Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Just a general comment in this thread; everyone is assuming that
people will transfer from Waterloo to St Pancras, but there will also
be a direct transfer between Waterloo and Stratford, which only takes
23 minutes platform to platform, compared to the 16 minutes for
Waterloo to St Pancras. There will hopefully be a travelator at
Stratford to compensate for it being a longer interchange than St
Pancras.


But I wonder how many Eurostar services will actually stop at Stratford?
Hopefully more than currently stop at Calais Frethun!

I hope it would be a fair few. Then again, the Olympic bid says that
passengers from the Continent will be able to make a convenient
cross-platform change at Ebbsfleet in order to reach Stratford... I
don't know if that applies just while the "Olympic Javelin" shuttle
service is running.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

TP writes

Because they will be desperately unattractive to those people who can
now transfer from their SWT service to a Eurostar at Waterloo. Adding
an extra leg to a journey is never attractive, especially when that
extra leg is itself inconvenient. Surely you can understand that?


So all those of us North of Watford Gap that come to London going on
holiday using Eurostar and traipsing over the tube system to get to
Waterloo will in 2007 GIVE A BLOODY big cheer.
I have used Eurostar a number of times and will continue to do so
in the future when going on holiday.

The bottom line re this move is that SOME section of the travelling
public is going to be INCONVENIENCED.
The only other way would be a dedicated line out of Waterloo at a
'high' speed and thats as likely as finding weapons of mass destruction
in Iraq

In article ,
(TP) wrote:

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on
Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson :
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact
that St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most
overcrowded in London and distribution of passengers from there is
extremely problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times.
This problem will not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the
absence of an upgraded Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.

Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
...


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road
station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will
(eventually) be installed and fitted out. Imagine City Thameslink with
nothing there apart from walls.

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

Not *in*, but *under*, St. Pancras though, surely? The lack of
provision will be the distance of the new Thameslink station from
King's Cross main line station - certainly no closer, and possibly
even further from parts of King's Cross than the current Thameslink
station is.

In message , at
08:19:31 on Fri, 26 Nov 2004, remarked:
Not *in*, but *under*, St. Pancras though, surely? The lack of
provision will be the distance of the new Thameslink station from
King's Cross main line station - certainly no closer, and possibly
even further from parts of King's Cross than the current Thameslink
station is.

Are you sure? The new St Pancras station has shown how close KX
platforms 9-11 are to the outside world, if you don't go via platform 8.
Where is the most south-easterly exit for the new Thameslink station
proposed to be?
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Solar Penguin) wrote:

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a
station if they had the money to fit it out. :-((

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , Huge
writes
(Colin Rosenstiel) writes:
In article ,

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So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a
station if they had the money to fit it out. :-((

Could you elaborate on that? Or point me to a URL?


There are some new photos on www.ctrl.co.uk - under photos select
construction 2004 and then contract 105
--
John Alexander,

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Roland Perry wrote:

In message ,
at 14:43:10 on Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson
remarked:
But won't most Essex folk headed for E* drive to Ebbsfleet through the
Dartford tunnel, rather than trek all the way via London?

I wouldn't.

I *would* go via Stratford rather than King's Cross, though!

That might suit you, but I doubt it would suit the majority.

Why not?

tom

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