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According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'"
hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, 16 November : The [first stage of the] £900 million extension of the East London from Hackney to Croydon will be finished within six years, the Mayor announced today. London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the north-south leg of the line, including four new stations, would be ready two years ahead of the 2012 Olympics. An east-west leg, between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction, will be built in a second phase. (See map below). An estimated 50 million passengers will use the completed line. Without the extension, the current line would have carried 11.6 million people by 2011. SNIP On Friday the government transferred responsibility for the project from the Strategic Rail Authority to Transport for London. Work is due to start next year. Phase one will lengthen the current line north to Dalston and south to West Croydon and Crystal Palace. Four new stations will be built in the north: Dalston Junction, Haggerston, Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. (See box for details.) Wapping and Rotherhithe stations will remain open. Their future have been under review due to safety concerns over many more passengers on the line. Extra emergency exits will now be built. Phase two will connect the line westwards to Clapham Junction, with one new station at Surrey Canal Road. A further extension northwards will link Dalston Junction to the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington. After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. London's Transport Commissioner Bob Kiley said: "There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London." 4:33pm today - - -end extract - - Regards, - Alan (in Brussels) |
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"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, 16 November : The [first stage of the] £900 million extension of the East London from Hackney to Croydon will be finished within six years, the Mayor announced today. London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the north-south leg of the line, including four new stations, would be ready two years ahead of the 2012 Olympics. An east-west leg, between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction, will be built in a second phase. (See map below). An estimated 50 million passengers will use the completed line. Without the extension, the current line would have carried 11.6 million people by 2011. SNIP On Friday the government transferred responsibility for the project from the Strategic Rail Authority to Transport for London. Work is due to start next year. Phase one will lengthen the current line north to Dalston and south to West Croydon and Crystal Palace. Four new stations will be built in the north: Dalston Junction, Haggerston, Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. (See box for details.) Wapping and Rotherhithe stations will remain open. Their future have been under review due to safety concerns over many more passengers on the line. Extra emergency exits will now be built. Phase two will connect the line westwards to Clapham Junction, with one new station at Surrey Canal Road. A further extension northwards will link Dalston Junction to the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington. After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. London's Transport Commissioner Bob Kiley said: "There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London." 4:33pm today - - -end extract - - Crossposted to uk.railway newgroup No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! |
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Robin Mayes wrote:
"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, 16 November : The [first stage of the] £900 million extension of the East London from Hackney to Croydon will be finished within six years, the Mayor announced today. London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the north-south leg of the line, including four new stations, would be ready two years ahead of the 2012 Olympics. An east-west leg, between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction, will be built in a second phase. (See map below). An estimated 50 million passengers will use the completed line. Without the extension, the current line would have carried 11.6 million people by 2011. SNIP On Friday the government transferred responsibility for the project from the Strategic Rail Authority to Transport for London. Work is due to start next year. Phase one will lengthen the current line north to Dalston and south to West Croydon and Crystal Palace. Four new stations will be built in the north: Dalston Junction, Haggerston, Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. (See box for details.) Wapping and Rotherhithe stations will remain open. Their future have been under review due to safety concerns over many more passengers on the line. Extra emergency exits will now be built. Phase two will connect the line westwards to Clapham Junction, with one new station at Surrey Canal Road. A further extension northwards will link Dalston Junction to the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington. After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. London's Transport Commissioner Bob Kiley said: "There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London." 4:33pm today - - -end extract - - Crossposted to uk.railway newgroup No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! Is that up for discussion now that TfL are running the project? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, 16 November : The [first stage of the] £900 million extension of the East London from Hackney to Croydon will be finished within six years, the Mayor announced today. London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the north-south leg of the line, including four new stations, would be ready two years ahead of the 2012 Olympics. An east-west leg, between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction, will be built in a second phase. (See map below). An estimated 50 million passengers will use the completed line. Without the extension, the current line would have carried 11.6 million people by 2011. SNIP On Friday the government transferred responsibility for the project from the Strategic Rail Authority to Transport for London. Work is due to start next year. Phase one will lengthen the current line north to Dalston and south to West Croydon and Crystal Palace. Four new stations will be built in the north: Dalston Junction, Haggerston, Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. (See box for details.) Wapping and Rotherhithe stations will remain open. Their future have been under review due to safety concerns over many more passengers on the line. Extra emergency exits will now be built. Phase two will connect the line westwards to Clapham Junction, with one new station at Surrey Canal Road. A further extension northwards will link Dalston Junction to the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington. After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. London's Transport Commissioner Bob Kiley said: "There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London." 4:33pm today - - -end extract - - Crossposted to uk.railway newgroup No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! Is that up for discussion now that TfL are running the project? Does it matter? |
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umpston wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, 16 November : The [first stage of the] £900 million extension of the East London from Hackney to Croydon will be finished within six years, the Mayor announced today. London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the north-south leg of the line, including four new stations, would be ready two years ahead of the 2012 Olympics. An east-west leg, between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction, will be built in a second phase. (See map below). An estimated 50 million passengers will use the completed line. Without the extension, the current line would have carried 11.6 million people by 2011. SNIP On Friday the government transferred responsibility for the project from the Strategic Rail Authority to Transport for London. Work is due to start next year. Phase one will lengthen the current line north to Dalston and south to West Croydon and Crystal Palace. Four new stations will be built in the north: Dalston Junction, Haggerston, Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. (See box for details.) Wapping and Rotherhithe stations will remain open. Their future have been under review due to safety concerns over many more passengers on the line. Extra emergency exits will now be built. Phase two will connect the line westwards to Clapham Junction, with one new station at Surrey Canal Road. A further extension northwards will link Dalston Junction to the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington. After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. London's Transport Commissioner Bob Kiley said: "There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London." 4:33pm today - - -end extract - - Crossposted to uk.railway newgroup No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! Is that up for discussion now that TfL are running the project? Does it matter? I suspect some people would prefer LU to run the services "in-house" rather than a TOC, as LU would probably need less subsidy to do so. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! Is that up for discussion now that TfL are running the project? I understand a small fleet of 30 trains currently in service elsewhere are to be "refurbished" for the service. However given the timescale mentioned they will need to be stored for a while, if the information is true. |
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Jon Porter wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote: Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" hyperlinked from http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/matters today, No announcement on whether a TOC or LUL would run the train service though, I note! Is that up for discussion now that TfL are running the project? I understand a small fleet of 30 trains currently in service elsewhere are to be "refurbished" for the service. However given the timescale mentioned they will need to be stored for a while, if the information is true. Are those LU stock or National Rail stock? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Are those LU stock or National Rail stock? Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
... Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. Not 458s, by any chance? Roger |
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In message , Jack Taylor
writes "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Are those LU stock or National Rail stock? Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. JOPs I presume? God help the residents of East London. -- Spyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
... "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Are those LU stock or National Rail stock? Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. Gives Alstom about five years to sort the 458s out then! -- *** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com |
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Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Jon Porter wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" I saw the article in the Metro. Build a viaduct connecting Shorditch with the old North London at Bishopsgate, reinstate the track up to Dalston Junc, build 4 new stations, hardly a challange to be completed in 7 years time and a mere snip at £900m. Mind you compared to the Dome money bettre spent. How long did it take the Great Central to build the London extention. We seem to have lost the ability to do the simplest tasks in anything less than extortionate lengths of time and expend billions of pounds. Kevin |
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"Kevin" wrote in message om... Dave Arquati wrote in message ... Jon Porter wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: Robin Mayes wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... According to the story "New East London Line 'done by 2010'" I saw the article in the Metro. Build a viaduct connecting Shorditch with the old North London at Bishopsgate, reinstate the track up to Dalston Junc, build 4 new stations, hardly a challange to be completed in 7 years time and a mere snip at £900m. Mind you compared to the Dome money bettre spent. How long did it take the Great Central to build the London extention. We seem to have lost the ability to do the simplest tasks in anything less than extortionate lengths of time and expend billions of pounds. Kevin Yes, it is odd. The more accountants we have, the more things cost and the greateer the cost overun. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Are those LU stock or National Rail stock? Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. According to Clive Feather's web page on the ELL, the existing infrastructure is compatible with 'Networker' EMUs, so these would be an obvious choice - see... http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/eastlondon.html ....though I guess this depends on SET's 465/466 diagrams. Also, will any such NR trains need kitting out with LU trip-cock equipment before they can be used? Presumably, due to the extensive modifications needed to traction supply/signalling on the non-LU sections, there's no 'reciprocal arrangement' with LU stock working some services (in the manner of Queen's Park-Watford Jcn. in years gone by)? David E. Belcher |
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"Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ...
After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it. Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I suppose. B2003 |
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On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote:
"Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ... After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it. Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I suppose. There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ... Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route? Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington would be hugely useful. tom -- .... to build a space elevator, that's got to be hundreds of thousands of pounds ... -- Mike Froggatt |
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"Roger H. Bennett" wrote in message ...
"Jack Taylor" wrote in message ... Porterbrook Leasing Company, coming off lease from the beginning of next year with a TOC south of the river. Not 458s, by any chance? Funny, IIRC that was what RossRail was going to use. Has Anzir joined TfL ? Andy E. |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote: "Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ... After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it. Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I suppose. There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ... Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route? Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington would be hugely useful. The ELLX will be going to Canonbury, Highbury & Islington and Caledonian Road & Barnsbury (where turnback sidings can be added) in Phase 2, which the Mayor believes can be funded if, after 2009, the government continues giving TfL the same amount each year that they are getting for the five-year investment programme. Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Tim Christian" wrote in message ...
"Kevin" wrote in message om... I saw the article in the Metro. Build a viaduct connecting Shorditch with the old North London at Bishopsgate, reinstate the track up to Dalston Junc, build 4 new stations, hardly a challange to be completed in 7 years time and a mere snip at £900m. Mind you compared to the Dome money bettre spent. How long did it take the Great Central to build the London extention. We seem to have lost the ability to do the simplest tasks in anything less than extortionate lengths of time and expend billions of pounds. Kevin Yes, it is odd. The more accountants we have, the more things cost and the greateer the cost overun. I was thinking, they have just had the 10th anniversary of the start of Eurostar. Eurostar started the year after the shuttle so channel tunnel trains started 1993. I think that the channel tunnel construction started in 1986. So in the same time that 2 running tunnels and a service tunnel 30 miles long, 2 terminals (one bigger than Heathrow Airport)were built they are going to build one viaduct, 4 stations and lay some track. Just think, if we had had this lot building the railways in the 1800's we would still be waiting for the completion on the London and Birmingham and the London to Bristol railways. Kevin |
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Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. Lose what services? Look at the map on the webpage given. http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...hp?imid=119321 Or if your newsreader wraps lines, try http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) What route will the trains take to get from the SLL to clapham Jn? |
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In article ,
Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote: "Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ... After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it. Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I suppose. There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ... Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route? Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington would be hugely useful. The ELLX will be going to Canonbury, Highbury & Islington and Caledonian Road & Barnsbury (where turnback sidings can be added) in Phase 2, which the Mayor believes can be funded if, after 2009, the government continues giving TfL the same amount each year that they are getting for the five-year investment programme. Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. I thought the TfL grand plan for Phase 2 was a circular service using SLL, ELL, NLL and WLL giving Clapham Jc-Surrey Quays-Dalston-Willesden HL-Clapham Jc and vice versa. David |
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Kapitan Klink wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ... Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. Lose what services? Look at the map on the webpage given. http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...hp?imid=119321 Or if your newsreader wraps lines, try http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) What route will the trains take to get from the SLL to clapham Jn? I wonder if they plan to stop other NR services at Wandsworth Rd and Clapham High St to substitute for the lost SLL services (I read that someone mentioned replacing SLL services in phase 2 - but I can't remember where!). From the SLL to Clapham Junction, they'd use the curve that already exists from Wandsworth Road, arriving into the platform where Silverlink's West London Line trains currently terminate. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Kapitan Klink wrote: Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. Lose what services? Look at the map on the webpage given. http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) What route will the trains take to get from the SLL to clapham Jn? I wonder if they plan to stop other NR services at Wandsworth Rd and Clapham High St to substitute for the lost SLL services (I read that someone mentioned replacing SLL services in phase 2 - but I can't remember where!). Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Angus |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Kapitan Klink wrote: SNIPPED What route will the trains take to get from the SLL to clapham Jn? I wonder if they plan to stop other NR services at Wandsworth Rd and Clapham High St to substitute for the lost SLL services (I read that someone mentioned replacing SLL services in phase 2 - but I can't remember where!). From the SLL to Clapham Junction, they'd use the curve that already exists from Wandsworth Road, arriving into the platform where Silverlink's West London Line trains currently terminate. Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 Would that be why the Watford-Brighton service, which also uses platform 16 (?), is being dropped ? Cheerz, Baz |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
Would that be why the Watford-Brighton service, which also uses platform 16 (?), is being dropped ? Eh? Silverlink's West London Line trains currently terminate in platform 2, right the other end of the station. The plan is to relay the track in platform 1 and use that too. Marratxi is referring to the Southern service that uses Platform 16 which is being cut back/or axed, I'm not totally sure which. -- Darren |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... From the SLL to Clapham Junction, they'd use the curve that already exists from Wandsworth Road, arriving into the platform where Silverlink's West London Line trains currently terminate. aka the Ludgate lines |
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Angus Bryant wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Kapitan Klink wrote: Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. Lose what services? Look at the map on the webpage given. http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) What route will the trains take to get from the SLL to clapham Jn? I wonder if they plan to stop other NR services at Wandsworth Rd and Clapham High St to substitute for the lost SLL services (I read that someone mentioned replacing SLL services in phase 2 - but I can't remember where!). Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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gwr4090 wrote:
In article , Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote: "Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ... After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon. When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central station. Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it. Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I suppose. There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ... Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route? Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington would be hugely useful. The ELLX will be going to Canonbury, Highbury & Islington and Caledonian Road & Barnsbury (where turnback sidings can be added) in Phase 2, which the Mayor believes can be funded if, after 2009, the government continues giving TfL the same amount each year that they are getting for the five-year investment programme. Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative services to the ones they would lose. I thought the TfL grand plan for Phase 2 was a circular service using SLL, ELL, NLL and WLL giving Clapham Jc-Surrey Quays-Dalston-Willesden HL-Clapham Jc and vice versa. Not the plan for Phase 2 - call that Phase 3 (or Orbirail). Phase 2 would have Caledonian Road & Barnsbury round to Clapham Junction via Surrey Quays, with cross-platform interchanges at Clapham Junction to the WLL, at Caledonian Road to the NLL, and between the appropriate NLL and WLL services at Willesden Junction. Orbirail would be the continuation of this by running WLL services from Clapham Junction right through via Highbury and Surrey Quays back to Clapham Junction (where they would have to reverse). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Angus Bryant wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 22 Nov 2004:
Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Whatever, it will be EXTREMELY USEFUL, and I do wish it were part of the first phase, not the second! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 22 November 2004 |
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I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill (IIRC). |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project. That makes some sense. Once the line is operational through there I suppose people will be crying out for it enough to make it happen. Thanks Angus |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote: Angus Bryant wrote: Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project. £70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad. You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out. Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question should bring the solution a lot closer. |
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(Aidan Stanger) wrote in message ...
Colin Rosenstiel wrote: (Dave Arquati) wrote: Angus Bryant wrote: Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service. Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project. £70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad. You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out. Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question should bring the solution a lot closer. I posed this same question about the Croxley Watford link. I put it down to the fact that the Government is now throwing money at public transport and every body and his dog is after some of the action. If the contractors know that there is shed loads of money to be thrown at something then there doesn't seem to be much of a competive drive. The dome seems to be a classic example. Kevin |
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"Kapitan Klink" wrote in message
om... Look at the map on the webpage given. http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...hp?imid=119321 Or if your newsreader wraps lines, try http://tinyurl.com/5cgdo Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) I wouldn't trust that. Those symbols are just telling people that they will be using the existing NR stations of those name. When they were proposing to extend the line to Willesden Junction, the map showed a BR symbol at Primrose Hill! -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 24 Nov 2004:
"Kapitan Klink" wrote in message . com... Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are shown as National Rail interchange stations, which sorta implies that the South London Line services will continue (I don't know of any other NR services which use those stations) I wouldn't trust that. Those symbols are just telling people that they will be using the existing NR stations of those name. When they were proposing to extend the line to Willesden Junction, the map showed a BR symbol at Primrose Hill! All the same, the convenience of a direct rail link from Clapham High Street to Clapham Junction would not offset the *inconvenience* of not having one from there to Victoria, so I hope there still will be SLL services! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 22 November 2004 |
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(Jim Brown) wrote in message . com...
(Kapitan Klink) wrote in message . com... I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill (IIRC). Yeah I was thinking the other day that this is more logical (A guess) Imported delays from the ELL would affect more services maybe? Services on the Peckham Rye - Tulse Hill, Streatham Hill - Balham, Balham-Victoria (slow lines) axes stood to be disrupted if the old proposal were adopted. or is it something to do with the E* being removed from the line through Brixton so the ELLE can use the freed up capacity? The E*star didn't use the SLL tracks anyway, did it? I used to use East Brixton in the 60s just for fun because it was so kind of rustic and sleepy perched up as it was on a viaduct. there was no ticket office; you got a hand written ticket from a guy in a booth on the platform. "Tulls Hill" was a typical destination. |
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