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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Dave Arquati writes Just a general comment in this thread; everyone is assuming that people will transfer from Waterloo to St Pancras, but there will also be a direct transfer between Waterloo and Stratford, which only takes 23 minutes platform to platform, compared to the 16 minutes for Waterloo to St Pancras. There will hopefully be a travelator at Stratford to compensate for it being a longer interchange than St Pancras. But I wonder how many Eurostar services will actually stop at Stratford? Hopefully more than currently stop at Calais Frethun! I hope it would be a fair few. Then again, the Olympic bid says that passengers from the Continent will be able to make a convenient cross-platform change at Ebbsfleet in order to reach Stratford... I don't know if that applies just while the "Olympic Javelin" shuttle service is running. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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TP writes
Because they will be desperately unattractive to those people who can now transfer from their SWT service to a Eurostar at Waterloo. Adding an extra leg to a journey is never attractive, especially when that extra leg is itself inconvenient. Surely you can understand that? So all those of us North of Watford Gap that come to London going on holiday using Eurostar and traipsing over the tube system to get to Waterloo will in 2007 GIVE A BLOODY big cheer. I have used Eurostar a number of times and will continue to do so in the future when going on holiday. The bottom line re this move is that SOME section of the travelling public is going to be INCONVENIENCED. The only other way would be a dedicated line out of Waterloo at a 'high' speed and thats as likely as finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq |
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--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)... (TP) wrote: Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will be grossly inadequate. There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007. So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place? |
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"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place? It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will (eventually) be installed and fitted out. Imagine City Thameslink with nothing there apart from walls. |
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In article , Huge
writes (Colin Rosenstiel) writes: In article , [13 lines snipped] So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place? They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a station if they had the money to fit it out. :-(( Could you elaborate on that? Or point me to a URL? There are some new photos on www.ctrl.co.uk - under photos select construction 2004 and then contract 105 -- John Alexander, |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:43:10 on Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: But won't most Essex folk headed for E* drive to Ebbsfleet through the Dartford tunnel, rather than trek all the way via London? I wouldn't. I *would* go via Stratford rather than King's Cross, though! That might suit you, but I doubt it would suit the majority. Why not? tom -- All roads lead unto death row; who knows what's after? |
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20:05:32 on Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: I *would* go via Stratford rather than King's Cross, though! That might suit you, but I doubt it would suit the majority. Why not? Because it's so much easier for most of them to drive 45mins to Ebbsfleet and park there, than find a way of getting to their local station, not being able to park, and getting a slow train all the way to Stratford, just to get a fast one back to Ebbsfleet again. On the way back, which will often be late in the evening, how much better to have a nice warm comfortable drive home, than standing around at Stratford waiting for another slow train to (eg) Southend, then having to get a taxi the last part of the way. -- Roland Perry |
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In article , Huge
writes John writes: In article , Huge writes (Colin Rosenstiel) writes: In article , [13 lines snipped] So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place? They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a station if they had the money to fit it out. :-(( Could you elaborate on that? Or point me to a URL? There are some new photos on www.ctrl.co.uk - under photos select construction 2004 and then contract 105 What, they have pictures of no money? How does that work? They have pictures of a hole in the ground - if you have some money then I'm sure they'd put a station in it for you! -- John Alexander, |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
.uk... In message , at 20:05:32 on Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: I *would* go via Stratford rather than King's Cross, though! That might suit you, but I doubt it would suit the majority. Why not? Because it's so much easier for most of them to drive 45mins to Ebbsfleet and park there, than find a way of getting to their local station, not being able to park, and getting a slow train all the way to Stratford, just to get a fast one back to Ebbsfleet again. Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. Perhaps some enterprising organisation might start express coach services from this area to Ebbsfleet via the M25. On the way back, which will often be late in the evening, how much better to have a nice warm comfortable drive home, than standing around at Stratford waiting for another slow train to (eg) Southend, then having to get a taxi the last part of the way. Presuming one won't be partaking of alcoholic refreshment on the eurostar! I'm sure there will be some Essex residents who will drive to Ebbsfleet and others who will interchange at Stratford according to where they live, their preference and whether they have exclusive access to a car for the full period of their trip away (unless being dropped off/picked up). I can't see parking at Ebbsfleet being free either (what's the fee at Ashford?). The opinion that everyone will drive anyway would mean that efforts to improve public transport links at airports would be pointless too! -- Mark |
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In message , at 08:53:18 on Sat, 27 Nov
2004, Mark Townend remarked: Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' But you need to accept that those are the "normal" parameters. You can't legitimately dismiss what "most people" would perceive, by isolated counterexamples. I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. I was thinking anywhere bounded (roughly) by the A12 and M25, out as far as Witham. Perhaps some enterprising organisation might start express coach services from this area to Ebbsfleet via the M25. That would be a good idea, yes. I can't see parking at Ebbsfleet being free either (what's the fee at Ashford?). About a fiver a day. Very good value. The opinion that everyone will drive anyway would mean that efforts to improve public transport links at airports would be pointless too! There's no harm in improving the link at Airports, but you also have to improve the links at the end the punters live. To that extent, none of the existing plans really help someone taking the E* who lives in Southend. -- Roland Perry |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
... "Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place? It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will (eventually) be installed and fitted out. Imagine City Thameslink with nothing there apart from walls. There is nothing in City Thameslink except walls, and a chocolate machine. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In message , at 12:00:17 on Sat,
27 Nov 2004, John Rowland remarked: Imagine City Thameslink with nothing there apart from walls. There is nothing in City Thameslink except walls, and a chocolate machine. They've removed the platforms and stairs, have they? -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:53:18 on Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Mark Townend remarked: Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' But you need to accept that those are the "normal" parameters. I most certainly do not. Where i grew up, Colchester, a large town in Essex, is not 45 min drive from Ebbsfleet, not by a long chalk, and is well served by fast trains to London. I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. I was thinking anywhere bounded (roughly) by the A12 and M25, out as far as Witham. Ah, nothing that i'd count as actual Essex, then! tom -- resistance is fertile |
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In message ,
at 13:17:50 on Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' But you need to accept that those are the "normal" parameters. I most certainly do not. Where i grew up, Colchester, a large town in Essex, is not 45 min drive from Ebbsfleet, not by a long chalk, and is well served by fast trains to London. Yes, Colchester is outside the area I was describing. My route planner says 54 miles, so it'll depend a lot on the traffic! The trains are fast, somewhat at the expense of people living further down the line :-( I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. I was thinking anywhere bounded (roughly) by the A12 and M25, out as far as Witham. Ah, nothing that i'd count as actual Essex, then! You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? -- Roland Perry |
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--- Jack Taylor said...
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink interchange services? It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will (eventually) be installed and fitted out. Ah... You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange station at some unspecified point in the future... |
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"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... Ah... You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange station at some unspecified point in the future... Exactly. |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:17:50 on Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson remarked: Not all of Essex is 45min drive from Ebbsfleet at all times. Not all trains in Essex are 'slow' But you need to accept that those are the "normal" parameters. I most certainly do not. Where i grew up, Colchester, a large town in Essex, is not 45 min drive from Ebbsfleet, not by a long chalk, and is well served by fast trains to London. Yes, Colchester is outside the area I was describing. My route planner says 54 miles, so it'll depend a lot on the traffic! The trains are fast, somewhat at the expense of people living further down the line :-( I do take the point you're going nearly 'all the way' into London to pick the train up at Stratford if you're setting off from somewhere along the north Thames bank. I was thinking anywhere bounded (roughly) by the A12 and M25, out as far as Witham. Ah, nothing that i'd count as actual Essex, then! You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Witham and Chelmsford, yes. The others, no - that's Gormandy, not Essex. tom -- It is a formal cultural policy to show unreasonable bias towards any woman who is both attractive and wierd. |
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If Waterloo International remained open, St Pancras International
would be little more then a hideously expensive flop. Isn't that PRECISELY what it is anyway, and a damned and inexcusable inconvenience to domestic passengers using St. Pancras who have now been shoved halfway up the line to Hackney? Marc. |
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--- Jack Taylor said... "Solar Penguin" wrote in message You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange station at some unspecified point in the future... Exactly. And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... |
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"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... Nothing to do with the train operating companies. They just get told what is going to happen and to put up with it the same as their passengers. It's a decision made at a far higher level than them - they just field the crap from people who think that they have decided to do it for the fun of it. |
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Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote: Dave Liney wrote: If you want flat interchanges then go to Waterloo as normal and get a bus to Euston (at least three routes IIRC) and walk from there. Or you could walk to Aldwych and get a direct bus from there. It'll take around 30 minutes either way. Why on earth isn't there a direct bus between Waterloo and King's Cross?! I never even noticed that before. These are arguably the two most important railway termini. No, since one of those is Liverpool Street. Just because it mostly serves Essex and Hackney doesn't mean you can ignore it! Gaaah! Unless you have some definition of 'important' that is not related to passenger numbers, in which case you will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. Liverpool Street is very important - but when I was referring to King's Cross I meant (and didn't make at all obvious) the combination of King's Cross, St Pancras and King's Cross Thameslink. That's what i assumed - i don't think of them as separate stations. I'm not sure on the passenger numbers but combined it must be at least a competitor to Liverpool St. I think Greater King's Cross is the second busiest station in London, after Liverpool Street; i think Waterloo is a lot further down. I can never find the figures, though! Figures are available somewhere and I have seen them, the combined figures together means it would still come behind Victoria(I believe is the busiest passenger station in London), Liverpool Street and Waterloo. One thing to consider is the nature of the journeys: i think LS is so busy because of all the commuter traffic into the city, but handles relatively little long-haul traffic (there isn't really anywhere to long-haul to, except Chelmsford, Colchester and Norwich), whereas KX, along with Euston, is the hub for pretty much all of the trips along the length of the country. I should imagine Waterloo's in a similar situation to Liverpool Street, though: lots of inner and outer suburban traffic, not a lot of long-distance. If you think long-distance traffic is more important in some way, you could argue that KX is more important than LS, but i don't think it works for Waterloo. Whatever the passenger numbers, my rant is justified because Waterloo has two buses to Liverpool Street :-) (26 and express 705) It also has buses to Moorgate, Euston, Marylebone (Baker St), Paddington, Victoria, Charing Cross, London Bridge, Fenchurch Street, Cannon Street and City Thameslink. The only one left out seems to be Blackfriars - and the buses to London Bridge and Elephant & Castle should cover that. While we're ranting [1] - the buses at Blackfriars are a disgrace! The stops for some of them are about twenty miles up the road! And there's only one night bus - which is pretty daft, given that trains run there until pretty late at night. I had to do Wallington to Clapton on a sunday night once, which is why i'm bitter about this :). tom [1] By which i obviously mean "While *i'm* ranting" |
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--- Jack Taylor said... "Solar Penguin" wrote And the railway companies can't understand why no-one likes them... Nothing to do with the train operating companies. Errr... yes. That's _why_ I said "railway companies" not "train operating companies". |
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In article , Roland
Perry writes You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:31:55 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote: In article , Roland Perry writes You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI? Grays is still in Essex! Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority, taking a bigger share of the local taxation pie, & providing some services that used to be provided by the ECC, but the Police & Fire Services are still provided via County Hall. As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their accents / dialects or by where they chose to live! Since he obviously has no knowledge of local traffic patterns, I'd be happy to state that Colchester to Grays / Thurrock is an hour's drive at legal speeds on a "good" day. The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to get there from the QE2 bridge, one would have to drive down the A2, eastbound. This will clash with the traffic to / from the Bluewater Mall ! So, as this time, based on some personal commuting experience between Colchester & Thurrock, + local knowledge re trips to / from Kent, I'd allow 2 hours from door to door by car! Since it's unlikely that many E*'s will actually call at Stratford &/or Ebbsfleet, I suspect that most of us will continue to drive to Ashford & park there. The M20 is a much quieter & quicker road than the A2, with better access to the M25, & Ashford is an easy hours drive from the Dartford Crossing. DC |
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You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and
Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to hand, I do now - Grays isn't in Essex either. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article , DC
writes Grays is still in Essex! Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority, and so for legal purposes isn't part of Essex any more. [This is an old discussion between Roland and me.] but the Police & Fire Services are still provided via County Hall. They're not done by counties any more - they have a separate precept. We have the same issue up my way. As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their accents / dialects or by where they chose to live! Herr Anderson is clearly Gormless. [Rest snipped. I grew up in Leigh-on-Sea and generally agree.] -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes In article , Roland Perry writes You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and Grays are in Essex ?!?!? Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in the County of Southend-of-Sea. pedant Southend is a Unitary authority, combining the duties of District and County Councils and is therefore not part of the *administrative* county of Essex. However, it still forms part of the *geographical* (now termed "Ceremonial" County of Essex, eg for Sheriff and Lord Lieutenant purposes. But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea. /pedant -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Ian Jelf) wrote: But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea. /pedant That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example, No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex. but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972. There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham. I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of worms. Almost certainly right. -- http://www.election.demon.co.uk "The guilty party was the Liberal Democrats and they were hardened offenders, and coded racism was again in evidence in leaflets distributed in September 1993." - Nigel Copsey, "Contemporary British Fascism", page 62. |
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In article ,
(David Boothroyd) wrote: In article , (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Ian Jelf) wrote: But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea. /pedant That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example, No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex. but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972. There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham. I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of worms. Almost certainly right. You clearly haven't been reading enough Parliamentary Boundary Commission reports David. Otherwise you wouldn't have written that rubbish. But this is the wrong newsgroup to argue the toss about this. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"DC" wrote in message
... The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to get there from the QE2 bridge, one would have to drive down the A2, eastbound. You didn't look at a map before posting that! -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In article , Ian Jelf
writes But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea. Statutory Instrument 1996 No. 1875: 1. This Order may be cited as the Essex (Boroughs of Colchester, Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock and District of Tendring) (Structural, Boundary and Electoral Changes) Order 1996 and shall come into force for the purposes of articles 2(2), 4(1), (3) and (4), 7 to 9 and 11 on the day after the day on which it is made, for the purposes of article 10 on 1st April 1997 and for all other purposes on 1st April 1998. [...] 6.(1) Southend and Thurrock shall cease to form part of Essex. (2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Southend and shall be named the county of Southend-on-Sea. (3) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Thurrock and shall be named the county of Thurrock. (4) Section 2(1) of the 1972 Act (which provides that every county shall have a council) shall not apply in relation to the counties of Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes In article , Ian Jelf writes But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea. Statutory Instrument 1996 No. 1875: 1. This Order may be cited as the Essex (Boroughs of Colchester, Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock and District of Tendring) (Structural, Boundary and Electoral Changes) Order 1996 and shall come into force for the purposes of articles 2(2), 4(1), (3) and (4), 7 to 9 and 11 on the day after the day on which it is made, for the purposes of article 10 on 1st April 1997 and for all other purposes on 1st April 1998. [...] 6.(1) Southend and Thurrock shall cease to form part of Essex. (2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Southend and shall be named the county of Southend-on-Sea. (3) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Thurrock and shall be named the county of Thurrock. Wow. Then I stand corrected. I wonder (perhaps I shouldn't for the purposes of this group!) whether or not my earlier remarks about Southend (and apparently Thurrock) being part of Essex for ceremonial purposes is true? I feel some Googling coming on (although I really ought to be concerning myself with other things this afternoon, specifically Samuel Pepys.......) -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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John Rowland wrote:
"DC" wrote in message ... The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to get there from the QE2 bridge, one would have to drive down the A2, eastbound. You didn't look at a map before posting that! What's wrong with his statement? He's correct; access to Ebbsfleet will be via the A2 and a new spur road which leaves the A2 where the B259 currently crosses it on a bridge. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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