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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... Ah... You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange station at some unspecified point in the future... Exactly. |
Buses from Waterloo to King's Cross (was Eurostar to quitWaterloo)
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:17:50 on Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' But you need to accept that those are the "normal" parameters. I most certainly do not. Where i grew up, Colchester, a large town in Essex, is not 45 min drive from Ebbsfleet, not by a long chalk, and is well served by fast trains to London. Yes, Colchester is outside the area I was describing. My route planner says 54 miles, so it'll depend a lot on the traffic! The trains are fast, somewhat at the expense of people living further down the line :-( I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. I was thinking anywhere bounded (roughly) by the A12 and M25, out as far as Witham. Ah, nothing that i'd count as actual Essex, then! You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Witham and Chelmsford, yes. The others, no - that's Gormandy, not Essex. tom -- It is a formal cultural policy to show unreasonable bias towards any woman who is both attractive and wierd. |
Eurostar to quit Waterloo
If Waterloo International remained open, St Pancras International
would be little more then a hideously expensive flop. Isn't that PRECISELY what it is anyway, and a damned and inexcusable inconvenience to domestic passengers using St. Pancras who have now been shoved halfway up the line to Hackney? Marc. |
Eurostar to quit Waterloo
--- Jack Taylor said... "Solar Penguin" wrote in message You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange station at some unspecified point in the future... Exactly. And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... |
Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... Nothing to do with the train operating companies. They just get told what is going to happen and to put up with it the same as their passengers. It's a decision made at a far higher level than them - they just field the crap from people who think that they have decided to do it for the fun of it. |
Eurostar to quit Waterloo
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Buses from Waterloo to King's Cross (was Eurostar to quit Waterloo)
Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Dave Liney wrote: If you want flat interchanges then go to Waterloo as normal and get a bus to Euston (at least three routes IIRC) and walk from there. Or you could walk to Aldwych and get a direct bus from there. It'll take around 30 minutes either way. Why on earth isn't there a direct bus between Waterloo and King's Cross?! I never even noticed that before. These are arguably the two most important railway termini. No, since one of those is Liverpool Street. Just because it mostly serves Essex and Hackney doesn't mean you can ignore it! Gaaah! Unless you have some definition of 'important' that is not related to passenger numbers, in which case you will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. Liverpool Street is very important - but when I was referring to King's Cross I meant (and didn't make at all obvious) the combination of King's Cross, St Pancras and King's Cross Thameslink. That's what i assumed - i don't think of them as separate stations. I'm not sure on the passenger numbers but combined it must be at least a competitor to Liverpool St. I think Greater King's Cross is the second busiest station in London, after Liverpool Street; i think Waterloo is a lot further down. I can never find the figures, though! Figures are available somewhere and I have seen them, the combined figures together means it would still come behind Victoria(I believe is the busiest passenger station in London), Liverpool Street and Waterloo. One thing to consider is the nature of the journeys: i think LS is so busy because of all the commuter traffic into the city, but handles relatively little long-haul traffic (there isn't really anywhere to long-haul to, except Chelmsford, Colchester and Norwich), whereas KX, along with Euston, is the hub for pretty much all of the trips along the length of the country. I should imagine Waterloo's in a similar situation to Liverpool Street, though: lots of inner and outer suburban traffic, not a lot of long-distance. If you think long-distance traffic is more important in some way, you could argue that KX is more important than LS, but i don't think it works for Waterloo. Whatever the passenger numbers, my rant is justified because Waterloo has two buses to Liverpool Street :-) (26 and express 705) It also has buses to Moorgate, Euston, Marylebone (Baker St), Paddington, Victoria, Charing Cross, London Bridge, Fenchurch Street, Cannon Street and City Thameslink. The only one left out seems to be Blackfriars - and the buses to London Bridge and Elephant & Castle should cover that. While we're ranting [1] - the buses at Blackfriars are a disgrace! The stops for some of them are about twenty miles up the road! And there's only one night bus - which is pretty daft, given that trains run there until pretty late at night. I had to do Wallington to Clapton on a sunday night once, which is why i'm bitter about this :). tom [1] By which i obviously mean "While *i'm* ranting" |
Eurostar to quit Waterloo
--- Jack Taylor said... "Solar Penguin" wrote And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... Nothing to do with the train operating companies. Errr... yes. That's _why_ I said "railway companies" not "train operating companies". |
Buses from Waterloo to King's Cross (was Eurostar to quit Waterloo)
In article , Roland
Perry writes You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
Buses from Waterloo to King's Cross (was Eurostar to quit Waterloo)
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:31:55 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote: In article , Roland Perry writes You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI? Grays is still in Essex! Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority, taking a bigger share of the local taxation pie, & providing some services that used to be provided by the ECC, but the Police & Fire Services are still provided via County Hall. As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their accents / dialects or by where they chose to live! Since he obviously has no knowledge of local traffic patterns, I'd be happy to state that Colchester to Grays / Thurrock is an hour's drive at legal speeds on a "good" day. The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to get there from the QE2 bridge, one would have to drive down the A2, eastbound. This will clash with the traffic to / from the Bluewater Mall ! So, as this time, based on some personal commuting experience between Colchester & Thurrock, + local knowledge re trips to / from Kent, I'd allow 2 hours from door to door by car! Since it's unlikely that many E*'s will actually call at Stratford &/or Ebbsfleet, I suspect that most of us will continue to drive to Ashford & park there. The M20 is a much quieter & quicker road than the A2, with better access to the M25, & Ashford is an easy hours drive from the Dartford Crossing. DC |
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