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Dear fountains of all knowledge,
Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge Thameslink
trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what platform trains
to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the reverse direction
would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum change there on
Saturday, and she suffers from MS so I'd like to know whether it would
(luckily) be an easy cross-platform change, or whether we'd be trekking
from one side of the station to the other.

To give an overall picture, the whole journey would be for me & mum to
travel from Wycombe to Canterbury, meeting a friend coming from Luton. I
ruled out the Tube for a cross-London transfer as the walk either down
to the Bakerloo at Marylebone or to Baker St is a pain in the
proverbial, as is the walk up from the Victoria line at Victoria or the
Bakerloo at Charing Cross.

One thought would be to do the 453 from Marylebone to Cockspur St or the
first stop on Whitehall, to get to Charing Cross and meet our friend
there, but I'm not keen on our chances on a bendy bus in the reverse
direction (calling Helen for advice!).

My other thought is the 205 (also right outside Marylebone) to right
outside King's Cross Thameslink, meeting our friend and continuing from
there, changing at London Bridge.

Any thoughts/advice are welcome.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Ease of change at London Bridge
 

Dave Arquati wrote:
Dear fountains of all knowledge,
Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge Thameslink
trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what platform trains
to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the reverse direction
would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum change there on
Saturday, and she suffers from MS so I'd like to know whether it would
(luckily) be an easy cross-platform change, or whether we'd be trekking
from one side of the station to the other.

To give an overall picture, the whole journey would be for me & mum to
travel from Wycombe to Canterbury, meeting a friend coming from Luton. I
ruled out the Tube for a cross-London transfer as the walk either down
to the Bakerloo at Marylebone or to Baker St is a pain in the
proverbial, as is the walk up from the Victoria line at Victoria or the
Bakerloo at Charing Cross.

One thought would be to do the 453 from Marylebone to Cockspur St or the
first stop on Whitehall, to get to Charing Cross and meet our friend
there, but I'm not keen on our chances on a bendy bus in the reverse
direction (calling Helen for advice!).

My other thought is the 205 (also right outside Marylebone) to right
outside King's Cross Thameslink, meeting our friend and continuing from
there, changing at London Bridge.

Any thoughts/advice are welcome.


Southbound Thameslink trains nearly always arrive/depart from Platform 5
unless there's a problem on the platform.

I'm also pretty sure that the Canterbury services also use Platform 5.
It's either 5 or 4.

When you get onto the platform off the train, don't go down the ramp but
instead run up the stairs to the footbridge about halfway along the
platform - there's an indicator there which says when the next train to
all destinations will be and what platform it'll be on (I'd suggest
leaving your mum on the platform though cos I'm almost 100% sure it will
be on platform 5).

The reverse trips should both arrive/depart from platform 6.

Ease of change at London Bridge
 

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Dear fountains of all knowledge,
Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge Thameslink
trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what platform trains
to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the reverse direction
would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum change there on
Saturday, and she suffers from MS so I'd like to know whether it would
(luckily) be an easy cross-platform change, or whether we'd be trekking
from one side of the station to the other.

Thameslink trains use the down fast platform (5) and the up fast platform
(6). Departure platforms will depend upon the origin of the train: fast
services from Charing Cross use platform 5 (stopping services use 4), whilst
services from Cannon Street use platform 1 (or 2 in the rush hour). Coming
back, Charing Cross services use platform 6 (the same island that the
Thameslink services leave from) whilst Cannon Street services arrive at
platform 2 (or 3 during the rush hour). Inter-platform transfer is either
via a footbridge mid-platform or via a ramped subway at the London end.
South Eastern platforms are arranged in three islands, 1/2, 3/4 and 5/6.

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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Dear fountains of all knowledge,
SNIPPED A LOT

My other thought is the 205 (also right outside Marylebone) to right
outside King's Cross Thameslink, meeting our friend and continuing from
there, changing at London Bridge.
Any thoughts/advice are welcome.
Dave Arquati

Words of warning - the bus stop for the 205, which used to be almost
directly opposite the KXTL station, has been moved about 100 yards up the
hill on Pentonville Road. The stop for buses going towards Marylebone is
still just outside the station entrance.
Good luck,
Baz

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Marratxi wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Dear fountains of all knowledge,

SNIPPED A LOT

My other thought is the 205 (also right outside Marylebone) to right
outside King's Cross Thameslink, meeting our friend and continuing from
there, changing at London Bridge.
Any thoughts/advice are welcome.
Dave Arquati


Words of warning - the bus stop for the 205, which used to be almost
directly opposite the KXTL station, has been moved about 100 yards up the
hill on Pentonville Road. The stop for buses going towards Marylebone is
still just outside the station entrance.
Good luck,
Baz

Thanks for the warning - they haven't updated the spider map for King's
Cross but they have the current stop location on the Journey Planner
auto-generated maps. It's annoying, but at least it's a downhill walk to
the station, and a shorter walk than from the 453 stops at Trafalgar
Square, I reckon.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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In ,
Dave Arquati typed:

Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge
Thameslink trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what
platform trains to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the
reverse direction would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum
change there on Saturday, and she suffers from MS so I'd like to know
whether it would (luckily) be an easy cross-platform change, or
whether we'd be trekking from one side of the station to the other.

There are no trains from London Bridge to Canterbury East. Trains from
Charing Cross to Ramsgate, which stop at Canterbury West, run straight
through London Bridge without stopping for the greater part of the day.

Thameslink trains from the north use Platform 5 at London Bridge. Take a
Hastings train from the same platform (or sometimes Platform 4) to
Tonbridge, where you can change to a train for Canterbury West (same
platform at Tonbridge).



Bob

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In ,
Huge typed:
"Bob Wood" writes:

Thameslink trains from the north use Platform 5 at London Bridge.

"The north" prsently being Kings X Thameslink.


North of the river innit

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:55:04 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge Thameslink
trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what platform trains
to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the reverse direction
would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum change there on
Saturday, and she suffers from MS

Anything of assisance at http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/disabled.htm
? Sorry - don't have time to drill into it myself.


Cheers,

Jason.

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Jason wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:55:04 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Does anyone have any ideas of what platform at London Bridge Thameslink
trains from King's Cross generally arrive at, and what platform trains
to Canterbury East depart from? Information on the reverse direction
would be appreciated too. I may be helping my mum change there on
Saturday, and she suffers from MS


Anything of assisance at http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/disabled.htm
? Sorry - don't have time to drill into it myself.


Cheers,

Jason.

Thanks to all who replied. The non-stopping of trains from London Bridge
to Canterbury West is rather annoying; we'd rather not attempt a journey
with yet another change, so it may just be easier to go to Charing Cross.

The reduced-mobility map on the National Rail site isn't very helpful
unfortunately. For a start, the South East map which shows step-free
access to platforms doesn't even have a key - you have to work out
whether black dot or white dot means step-free.

I do get concerned by way transport organisations are associating
"step-free" with ease of access for those of "reduced mobility".
Step-free can include very long walks - just look at the step-free
interchange between lines at Green Park for an example.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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In message , Dave Arquati
writes
I do get concerned by way transport organisations are associating "step-
free" with ease of access for those of "reduced mobility". Step-free can
include very long walks - just look at the step-free interchange between
lines at Green Park for an example.

That is symptomatic of a general tendency to regard "disabled" and
"wheelchair bound" as the same thing. As you correctly point out, they
are not.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:01:31 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote:

In message , Dave Arquati
writes
I do get concerned by way transport organisations are associating "step-
free" with ease of access for those of "reduced mobility". Step-free can
include very long walks - just look at the step-free interchange between
lines at Green Park for an example.

That is symptomatic of a general tendency to regard "disabled" and
"wheelchair bound" as the same thing. As you correctly point out, they
are not.

I know this group has been here before, but 'wheelchair bound' is a
term that is inaccurate and unhelpful (I bathe in a bath, I sleep in a
bed) and am not bound to a wheelchair with chains, silken cords or
rope. Neither am I 'confined to a wheelchair' as I drive a car. Only
8% of disabled people are wheelchair users, 92% are not. A proportion
of that majority have limited mobility and would be defeated at Green
Park!

A better (and more accurate) term is wheelchair-user, and for the
pedants, they can talk of full-time wheelchair users or occasional
wheelchair users. The latter group can generally climb a few steps and
walk a limited distance.

Paul

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In message , Paul
writes
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:01:31 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote:

In message , Dave Arquati
writes
I do get concerned by way transport organisations are associating "step-
free" with ease of access for those of "reduced mobility". Step-free can
include very long walks - just look at the step-free interchange between
lines at Green Park for an example.

That is symptomatic of a general tendency to regard "disabled" and
"wheelchair bound" as the same thing. As you correctly point out, they
are not.

I know this group has been here before, but 'wheelchair bound' is a
term that is inaccurate and unhelpful
If I caused offence by using it there, please rest assured that I did
not mean to do so.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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In article , Stevie writes
Southbound Thameslink trains nearly always arrive/depart from Platform
5 unless there's a problem on the platform.

I'm also pretty sure that the Canterbury services also use Platform 5.
It's either 5 or 4.

The lines from Charing Cross only connect to platforms 4, 5, and 6.
The lines from Cannon Street only connect to platforms 1, 2, and 3.

I can't remember off the top of my head which platforms are
bi-directional, but when you combine the directions with the above,
there's very little opportunity for variation.

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Ease of change at London Bridge
 

Platforms 2 - 5 at London Bridge are Bi-directional, Platform 6 has
turnback facilities.

Southbound Thameslinks are booked to use Platform 5 but can use
Platform 4.

All other southbound trains will use either Platforms 1 -3 from Cannon
Street or Platforms 4 & 5 from Charing Cross.

Likewise Nortbound Thameslinks use Platform 6, but can use Platforms 4
& 5 too. As can all Northbound Charing Cross trains.

Cannon Street bound trains can only use Platforms 2 & 3

If platform 4 or 5 are used in the up/northbound direction it causes
conflict with down/southbound service to the London end of the
station.

Hope this helps, any more info, gladly help.

Christine



On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:08:25 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Stevie writes
Southbound Thameslink trains nearly always arrive/depart from Platform
5 unless there's a problem on the platform.

I'm also pretty sure that the Canterbury services also use Platform 5.
It's either 5 or 4.

The lines from Charing Cross only connect to platforms 4, 5, and 6.
The lines from Cannon Street only connect to platforms 1, 2, and 3.

I can't remember off the top of my head which platforms are
bi-directional, but when you combine the directions with the above,
there's very little opportunity for variation.


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