Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for 37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone, London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.

London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement, which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.

Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

"Londoners will want to know what role Ken Livingstone played in this
mind-blowing agreement. The role of mayor is to put Londoners'
interests first. He has absolutely failed in this case."

Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary who was appointed for a period to
the TfL board, hailed the agreement enthusiastically. "Once again our
members' solidarity has brought results, and we have hammered out a
deal that sets the standard for the industry," he said.

Bobby Law, the union's regional organiser, defended the two-year
package. "This gives our members more quality time away from a very
stressful job. Tube staff work long shifts in difficult conditions
keeping an underfunded and fragmented system moving," he said.

"With abuse and assaults rising at an alarming rate, our members had
demanded better terms on working hours."

A spokesman for London Underground maintained that the arrangements
would be "self-financing" because the union had agreed that employees
could be deployed "more efficiently". It would allow Tubes to run
through the night on New Year's Eve and lead to later close-downs on
Friday and Saturday nights.

Pay and conditions on the Underground are becoming the most favourable
in the public sector. Tube drivers earn about £35,000 a year, but
manage with just 43 days off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ or http://tinyurl.com/52a9s

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for 37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone, London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.


Just brilliant! The RMT and TSSA get "a good" agreement with SouthEastern
and then LU comes and trumps it.


London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement, which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.


That's a bit rich. I wonder how many days a year they don't work including
"rest days" and "working" from home. I wonder what salary they get.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

That's ********.

How does time that is owed because i has already been worked count as
holiday? It's just working unpaid overtime and getting time off in lieu.

Roger


In article ,
(Jason) wrote:

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for 37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone, London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.

London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement, which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.

Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

"Londoners will want to know what role Ken Livingstone played in this
mind-blowing agreement. The role of mayor is to put Londoners'
interests first. He has absolutely failed in this case."

Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary who was appointed for a period to
the TfL board, hailed the agreement enthusiastically. "Once again our
members' solidarity has brought results, and we have hammered out a
deal that sets the standard for the industry," he said.

Bobby Law, the union's regional organiser, defended the two-year
package. "This gives our members more quality time away from a very
stressful job. Tube staff work long shifts in difficult conditions
keeping an underfunded and fragmented system moving," he said.

"With abuse and assaults rising at an alarming rate, our members had
demanded better terms on working hours."

A spokesman for London Underground maintained that the arrangements
would be "self-financing" because the union had agreed that employees
could be deployed "more efficiently". It would allow Tubes to run
through the night on New Year's Eve and lead to later close-downs on
Friday and Saturday nights.

Pay and conditions on the Underground are becoming the most favourable
in the public sector. Tube drivers earn about £35,000 a year, but
manage with just 43 days off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ or http://tinyurl.com/52a9s

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Wow...so good he said it twice!

Mal

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for 37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone, London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.

London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement, which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.

Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

"Londoners will want to know what role Ken Livingstone played in this
mind-blowing agreement. The role of mayor is to put Londoners'
interests first. He has absolutely failed in this case."

Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary who was appointed for a period to
the TfL board, hailed the agreement enthusiastically. "Once again our
members' solidarity has brought results, and we have hammered out a
deal that sets the standard for the industry," he said.

Bobby Law, the union's regional organiser, defended the two-year
package. "This gives our members more quality time away from a very
stressful job. Tube staff work long shifts in difficult conditions
keeping an underfunded and fragmented system moving," he said.

"With abuse and assaults rising at an alarming rate, our members had
demanded better terms on working hours."

A spokesman for London Underground maintained that the arrangements
would be "self-financing" because the union had agreed that employees
could be deployed "more efficiently". It would allow Tubes to run
through the night on New Year's Eve and lead to later close-downs on
Friday and Saturday nights.

Pay and conditions on the Underground are becoming the most favourable
in the public sector. Tube drivers earn about £35,000 a year, but
manage with just 43 days off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ or http://tinyurl.com/52a9s

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

wrote in message
...
That's ********.

How does time that is owed because i has already been worked count
as
holiday? It's just working unpaid overtime and getting time off in
lieu.


Of course its not actual holidy, but it makes for a much more
sensationalist headline if you call it holiday.
A headline saying they'd got 29 days holiday + bank hols + time off in
lieu would be far to near the truth.

Roger


In article ,
(Jason) wrote:

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a
year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour
working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for
37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone,
London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would
mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the
year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.

London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement,
which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.

Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer
is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

"Londoners will want to know what role Ken Livingstone played in
this
mind-blowing agreement. The role of mayor is to put Londoners'
interests first. He has absolutely failed in this case."

Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary who was appointed for a period
to
the TfL board, hailed the agreement enthusiastically. "Once again
our
members' solidarity has brought results, and we have hammered out a
deal that sets the standard for the industry," he said.

Bobby Law, the union's regional organiser, defended the two-year
package. "This gives our members more quality time away from a very
stressful job. Tube staff work long shifts in difficult conditions
keeping an underfunded and fragmented system moving," he said.

"With abuse and assaults rising at an alarming rate, our members
had
demanded better terms on working hours."

A spokesman for London Underground maintained that the arrangements
would be "self-financing" because the union had agreed that
employees
could be deployed "more efficiently". It would allow Tubes to run
through the night on New Year's Eve and lead to later close-downs
on
Friday and Saturday nights.

Pay and conditions on the Underground are becoming the most
favourable
in the public sector. Tube drivers earn about £35,000 a year, but
manage with just 43 days off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ or http://tinyurl.com/52a9s

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Matt Wheeler" wrote in message ...
wrote in message
...
That's ********.

How does time that is owed because i has already been worked count
as
holiday? It's just working unpaid overtime and getting time off in
lieu.


Of course its not actual holidy, but it makes for a much more
sensationalist headline if you call it holiday.
A headline saying they'd got 29 days holiday + bank hols + time off in
lieu would be far to near the truth.

They should either have said 37.5hr week and 52 days holiday or 35hr
week and 29 days (or however many it is)

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:49:27 +0000, Jason
wrote:

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday

By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2004)

Station staff on the London Underground will have 52 days off a year,
excluding weekends, under an agreement struck yesterday.

Transport for London, which runs the Tube, said a new 35-hour working
week had been negotiated under which staff would be on duty for 37.5
hours, and then "roll up" the extra two and a half hours into
additional rest days.

Then it's not "holidays," it's time off in lieu of hours worked, but
within a formal limited structure. Plenty of office workers on
flexitime can accrue far more time and thus take far more days off.

The 7,000 station staff would gain nine further rest days to add to
their previous six, plus 29 days' annual leave and eight bank
holidays, giving an overall entitlement of 52 days or 10 and a half
working weeks.

I've seen people on flexitime use it to gain double that as extra days
off.

The RMT union, which has strongly supported Ken Livingstone, London's
mayor and the TfL chairman, said the "ground breaking" deal would mean
that with weekends included, staff would have 43 per cent of the year
off work. Station assistants typically earn £20,000 a year, with
supervisors on £35,000.

It's only 43% is you include weekends! Someone working 9-5 with 25
days leave on paper gets a total of 137 days off work - 35& of the
year. Putting in place a formal structure for another 6% as time off
in lieu of hours worked isn't such a huge difference.

London Assembly Conservatives expressed fury at the settlement, which
follows threats of strikes from the union. A one-day stoppage took
place in the summer after negotiations ground to a halt.

Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

Why is it an "insult"? It's not extra holidays - it's days off on
account of extra hours worked!

[snip rest of ****-stirring ********]
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:49:27 +0000, Jason
wrote:


Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

Why is it an "insult"? It's not extra holidays - it's days off on
account of extra hours worked!


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the extra hours
I work, and I would imagine the millions of people working for the many
companies in many industries that don't leech of public money, and don't
have a corrupt union propping them up might feel similarly about the
situation.

BTN

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:11:11 GMT, "Malcolm & Nika"
wrote:

Wow...so good he said it twice!

Obviously your news server didn't pick up the cancellation of one of
the posts.

As a fellow NTL user (not where my post was from!) I wouldn't expect
anything more!


Cheers,

Jason.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

--- Sir Benjamin Nunn said...


"Nick Cooper" wrote in

Why is it an "insult"? It's not extra holidays - it's days off on
account of extra hours worked!


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work

Then why don't you join a strong union that's prepared to fight to get
you something like that? Maybe even become a shop steward and organise
that industrial action yourself? If you don't, you've only got yourself
to blame.

and I would imagine the millions of people working for the many
companies in many industries that don't leech of public money, and
don't have a corrupt union propping them up might feel similarly
about the situation.

Corrupt? You're saying a union doing what unions are *supposed* to do
counts as corrupt?

Now, if the union was collecting membership fees, putting them straight
into the pockets of its executives, and doing *nothing* for its members
in return, then *that* would be corrupt.

But a union that's prepared to actually get out there and fight for its
members, surely that's the exact opposite of corruption.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote:
"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:49:27 +0000, Jason
wrote:


Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer
is to ban strikes on the Underground.

Why is it an "insult"? It's not extra holidays - it's days off on
account of extra hours worked!


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?

Underground staff do and the extra 2.5 hours per week are rolled up into
additional rest days. Bear in mind also that they work on any of the seven
days according to their roster.

Try establishing some facts before getting on your high horse and deciding
to feel "insulted" b ecause other people are "insulted" by the exhorbitant
amounts paid to some other people who produce absolutely nothing useful for
society.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically had
to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week, and I
get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no overtime
or time off over and above that.

And compared to some people I know I have it pretty easy.

But very few companies functioning within the constraints of real world
economics could afford their staff the joyride that LU staff seem to benefit
from.

BTN

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Oh dear...you have a problem. And you signed this piece of paper about
hours.
That was silly want it?
Join the tube if ou feel its such a good lurk....always looking for good
people to be CSAs. Or would that be a little too much work for you?

Malcolm


"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically had
to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week, and I
get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no
overtime or time off over and above that.

And compared to some people I know I have it pretty easy.

But very few companies functioning within the constraints of real world
economics could afford their staff the joyride that LU staff seem to
benefit from.

BTN

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically had
to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week, and I
get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no
overtime or time off over and above that.

And compared to some people I know I have it pretty easy.

But very few companies functioning within the constraints of real world
economics could afford their staff the joyride that LU staff seem to
benefit from.


So you'll be signing up with LU quite soon then?

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

I forgot to mention.....

You think you got it tough.....We used to live in a shoe box.


"Brimstone" wrote in message
...

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically
had to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week,
and I get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no
overtime or time off over and above that.

And compared to some people I know I have it pretty easy.

But very few companies functioning within the constraints of real world
economics could afford their staff the joyride that LU staff seem to
benefit from.


So you'll be signing up with LU quite soon then?

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...
I forgot to mention.....

You think you got it tough.....We used to live in a shoe box.


Luxury!!!!

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically had
to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week, and I
get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no
overtime or time off over and above that.


Unless you work for one of a few specific occupations, that's not legal.
Why don't you wait until after you're no longer on probation and then inform
your employer in writing that you are opting back in?

In any event, you shouldn't resent other people getting a better deal than
you did.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the
extra hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people
working for the many companies in many industries that don't leech of
public money, and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might
feel similarly about the situation.


Do you regularly work a 37.5 hour week but only get paid for 35?


I regularly work weeks of 40+ hours, and in my contract I specifically had
to sign an opt-out of the European Law on the maximum 48 hour week, and I
get paid a fixed salary based on a notional 37.5 hour week, with no
overtime or time off over and above that.

And compared to some people I know I have it pretty easy.

But very few companies functioning within the constraints of real world
economics could afford their staff the joyride that LU staff seem to
benefit from.

BTN

You cannot be forced to sign an opt-out - that 'contract' is illegal.

Inform them that you are opting back in.

If they try to sack you, pass you over for promotion, or suffer any other
unmerited discrimination you can take them to the cleaners at a tribunal.

Of course, if you had a union to back your corner your employer wouldn't try
this on in the first place.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:56:43 -0000, "Colin"
wrote:


BTN

You cannot be forced to sign an opt-out - that 'contract' is illegal.


Oh really, they cant be 'forced' to promote one or give decent payrises
either, or be flexible w.r.t working practices either.

Inform them that you are opting back in.

If they try to sack you, pass you over for promotion, or suffer any other
unmerited discrimination you can take them to the cleaners at a tribunal.

That only works with wimmin & public sector wasters.

*No* tube driver is worth 35 grand for a 35 hour week period.

Let alone the BIKs which come with the job.

There again we are talking members of an organisation who threatened to
walk out when a well connected class warrior was fired after being found
drunk behind the wheel of a crashed LU van full of nicked copper.

Not surprisingly 'management' caved in as they always do.

There again, its to be expected in an organisation of time serving
incompetents which takes 12-18 months to bring staff back from paid
maternity leave, all because they allegedly don't have 'the resources' to
process the relevant paperwork.


Of course, if you had a union to back your corner your employer wouldn't try
this on in the first place.

When you beam back in from the 1970s tell me.


greg



--
There's fighting on the left and marching on the right
Don't look up in the sky, you're gonna die of fright
Here comes the razors edge

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

In article , (Sir
Benjamin Nunn) wrote:


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:49:27 +0000, Jason
wrote:


Roger Evans, the transport spokesman, said: "This deal is beyond
comprehension. It is an outrageous insult to every hard-working
Londoner. Yet again we're seeing the unions holding the capital to
ransom. They know the threat of strikes always pays off. The answer is
to ban strikes on the Underground.

Why is it an "insult"? It's not extra holidays - it's days off on
account of extra hours worked!


Well, I find it insulting as I don't get time off because of the extra
hours I work, and I would imagine the millions of people working for
the many companies in many industries that don't leech of public money,
and don't have a corrupt union propping them up might feel similarly
about the situation.

BTN




As a tube driver, my contract is for a 35 hour week and I work an average
36 hour week. I get the extra hour a week they owe me as six banked rest
days. Anything else (such as late running or when a special service is in
operation means enforced overtime on some duties)is overtime at T1/3. If
you choose to work for somewhere that has a different type of contract
then that's your choice.

Roger

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Jesus Sir Ben.....You employed in the Palace then...?

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...



Oh really, they cant be 'forced' to promote one or give decent payrises
either, or be flexible w.r.t working practices either.


So you're advocating that all health and safety laws, all working time laws,
all terms and conditions of employment should be quietly allowed to die just
in case it stops them from getting a promotion? Hmm....send the children
back down the mines, hu?


Inform them that you are opting back in.

If they try to sack you, pass you over for promotion, or suffer any other
unmerited discrimination you can take them to the cleaners at a tribunal.

That only works with wimmin & public sector wasters.


If that is true it's more and more important that the EU makes it compulsory
and stops this opt out idea. Write to your Euro MP with details of these
abuses immediately!



There again we are talking members of an organisation who threatened to
walk out when a well connected class warrior was fired after being found
drunk behind the wheel of a crashed LU van full of nicked copper.

Not surprisingly 'management' caved in as they always do.

There again, its to be expected in an organisation of time serving
incompetents which takes 12-18 months to bring staff back from paid
maternity leave, all because they allegedly don't have 'the resources' to
process the relevant paperwork.


Of course, if you had a union to back your corner your employer wouldn't
try
this on in the first place.

When you beam back in from the 1970s tell me.



Sounds to me like we're happy enough in the noughts! Maybe nothing ever
changes, hu?

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message ...
Oh dear...you have a problem. And you signed this piece of paper about
hours.
That was silly want it?

If people like you ever worked in the real world you'd know that no signing =
no job.

B2003

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

People like me do work in the real world and realise that not signing means
having a better job somewhere else. Plainly this person feels mistreated by
his employer.... There is another option, get a better employer.
"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...
Oh dear...you have a problem. And you signed this piece of paper about
hours.
That was silly want it?

If people like you ever worked in the real world you'd know that no
signing =
no job.

B2003

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

So I take it Greg, its not the employees you dislike, its the company that
gives them these terms and conditions of employment. So I'm sure the abuse
and all that they suffer will go away then.

Thanks.


"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:56:43 -0000, "Colin"
wrote:


BTN

You cannot be forced to sign an opt-out - that 'contract' is illegal.


Oh really, they cant be 'forced' to promote one or give decent payrises
either, or be flexible w.r.t working practices either.

Inform them that you are opting back in.

If they try to sack you, pass you over for promotion, or suffer any other
unmerited discrimination you can take them to the cleaners at a tribunal.

That only works with wimmin & public sector wasters.

*No* tube driver is worth 35 grand for a 35 hour week period.

Let alone the BIKs which come with the job.

There again we are talking members of an organisation who threatened to
walk out when a well connected class warrior was fired after being found
drunk behind the wheel of a crashed LU van full of nicked copper.

Not surprisingly 'management' caved in as they always do.

There again, its to be expected in an organisation of time serving
incompetents which takes 12-18 months to bring staff back from paid
maternity leave, all because they allegedly don't have 'the resources' to
process the relevant paperwork.


Of course, if you had a union to back your corner your employer wouldn't
try
this on in the first place.

When you beam back in from the 1970s tell me.


greg



--
There's fighting on the left and marching on the right
Don't look up in the sky, you're gonna die of fright
Here comes the razors edge

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

I dont think youve been listening Boltar. He doesnt get any extra money and
he doesnt get any extra days off either. The extra days are for Station
Staff. They dont drive trains, they stay on stations.
Oh and I almost forgot, therapy sessions are available should they feel the
need for them. Free.

I think you'll find Government employees have had more strike days than the
tube boys and girls. I am sure you have the figure, so let me know.
If hes right and he gets T+1/3, a lot of them only get T+1/4. My personal
opinion on that is whoever accepted such a small premium should be severley
reprimanded. (I think it was....gasp....Bob Crowe).
Oh dear.....


"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
...

As a tube driver, my contract is for a 35 hour week and I work an average
36 hour week. I get the extra hour a week they owe me as six banked rest
days. Anything else (such as late running or when a special service is in
operation means enforced overtime on some duties)is overtime at T1/3. If
you choose to work for somewhere that has a different type of contract
then that's your choice.

Gasp. 36 hours a week! You lot are overworked. I hope they provide you
with
comfortable beds at the depots so you can go and lie down and recover
along
with free therapy sessions to cope with such long hours.

No one is saying train driving is the easiest job in the world, but then
its
not the hardest by any means either and it gets up peoples noses when you
lot
get extra money & holiday given to you for doing no extra work, simply
because
if you don't then you thrown all your toys out the pram and go on strike.

So whens next years strike due? Just so we can plan to be on holiday when
it
happens you understand.

B2003

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On 26 Nov 2004 04:51:14 -0800, (Boltar) wrote:

If people like you ever worked in the real world you'd know that no signing =
no job.


Err, I was asked if I want to sign this and I refused. Like most
people. We are still working there...

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:19:21 -0000, "JB"




If that is true it's more and more important that the EU makes it
compulsory
and stops this opt out idea.

ROTFL! Meanwhile back on planet earth......


Are you implying that I'm not telling the truth, that this isn't becoming EU
policy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3677804.stm

The more abuses of the current system, the faster the changes will take
place. Then we can all enjoy a shorter week without fear of not getting
promotions, etc.

Or are you implying something else?


Write to your Euro MP with details of these
abuses immediately!

LMAO! Stop you're killing me.



As above, really. Didn't you know this was changing? The more Euro MPs
that can be convinced, citing more abuses, the better of getting it changed.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:40:19 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Are you implying that I'm not telling the truth, that this isn't becoming EU
policy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3677804.stm


Not in any country with aspirations of economic growth it wont.


The more abuses of the current system, the faster the changes will take
place. Then we can all enjoy a shorter week without fear of not getting
promotions, etc.

ROTFL! Yeah that works really well in europe.




greg
--
There's fighting on the left and marching on the right
Don't look up in the sky, you're gonna die of fright
Here comes the razors edge

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:40:19 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Are you implying that I'm not telling the truth, that this isn't becoming
EU
policy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3677804.stm


Not in any country with aspirations of economic growth it wont.




ROTFL! Yeah that works really well in europe.



Oh I see. So all this nonsense about not daring to opt out, worrying about
being passed over for promotions, etc., is in fact just a farce? What
you're saying is you don't favour working time limits? Why be so shy with
your opinions? I don't agree with you, but at least we would be having an
honest discussion.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:41:56 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Not in any country with aspirations of economic growth it wont.




ROTFL! Yeah that works really well in europe.



Oh I see. So all this nonsense about not daring to opt out, worrying about
being passed over for promotions, etc., is in fact just a farce?

No, its a statement of hard fact for those of use who have to work in the
real world and not in the producer captured public sector.


What you're saying is you don't favour working time limits?

I dont, its none of 'Europes' business.

Thats a decision to be taken by a UK govt on behalf of its electors no one
else.


greg

--
There's fighting on the left and marching on the right
Don't look up in the sky, you're gonna die of fright
Here comes the razors edge

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...



What you're saying is you don't favour working time limits?

I dont, its none of 'Europes' business.

Thats a decision to be taken by a UK govt on behalf of its electors no one
else.


Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that? That was certainly one reason why I voted Labour.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:



Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.


Which ignores how the real world works.


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Maternity leave is *not* a constructional right



greg
--
Yeah - straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

Greg Hennessy wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:

Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Which ignores how the real world works.

Jesus, the british unions are amongst the strongest in Europe. Who else
if not them could prevent these methods?

Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy. They
simply should not have united the country so fast, _that_ did kill economy.

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
...



Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Um...I thought I just cleared that up; Yes, yes I did. I suspect you didn't
vote for them at all but perhaps you were overruled by democracy?

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Um...I thought I just cleared that up; Yes, yes I did. I suspect you didn't
vote for them at all but perhaps you were overruled by democracy?

Less than half the popular vote via FPTP is not a mandate to impose
monstrosities such as the proposed constitution.



greg

--
Yeah - straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:31:39 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:

Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Which ignores how the real world works.

Jesus, the british unions are amongst the strongest in Europe.

ROTFL! You do live in the country ?

Who else
if not them could prevent these methods?

Since when did unions give a XXXX about anyone in the private sector on a
salary ?


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy.

Au contraire. when it costs 45 quid/hour to employ a worker at Volkswagen,
its social policy.

They
simply should not have united the country so fast, _that_ did kill economy.

That was 15 years ago,

Instead of using the new supply of cheap labour handed to it for free,
German pols unified at the wrong exchange rate and paid for them to sit at
home on their Arsch.

Instead of encouraging labour mobility, they took active measures to
prevent it.



greg


--
Yeah - straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message ...
I dont think youve been listening Boltar. He doesnt get any extra money and
he doesnt get any extra days off either. The extra days are for Station
Staff. They dont drive trains, they stay on stations.

So? It'll be the drivers turn again soon though I think the signalmen are
due for a walkout , they haven't done it for a while.

Oh and I almost forgot, therapy sessions are available should they feel the
need for them. Free.

What a surprise. Poor sausages , life must be tough.


I think you'll find Government employees have had more strike days than the
tube boys and girls.

"Government employees"? Thats a nice catch all. Takes in the entire civil
service & NHS staff. Only about a million people. Nice try. Please produce
figures showing specific government agencies and strike days of their staff.

If hes right and he gets T+1/3, a lot of them only get T+1/4. My personal
opinion on that is whoever accepted such a small premium should be severley
reprimanded. (I think it was....gasp....Bob Crowe).

My personal opinion is that people like you and the bone idle tube staff
are going to have a nasty dose of reality kick you up the backside one day
when some future government calls their bluff and fires the lot of them.
The miners, dockers, electricity workers and others all thought they were
vital and hence invulnerable and look what happened to them when they pushed
their luck too far. I do so hope I'm there to see it when it happens to
Bob Crowe or his successors and his cronies.

B2003

Tube staff are given 52 days holiday
 

People like me........ Whos that then?


"Boltar" wrote in message
m...
"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...
I dont think youve been listening Boltar. He doesnt get any extra money
and
he doesnt get any extra days off either. The extra days are for Station
Staff. They dont drive trains, they stay on stations.

So? It'll be the drivers turn again soon though I think the signalmen are
due for a walkout , they haven't done it for a while.

Oh and I almost forgot, therapy sessions are available should they feel
the
need for them. Free.

What a surprise. Poor sausages , life must be tough.


I think you'll find Government employees have had more strike days than
the
tube boys and girls.

"Government employees"? Thats a nice catch all. Takes in the entire civil
service & NHS staff. Only about a million people. Nice try. Please produce
figures showing specific government agencies and strike days of their
staff.

If hes right and he gets T+1/3, a lot of them only get T+1/4. My personal
opinion on that is whoever accepted such a small premium should be
severley
reprimanded. (I think it was....gasp....Bob Crowe).

My personal opinion is that people like you and the bone idle tube staff
are going to have a nasty dose of reality kick you up the backside one day
when some future government calls their bluff and fires the lot of them.
The miners, dockers, electricity workers and others all thought they were
vital and hence invulnerable and look what happened to them when they
pushed
their luck too far. I do so hope I'm there to see it when it happens to
Bob Crowe or his successors and his cronies.

B2003