Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/gallery...asp?L=30&SL=43

Examination of the second plan on that page (very large file which seems
to have the wrong headers so may need downloading/renaming as a JPEG)
shows Northfleet as a tiny structure, dwarfed in comparison to the vast
Dartford International site with its 6 car parks.

However, Northfleet is reasonably close to Ebbsfleet (or at least Car
Park A) and I wonder why no pedestrian link is being put in. People from
Dartford might actually want to reach their International station
without getting in the car. Plus, since this massive development is on
Northfleet's doorstep, I would hope that some reasonable pedestrian
access will be built. After all, this is the centre of the new Kent
Thameside development with an extra 3000 homes and 790,000m² of
commercial space apparently...

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/gallery...asp?L=30&SL=43

Examination of the second plan on that page (very large file which seems
to have the wrong headers so may need downloading/renaming as a JPEG)
shows Northfleet as a tiny structure, dwarfed in comparison to the vast
Dartford International site with its 6 car parks.

However, Northfleet is reasonably close to Ebbsfleet (or at least Car Park
A) and I wonder why no pedestrian link is being put in. People from
Dartford might actually want to reach their International station without
getting in the car. Plus, since this massive development is on
Northfleet's doorstep, I would hope that some reasonable pedestrian access
will be built. After all, this is the centre of the new Kent Thameside
development with an extra 3000 homes and 790,000m² of commercial space
apparently...

It does seem like a wasted opportunity having Northfleet just a little too
far away for an easy interchange, and having the link to the North Kent line
towards the east to reach Gravesend. Indeed, what are you supposed to do if
you live near the existing Dartford station? Get a train to Gravesend, then
change for a train to Dartford Int'l? No-one will do that, they'll just get
a taxi. Same for people in neighbouring Bexley borough to the west - easy
reach of Dartford and North Kent line from existing stations, but looks like
there'll be no easy reach of Dartford Int'l = everyone in Bexley and west
Dartford will be taking car/taxi/bus when they *should* be able to go by
rail!

Early on, I was hoping they'd extend the Dartford line services from London
to Dartford Int'l by default, but that now looks unlikely, particularly
given the suggested link to the North Kent line which permits access from
the east only. Shame the new station isn't being built slightly further
north to incorporate Northfleet within its boundary (no, that would be just
too convenient...)

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"Rich Mallard" wrote in message
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/gallery...asp?L=30&SL=43

Examination of the second plan on that page (very large file which
seems to have the wrong headers so may need downloading/renaming as
a JPEG) shows Northfleet as a tiny structure, dwarfed in comparison
to the vast Dartford International site with its 6 car parks.

However, Northfleet is reasonably close to Ebbsfleet (or at least
Car Park A) and I wonder why no pedestrian link is being put in.
People from Dartford might actually want to reach their
International station without getting in the car. Plus, since this
massive development is on Northfleet's doorstep, I would hope that
some reasonable pedestrian access will be built. After all, this is
the centre of the new Kent Thameside development with an extra 3000
homes and 790,000m² of commercial space apparently...

It does seem like a wasted opportunity having Northfleet just a
little too far away for an easy interchange, and having the link to
the North Kent line towards the east to reach Gravesend. Indeed,
what are you supposed to do if you live near the existing Dartford
station? Get a train to Gravesend, then change for a train to
Dartford Int'l? No-one will do that, they'll just get a taxi. Same
for people in neighbouring Bexley borough to the west - easy reach
of Dartford and North Kent line from existing stations, but looks
like there'll be no easy reach of Dartford Int'l = everyone in
Bexley and west Dartford will be taking car/taxi/bus when they
*should* be able to go by rail!


I'm sure Arriva or some other operator will cotton on to the idea of
running a bus link between existing stations and the new international
station to give fairly easy transfers between them.

Early on, I was hoping they'd extend the Dartford line services from
London to Dartford Int'l by default, but that now looks unlikely,
particularly given the suggested link to the North Kent line which
permits access from the east only. Shame the new station isn't
being built slightly further north to incorporate Northfleet within
its boundary (no, that would be just too convenient...)

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

Same for people in neighbouring Bexley borough to the west - easy
reach of Dartford and North Kent line from existing stations, but looks
like
there'll be no easy reach of Dartford Int'l = everyone in Bexley and west
Dartford will be taking car/taxi/bus when they *should* be able to go by
rail!

As someone who lives in Slade Green it would seem sensible to have a direct
connection from Dartford to Ebbsfleet by rail.

Early on, I was hoping they'd extend the Dartford line services from
London
to Dartford Int'l by default, but that now looks unlikely, particularly
given the suggested link to the North Kent line which permits access from
the east only.

Yep, it does seem a good idea.
Hopefully if they ever build Crossrail we might get a link from Dartford to
Ebbsfleet.

Keith Spink
InfoTransport (http://www.infotransport.co.uk)
Transport Images (http://www.transportimages.com/)

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"Keith Spink" wrote in message
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As someone who lives in Slade Green it would seem sensible to have a
direct
connection from Dartford to Ebbsfleet by rail.

Hopefully if they ever build Crossrail we might get a link from Dartford
to
Ebbsfleet.

AIUI Crossrail intend to call their terminus Ebbsfleet Crossrail. The bad
news is that the likely location is adjacent to Northfleet station, rather
than adjacent to Ebbsfleet aka Dartford International.
Peter

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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"Keith Spink" wrote in message
...

As someone who lives in Slade Green it would seem sensible to have a
direct
connection from Dartford to Ebbsfleet by rail.

Hopefully if they ever build Crossrail we might get a link from Dartford
to
Ebbsfleet.

I wonder how much new rail developments in and about Ebbsfleet depend on
wheter or not the 2012 Olympic bid is successful or not. My view is that if
the bid fails (and I hope it does) then all these grandiose rail schemes
will disappear into the wood work. At least we won't be saddled with the
enormous debts suffered by former successful bidders.
MJW
AIUI Crossrail intend to call their terminus Ebbsfleet Crossrail. The bad
news is that the likely location is adjacent to Northfleet station, rather
than adjacent to Ebbsfleet aka Dartford International.
Peter

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

Hopefully if they ever build Crossrail we might get a link from Dartford
to
Ebbsfleet.

AIUI Crossrail intend to call their terminus Ebbsfleet Crossrail. The bad
news is that the likely location is adjacent to Northfleet station, rather
than adjacent to Ebbsfleet aka Dartford International.
Peter

I didn't realise that. What happened to the idea of integrated transport?
(joke ofcourse).

Keith Spink
InfoTransport (http://www.infotransport.co.uk)
Transport Images (http://www.transportimages.com/)

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"M.Whitson" wrote:

I wonder how much new rail developments in and about Ebbsfleet depend on
wheter or not the 2012 Olympic bid is successful or not. My view is that if
the bid fails (and I hope it does) then all these grandiose rail schemes
will disappear into the wood work. At least we won't be saddled with the
enormous debts suffered by former successful bidders.


But Lord Coe has stated that the London Olympics will generate £100M
profits and will be debt free.

Don't you believe him?

;-)

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

TP writes


But Lord Coe has stated that the London Olympics will generate £100M
profits and will be debt free.

Don't you believe him?

;-)

Didn't a certain female believe him until er
but about the Olympics i have had a shuffty at the Indies slant on the
thing
what a bummer beach volley ball on horse guard's parade.

The ticket prices quoted £30 approx
The traffic for the athletes will move at a higher speed as their
transport will be prioritised at the traffic lights and others will be
kept out

Ebbsfleet vs Northfleet
 

"Keith Spink" wrote in message
...
Hopefully if they ever build Crossrail we might get a link from
Dartford
to
Ebbsfleet.

AIUI Crossrail intend to call their terminus Ebbsfleet Crossrail. The
bad
news is that the likely location is adjacent to Northfleet station,
rather
than adjacent to Ebbsfleet aka Dartford International.
Peter

I didn't realise that. What happened to the idea of integrated transport?
(joke ofcourse).

One of the worst aspects of the point you make is the outpourings from the
E* front man who foresees E* passengers driving round the M25 in large
numbers to gain access to the 9,000 car park spaces so thoughtfully to be
provided at Ebbsfleet. I understand the KCC have expressed concern about
this influx but then they are a load of antediluvian fuddy duddies. I wonder
what microcephalic Prescott thinks of this. Perhaps he and his chums in
government have forgotten or had banned the word "integrated". Can someone
on the inside enlighten us?
MJW