huge bend at Bank-Central, which one observes when on the train. And so on. Lots of little things to put together, each of which will improve one small part. -- Roland Perry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"David Splett" wrote in message
... "Phil Richards" wrote in message T... David Splett wrote: I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC. Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes. Sorry, you're absolutely right - I means *south* of HGL. If I can add to this discussion, my AtoZ of c 1970 shows the two lines at Manor House. The Victoria line appears to cross the Picadilly line at about the junction of Wells Terrace and Stroud Green Road, and again on the NE corner of Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road. There is another crossing to the west of the junction of Gillespie Road and Drayton Park. That is three crossings in all. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:28:53 on Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: But how do you know whether a map is accurate? That you can evaluate them implies that you have some sort of authoritative source of knowledge about the routes - which is what i'm after! Maps like that have to be pieced together from a wide range of sources. That's what i was afraid of. The 'map' i'm after only exists inside the minds of a few people who've spent years accumulating tube lore. For example, the W&C map I posted a link to. An earlier in the year there was a long discussion about the approaches to Morden (another place where there's been a "joining the dots" rather than accurately depicting the route). I've got some other original maps of the Northern as it crosses the Thames. Others have spoken of the Piccadilly near South Ken, and the Jubilee north of Baker St being formerly Bakerloo makes the right-angle crossing shown rather implausible. I don't see a huge bend at Bank-Central, which one observes when on the train. And so on. Lots of little things to put together, each of which will improve one small part. I see. I suppose i'll just have to keep reading and learning. Perhaps if someone comes along and offers me a sabbatical (do grad students get sabbaticals?), i'll take a year off to collate and digitise every scrap of information available, then put together a definitive map. Or persuade some geography student that it would make a good dissertation project! tom -- .... to build a space elevator, that's got to be hundreds of thousands of pounds ... -- Mike Froggatt |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message ,
Tom Anderson writes Perhaps if someone comes along and offers me a sabbatical (do grad students get sabbaticals?), i'll take a year off to collate and digitise every scrap of information available, then put together a definitive map. Or persuade some geography student that it would make a good dissertation project! When the tube system is shown on a geometric map it is almost always done in a way to assist users of the map to find routes. To do this it is inevitable that a lot of fine detail has to be compromised in order to maintain clarity. -- Paul Terry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message , Richard J.
writes TfL journey planner maps You have to devise a route that uses the tube line in question. Ah, thanks. It is interesting to see the route of the Piccadilly at South Ken if you enter something like Onslow Square to Knightsbridge. Interesting! My Bartholemew's of 1956 (3" to the mile) shows a left bend after South Ken, then a straight north-easterly run (not following the road pattern) to a second left-hander to align with Brompton Road, then a right-hander following the curve of Brompton Road by the Oratory. If yours shows the correct left-right-left-right sequence, which roads does it run under? No, sorry, it doesn't. This has come up before, as I recall. I think the second bend (following Brompton Road) is correct but the section before that is wrong. I have had a look at numerous early 20th-century maps, and most follow Bartholomew. Some of the Bacon maps show a tightly curved exit from the station, so that the line runs beneath and across Thurloe Square - but I think that is also wrong, since the position shown would produce tightly curved platforms. I suspect the most likely route is that shown by the about Journey Planner map, except that the Piccadilly lies directly beneath the District line rather than a little to the south of it. The reason is not only that the shape of the reverse curves seems right, but also the fact that the triangular site above the first curve (i.e. south of South Terrace) was a riding school at the end of the 19th century. That would doubtless have made it much easier and cheaper to obtain a wayleave for this one section of line that was not directly beneath a road or railway, rather than having to pay owners for tunnelling beneath multiple private properties. (The riding school is marked as "works" on later maps, after the Piccadilly was built). -- Paul Terry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
You'd probably find that TfL's museum at Covent Garden has something in
their library of maps but you'd need some form of authorisation to look I think. J.G "Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Tom Anderson writes Perhaps if someone comes along and offers me a sabbatical (do grad students get sabbaticals?), i'll take a year off to collate and digitise every scrap of information available, then put together a definitive map. Or persuade some geography student that it would make a good dissertation project! When the tube system is shown on a geometric map it is almost always done in a way to assist users of the map to find routes. To do this it is inevitable that a lot of fine detail has to be compromised in order to maintain clarity. -- Paul Terry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Tom Anderson writes We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. Paul Terry Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Cheerz, Baz |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Marratxi wrote:
"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Tom Anderson writes We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. Paul Terry Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Cheerz, Baz Some, mostly Adobe I suspect, photo/paint programmes allow conversion of a pdf file to an image file. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
Brimstone wrote: Marratxi wrote: "Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Tom Anderson writes We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out. This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with interchange, though. On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official maps somewhere? There is the map at the end of ... http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf ... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point south of Green Lanes. Paul Terry Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Cheerz, Baz Some, mostly Adobe I suspect, photo/paint programmes allow conversion of a pdf file to an image file. I just tried Acrobat's "Extract Images" option on the file to try it out, and all it extracted was the two blue images at the front and back of the document - it didn't extract that map at all. You can see when you zoom on it that's some kind of layered drawing - it's not an "image" (in the JPG sense of the word) as far as I can tell. What you can do though is extract just that one page and then save the whole thing as a 1MB JPG, but I've just tried, and it loses most of the quality when you zoom in. I suppose extracting it as an EPS might be better, but it all depends what the OP wants to do with it. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message , at 10:49:24 on Sat, 30
Oct 2004, Marratxi remarked: Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Needs to be kept as a .pdf, of course, otherwise much of the detail will inevitably be lost. There's a nag-ware utility called pdfedit995 which will do this. http://www.software995.com/ -- Roland Perry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Marratxi" wrote in message
... Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for instructions. Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to copy in sections and form a mosaic. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In article , Terry Harper
wrote: "Marratxi" wrote in message ... Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for instructions. Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to copy in sections and form a mosaic. With the version of Adobe I use you can zoom after you select the area. So, select the area you want, zoom it, then copy. Even if part of the window is not visible you will get it all. John |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"John Haines" wrote in message ... In article , Terry Harper wrote: "Marratxi" wrote in message ... Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for instructions. Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to copy in sections and form a mosaic. With the version of Adobe I use you can zoom after you select the area. So, select the area you want, zoom it, then copy. Even if part of the window is not visible you will get it all. John I tried all those tricks before asking for help. It doesn't make a large copy at all and if you try to enlarge it the definition is lousy. What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. Thanks guys, Baz |
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"Marratxi" wrote in message
... What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. I still don't understand why you don't just use marketone.pdf as is. What do you want to do with it that you can't do with the full file? The map alone probably takes up about two-thirds of the bytes of the PDF. I have the UITP version of the map from a few years ago, but that contains several versions of the same map and is an even larger file than marketone.pdf. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
In message , at 01:04:13 on Sun, 31
Oct 2004, Marratxi remarked: I tried all those tricks before asking for help. It doesn't make a large copy at all and if you try to enlarge it the definition is lousy. What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. 2nd attempt: There's a nag-ware utility called pdfedit995 which will do this. http://www.software995.com/ -- Roland Perry |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
Marratxi wrote:
"John Haines" wrote in message ... In article , Terry Harper wrote: "Marratxi" wrote in message ... Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses definition. Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for instructions. Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to copy in sections and form a mosaic. With the version of Adobe I use you can zoom after you select the area. So, select the area you want, zoom it, then copy. Even if part of the window is not visible you will get it all. John I tried all those tricks before asking for help. It doesn't make a large copy at all and if you try to enlarge it the definition is lousy. What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. Either use the freeware tool already suggested to snip off the last page, or else email me and I'll send it to you - it's a 1MB file once you take off the first 38 pages. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
Dave Newt wrote:
Marratxi wrote: 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. Either use the freeware tool already suggested to snip off the last page, or else email me and I'll send it to you - it's a 1MB file once you take off the first 38 pages. Sorry, I mean 516k. Letme know if you want it. |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
"Roland Perry" wrote in message .uk... In message , at 01:04:13 on Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Marratxi remarked: I tried all those tricks before asking for help. It doesn't make a large copy at all and if you try to enlarge it the definition is lousy. What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other 38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful. 2nd attempt: There's a nag-ware utility called pdfedit995 which will do this. http://www.software995.com/ -- Roland Perry Thanks, Roland. Unfortunately the downloaded file is corrupted (tried 3 times) but I'll try again another day. Cheerz, Baz |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of FinsburyPark
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Richard J. writes TfL journey planner maps You have to devise a route that uses the tube line in question. Ah, thanks. It is interesting to see the route of the Piccadilly at South Ken if you enter something like Onslow Square to Knightsbridge. (snip) Definitely interesting. Do those maps get deleted from TfL's server a certain time after they've been generated? Otherwise you can paste the URL: http://www.journeyplanner.org/user/F...4186238D2B.pdf -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Crossing of the Victoria and Piccadilly lines north of Finsbury Park
Dave Arquati wrote:
Paul Terry wrote: In message , Richard J. writes TfL journey planner maps You have to devise a route that uses the tube line in question. Ah, thanks. It is interesting to see the route of the Piccadilly at South Ken if you enter something like Onslow Square to Knightsbridge. (snip) Definitely interesting. Do those maps get deleted from TfL's server a certain time after they've been generated? Otherwise you can paste the URL: http://www.journeyplanner.org/user/F...4186238D2B.pdf That defaults to an incomplete version of the JP homepage, so I guess they do get deleted quite quickly. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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