Angus Bryant wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 22 Nov 2004:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really
useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Whatever, it will be EXTREMELY USEFUL, and I do wish it were part of the
first phase, not the second!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 22 November 2004

I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really
useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the brick
viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably go ahead
without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton didn't
jeopardise the rest of the project.

That makes some sense. Once the line is operational through there I suppose
people will be crying out for it enough to make it happen.

Thanks
Angus

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

In article ,
(Aidan Stanger) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would
be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would
probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station
at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

There is certainly some overspeccing but even that doesn't explain how a
station on an existing line can cost £70million.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

(Aidan Stanger) wrote in message ...
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

I posed this same question about the Croxley Watford link. I put it
down to the fact that the Government is now throwing money at public
transport and every body and his dog is after some of the action. If
the contractors know that there is shed loads of money to be thrown at
something then there doesn't seem to be much of a competive drive.
The dome seems to be a classic example.
Kevin

(Kapitan Klink) wrote in message . com...
I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

Yeah I was thinking the other day that this is more logical or is it
something to do with the E* being removed from the line through
Brixton so the ELLE can use the freed up capacity?

"Kapitan Klink" wrote in message
om...

Look at the map on the webpage given.


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...hp?imid=119321

Or if your newsreader wraps lines, try

http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo

Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown
as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies
that the South London Line services will continue (I don't
know of any other NR services which use those stations)

I wouldn't trust that. Those symbols are just telling people that they will
be using the existing NR stations of those name. When they were proposing to
extend the line to Willesden Junction, the map showed a BR symbol at
Primrose Hill!

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 24 Nov 2004:

"Kapitan Klink" wrote in message
. com...

Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown
as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies
that the South London Line services will continue (I don't
know of any other NR services which use those stations)

I wouldn't trust that. Those symbols are just telling people that they will
be using the existing NR stations of those name. When they were proposing to
extend the line to Willesden Junction, the map showed a BR symbol at
Primrose Hill!

All the same, the convenience of a direct rail link from Clapham High
Street to Clapham Junction would not offset the *inconvenience* of not
having one from there to Victoria, so I hope there still will be SLL
services!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 22 November 2004

(Jim Brown) wrote in message . com...
(Kapitan Klink) wrote in message . com...
I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

Yeah I was thinking the other day that this is more logical

(A guess) Imported delays from the ELL would affect more services
maybe? Services on the Peckham Rye - Tulse Hill, Streatham Hill -
Balham, Balham-Victoria (slow lines) axes stood to be disrupted if the
old proposal were adopted.

or is it
something to do with the E* being removed from the line through
Brixton so the ELLE can use the freed up capacity?

The E*star didn't use the SLL tracks anyway, did it?

I used to use East Brixton in the 60s just for fun because it was so
kind of rustic and sleepy perched up as it was on a viaduct. there was
no ticket office; you got a hand written ticket from a guy in a booth
on the platform. "Tulls Hill" was a typical destination.