You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and
Grays are in Essex ?!?!?
Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to
hand,

I do now - Grays isn't in Essex either.

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In article , DC
writes
Grays is still in Essex!

Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority,

and so for legal purposes isn't part of Essex any more. [This is an old
discussion between Roland and me.]

but the Police & Fire Services are still provided
via County Hall.

They're not done by counties any more - they have a separate precept. We
have the same issue up my way.

As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he
should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their
accents / dialects or by where they chose to live!

Herr Anderson is clearly Gormless.

[Rest snipped. I grew up in Leigh-on-Sea and generally agree.]

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article ,
Roland Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon
and Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in
the County of Southend-of-Sea.
pedant
Southend is a Unitary authority, combining the duties of District and
County Councils and is therefore not part of the *administrative* county
of Essex. However, it still forms part of the *geographical* (now
termed "Ceremonial" County of Essex, eg for Sheriff and Lord Lieutenant
purposes.

But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant
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In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article ,
Roland Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon
and Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea.
pedant
Southend is a Unitary authority, combining the duties of District and
County Councils and is therefore not part of the *administrative* county
of Essex. However, it still forms part of the *geographical* (now
termed "Ceremonial" County of Essex, eg for Sheriff and Lord Lieutenant
purposes.

But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example, but a district in terms of
the Local Government Act 1972. I think it would have been better not to
have opened this can of worms.

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In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example,

No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex.

but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972.

There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some
Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham.

I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of
worms.

Almost certainly right.

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In article ,
(David Boothroyd) wrote:

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there
is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example,

No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex.

but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972.

There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some
Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham.

I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of
worms.

Almost certainly right.

You clearly haven't been reading enough Parliamentary Boundary Commission
reports David. Otherwise you wouldn't have written that rubbish. But this
is the wrong newsgroup to argue the toss about this.

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"DC" wrote in message
...

The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet
Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to
get there from the QE2 bridge, one
would have to drive down the A2, eastbound.

You didn't look at a map before posting that!

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In article , Ian Jelf
writes
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.

Statutory Instrument 1996 No. 1875:

1. This Order may be cited as the Essex (Boroughs of Colchester,
Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock and District of Tendring) (Structural,
Boundary and Electoral Changes) Order 1996 and shall come into force for
the purposes of articles 2(2), 4(1), (3) and (4), 7 to 9 and 11 on the
day after the day on which it is made, for the purposes of article 10 on
1st April 1997 and for all other purposes on 1st April 1998.

[...]

6.(1) Southend and Thurrock shall cease to form part of Essex.

(2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Southend
and shall be named the county of Southend-on-Sea.

(3) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Thurrock
and shall be named the county of Thurrock.

(4) Section 2(1) of the 1972 Act (which provides that every county shall
have a council) shall not apply in relation to the counties of
Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock.

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article , Ian Jelf
writes
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.

Statutory Instrument 1996 No. 1875:

1. This Order may be cited as the Essex (Boroughs of Colchester,
Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock and District of Tendring) (Structural,
Boundary and Electoral Changes) Order 1996 and shall come into force
for the purposes of articles 2(2), 4(1), (3) and (4), 7 to 9 and 11 on the
day after the day on which it is made, for the purposes of article 10 on
1st April 1997 and for all other purposes on 1st April 1998.

[...]

6.(1) Southend and Thurrock shall cease to form part of Essex.

(2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Southend
and shall be named the county of Southend-on-Sea.

(3) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Thurrock
and shall be named the county of Thurrock.
Wow. Then I stand corrected.

I wonder (perhaps I shouldn't for the purposes of this group!) whether
or not my earlier remarks about Southend (and apparently Thurrock) being
part of Essex for ceremonial purposes is true?

I feel some Googling coming on (although I really ought to be concerning
myself with other things this afternoon, specifically Samuel
Pepys.......)
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John Rowland wrote:
"DC" wrote in message
...

The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet
Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to
get there from the QE2 bridge, one
would have to drive down the A2, eastbound.


You didn't look at a map before posting that!

What's wrong with his statement? He's correct; access to Ebbsfleet will
be via the A2 and a new spur road which leaves the A2 where the B259
currently crosses it on a bridge.

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