Jammed doors reoppening
 

I mailnly travel on the District, Picidily and Circle lines and notice that
when some idiot wedges their foot in the door they all reopen. I had
assumed this was universal that all the doors reopen so other people can
board during the delay or because of cost cutting in the onboard circuitry.

Yesterday on the Central line I saw all the doors closing, then one door per
carriage (the 3rd from the front) all reopened and then closed.

Are there any other irregularities and why does this happen? What used to
happen when the open buttons on the doors were enabled?

Chris

Jammed doors reoppening
 

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I mailnly travel on the District, Picidily and Circle lines and notice that
when some idiot wedges their foot in the door they all reopen. I had
assumed this was universal that all the doors reopen so other people can
board during the delay or because of cost cutting in the onboard circuitry.

Yesterday on the Central line I saw all the doors closing, then one door
per carriage (the 3rd from the front) all reopened and then closed.

Are there any other irregularities and why does this happen? What used to
happen when the open buttons on the doors were enabled?


The older trains operating on the District, Piccidilly and Circle lines are
operated by the Train Operator (the driver to us mere mortals). S/he can
only open all the doors on the train together, there is no option to reopen
a specific car. Hence when some thoughtless wazzock puts their foot in the
door, and the driver is in a good mood, s/he has no option but to reopen all
the doors together.

The Central Line stock I don't know about.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...

The older trains operating on the District, Piccidilly and Circle lines
are
operated by the Train Operator (the driver to us mere mortals). S/he can
only open all the doors on the train together, there is no option to
reopen
a specific car. Hence when some thoughtless wazzock puts their foot in the
door, and the driver is in a good mood, s/he has no option but to reopen
all
the doors together.

It's much more fun when the driver is *not* in a good mood and makes a PA
announcement to embarrass the miscreant, whilst refusing to open the doors.
If you're in the affected car then it is even more fun watching as the other
passengers form a lynch mob.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I mailnly travel on the District, Picidily and Circle lines and notice
that when some idiot wedges their foot in the door they all reopen. I
had assumed this was universal that all the doors reopen so other
people can board during the delay or because of cost cutting in the
onboard circuitry.

Yesterday on the Central line I saw all the doors closing, then one
door per carriage (the 3rd from the front) all reopened and then
closed.

Are there any other irregularities and why does this happen? What
used to happen when the open buttons on the doors were enabled?

The older trains operating on the District, Piccidilly and Circle lines
are operated by the Train Operator (the driver to us mere mortals).
S/he can only open all the doors on the train together, there is no
option to reopen a specific car. Hence when some thoughtless wazzock
puts their foot in the door, and the driver is in a good mood, s/he has
no option but to reopen all the doors together.

The Central Line stock I don't know about.

Newer stocks have selective door re-opening. No doubt someone here will
now tell use which stocks have the feature.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I mailnly travel on the District, Picidily and Circle lines and
notice that when some idiot wedges their foot in the door they all
reopen. I had assumed this was universal that all the doors reopen
so other people can board during the delay or because of cost
cutting in the onboard circuitry.

Yesterday on the Central line I saw all the doors closing, then one
door per carriage (the 3rd from the front) all reopened and then
closed.

Are there any other irregularities and why does this happen? What
used to happen when the open buttons on the doors were enabled?

The older trains operating on the District, Piccidilly and Circle
lines are operated by the Train Operator (the driver to us mere
mortals). S/he can only open all the doors on the train together,
there is no option to reopen a specific car. Hence when some
thoughtless wazzock puts their foot in the door, and the driver is in
a good mood, s/he has no option but to reopen all the doors together.

The Central Line stock I don't know about.

Newer stocks have selective door re-opening. No doubt someone here will
now tell use which stocks have the feature.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

1995, 1996 and, I assume, 1992 - I think that's all.
Will only re-open (all) the doors on the car(s) that have been detected as
having doors not closed.

I must admit that I rarely use this as it is just as simple to re-open all
the doors. However it is useful at rush hours and at stations where there
is a continuous stream of people onto the train.

Roger

Jammed doors reoppening
 

Roger wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 28 Nov 2004:

1995, 1996 and, I assume, 1992 - I think that's all.
Will only re-open (all) the doors on the car(s) that have been detected as
having doors not closed.

I must admit that I rarely use this as it is just as simple to re-open all
the doors. However it is useful at rush hours and at stations where there
is a continuous stream of people onto the train.

From a passenger's point of view, it's jolly useful when you *do*
re-open all the doors, if one is just missing a train.... still, there's
usually another one along very shortly.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 28 November 2004

Jammed doors reoppening
 

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I mailnly travel on the District, Picidily and Circle lines and notice
that when some idiot wedges their foot in the door they all reopen. I
had assumed this was universal that all the doors reopen so other
people can board during the delay or because of cost cutting in the
onboard circuitry.


On the District Line, we have the facility to operate the 'selective
re-open' which will only re-open the doors on the car where they
haven't closed properly. This saves every door being re-opened and
thus having to go through the whole process again!

You always get one idiot! Despite any anouncements, either by the
driver or the station staff, someone will still stick a foot or
briefcase etc into the doors. You have to be careful in this
'sue-anyone-for-anything' society which we now live... Only last week
one of my colleagues was 'stood down' while CCTV was investigated
afetr a lady alleged she got her foot trapped in the door and caused
her to fall back onto the platform. After thorough investigation, it
turned out that she did indeed stick her foot in the door, but then
removed it again. She never fell, but was obviuosly just a bit wound
up that she'd have to wait another 30 seconds for the next train...

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Mrs Redboots) wrote:

Roger wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 28 Nov 2004:

1995, 1996 and, I assume, 1992 - I think that's all.
Will only re-open (all) the doors on the car(s) that have been
detected as having doors not closed.

I must admit that I rarely use this as it is just as simple to re-open
all the doors. However it is useful at rush hours and at stations where
there is a continuous stream of people onto the train.

From a passenger's point of view, it's jolly useful when you *do*
re-open all the doors, if one is just missing a train.... still, there's
usually another one along very shortly.

Indeed. And even more useful when there isn't.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Jammed doors reoppening
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Mrs Redboots) wrote:

Roger wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 28 Nov 2004:

1995, 1996 and, I assume, 1992 - I think that's all.
Will only re-open (all) the doors on the car(s) that have been
detected as having doors not closed.

I must admit that I rarely use this as it is just as simple to re-open
all the doors. However it is useful at rush hours and at stations where
there is a continuous stream of people onto the train.

From a passenger's point of view, it's jolly useful when you *do*
re-open all the doors, if one is just missing a train.... still, there's
usually another one along very shortly.

Indeed. And even more useful when there isn't.


For the person / people on the platform, maybe, but not the hundreds already
on the train

Jammed doors reoppening
 

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0000, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:


It's much more fun when the driver is *not* in a good mood and makes a PA
announcement to embarrass the miscreant, whilst refusing to open the doors.
If you're in the affected car then it is even more fun watching as the other
passengers form a lynch mob.

Depends. I got into a Northern Line recently, which was busy, and my
bag fouled the closing doors. The total ****-for-brains up front just
wouldn't open the door. I didn't budge (I couldn't) nor did ****-face.

Eventually other passengers (a lynch mob?) helped me to prise the
doors open enough for my bag to be freed.

I hope the driver's knob fell off.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

On 28 Nov 2004 12:10:50 -0800,
(DistrictDriver) wrote:



You always get one idiot! Despite any anouncements, either by the
driver or the station staff, someone will still stick a foot or
briefcase etc into the doors. You have to be careful in this
'sue-anyone-for-anything' society which we now live... Only last week
one of my colleagues was 'stood down' while CCTV was investigated
afetr a lady alleged she got her foot trapped in the door and caused
her to fall back onto the platform. After thorough investigation, it
turned out that she did indeed stick her foot in the door, but then
removed it again. She never fell, but was obviuosly just a bit wound
up that she'd have to wait another 30 seconds for the next train...

My uncle was at various times a CO/CP and an A60/62 driver. He told of
a time when he entered a station (I think Euston Square) fast - as he
should have done - but there was a twit on the platform standing just
inside the station on the edge of the platform with this hands on his
hips.

The grab bar on the front of his CO/CP hit the chap's elbow with a
resounding 'BONG', and the elbow's owner span back onto the platform.

I bet his eyes watered! But no attempt at a claim for compensation.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Ken Wheatley) wrote:

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0000, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:

It's much more fun when the driver is *not* in a good mood and makes a
PA announcement to embarrass the miscreant, whilst refusing to open the
doors. If you're in the affected car then it is even more fun watching
as the other passengers form a lynch mob.

Depends. I got into a Northern Line recently, which was busy, and my
bag fouled the closing doors. The total ****-for-brains up front just
wouldn't open the door. I didn't budge (I couldn't) nor did ****-face.

Eventually other passengers (a lynch mob?) helped me to prise the
doors open enough for my bag to be freed.

I hope the driver's knob fell off.

I've seen extended delays in similar circumstances. All the train operator
needed to do was re-open and close the doors and he's have been away much
quicker.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
Ken Wheatley wrote:

My uncle was at various times a CO/CP and an A60/62 driver. He told of
a time when he entered a station (I think Euston Square) fast - as he
should have done - but there was a twit on the platform standing just
inside the station on the edge of the platform with this hands on his
hips.

The grab bar on the front of his CO/CP hit the chap's elbow with a
resounding 'BONG', and the elbow's owner span back onto the platform.

I bet his eyes watered! But no attempt at a claim for compensation.

You didn't get compensation for your own stupidity in those days.

--
http://www.election.demon.co.uk
"The guilty party was the Liberal Democrats and they were hardened offenders,
and coded racism was again in evidence in leaflets distributed in September
1993." - Nigel Copsey, "Contemporary British Fascism", page 62.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

Jammed doors reoppening
 

Ken Wheatley wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0000, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:


It's much more fun when the driver is *not* in a good mood and makes
a PA announcement to embarrass the miscreant, whilst refusing to
open the doors. If you're in the affected car then it is even more
fun watching as the other passengers form a lynch mob.

Depends. I got into a Northern Line recently, which was busy, and my
bag fouled the closing doors. The total ****-for-brains up front just
wouldn't open the door. I didn't budge (I couldn't) nor did ****-face.

Eventually other passengers (a lynch mob?) helped me to prise the
doors open enough for my bag to be freed.

I hope the driver's knob fell off.

I suppose it didn't occur to you that if you hadn't got on after the doors
started to close your bag wouldn't have got stuck and you wouldn't then have
delayed everyone else who was on the train?

Jammed doors reoppening
 

Boltar wrote:
(DistrictDriver) wrote in message
. com...
You always get one idiot! Despite any anouncements, either by the
driver or the station staff, someone will still stick a foot or
briefcase etc into the doors. You have to be careful in this
'sue-anyone-for-anything' society which we now live... Only last week
one of my colleagues was 'stood down' while CCTV was investigated
afetr a lady alleged she got her foot trapped in the door and caused
her to fall back onto the platform. After thorough investigation, it
turned out that she did indeed stick her foot in the door, but then
removed it again. She never fell, but was obviuosly just a bit wound
up that she'd have to wait another 30 seconds for the next train...

I remember years ago when I was a teenager travelling on the northern
line
back in the 80s we'd got stuck at Camden by some idiot who'd stuck
his foot in
the door and wouldn't remove it and by the guard who was in a bad
mood and
wouldn't reopen
the doors at all. The driver sorted out the impasse after a few
minutes by
just motoring the train forward a bit (it seems on the old 59 stock
the
cut out delay on the motors from the open doors was long enough to
get some
movement into the train) which dragged foot and idiot forward some
metres.
He quickly removed his foot and much shouting ensued but the train
just took
off anyway. Was quite amusing though no doubt these days both driver
and
guard would have been disciplined by the nannies.


It's worse than that!

With the advent of Driver Only Operation the driver can't engage the motors
with a door open.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Boltar) wrote:

(DistrictDriver) wrote in message
. com...
You always get one idiot! Despite any anouncements, either by the
driver or the station staff, someone will still stick a foot or
briefcase etc into the doors. You have to be careful in this
'sue-anyone-for-anything' society which we now live... Only last week
one of my colleagues was 'stood down' while CCTV was investigated
afetr a lady alleged she got her foot trapped in the door and caused
her to fall back onto the platform. After thorough investigation, it
turned out that she did indeed stick her foot in the door, but then
removed it again. She never fell, but was obviuosly just a bit wound
up that she'd have to wait another 30 seconds for the next train...

I remember years ago when I was a teenager travelling on the northern
line
back in the 80s we'd got stuck at Camden by some idiot who'd stuck his
foot in
the door and wouldn't remove it and by the guard who was in a bad mood
and
wouldn't reopen
the doors at all. The driver sorted out the impasse after a few minutes
by
just motoring the train forward a bit (it seems on the old 59 stock the
cut out delay on the motors from the open doors was long enough to get
some
movement into the train) which dragged foot and idiot forward some
metres.
He quickly removed his foot and much shouting ensued but the train just
took
off anyway. Was quite amusing though no doubt these days both driver and
guard would have been disciplined by the nannies.

B2003

The motors were never interlocked with the doors and thus the driver could
always pull away if he wanted to. This meant that the train could be
"notched up" a few times if the doors were sticking open. Only the bravest
of passengers would remain with their foot stuck in the door then. It was
a bit more difficult on the 72/73 stock because of the same handle doing
motoring and braking but, with a bit of practice it could still be done.

Since OPO, this facility has unfortunately been lost.

Roger

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In article ,
(Ken Wheatley) wrote:

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0000, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:


It's much more fun when the driver is *not* in a good mood and makes a
PA
announcement to embarrass the miscreant, whilst refusing to open the
doors.
If you're in the affected car then it is even more fun watching as the
other
passengers form a lynch mob.

Depends. I got into a Northern Line recently, which was busy, and my
bag fouled the closing doors. The total ****-for-brains up front just
wouldn't open the door. I didn't budge (I couldn't) nor did ****-face.

Eventually other passengers (a lynch mob?) helped me to prise the
doors open enough for my bag to be freed.

I hope the driver's knob fell off.

And then, of course, you get The total ****-for-brains passengers who
decide they're not going to make the closing doors in person but will
swing their bag/umbrella etc. in the doors. This happens a lot. One time,
having watched somebody do just this, the doors closed after a few seconds
delay with the passenger still on the platform waving. Off I went. Turns
out that somebody in the car had pulled the bag into the car, thus
separating passenger from bag!

One of the benefits of recorded CCTV is that there can be a replay when a
passenger complains that he was "trapped in the doors". Sometimes it has
turned out that the passenger was nowhere near the train. usually
it is proved that the doors were already closing before the person
was near them. Judging by the antics of some passengers, such as standing
idly on the platform then making a sudden dash for the closing doors, it
appears that their hoping to have an incident where they can claim
compensation from LU.

Roger

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:13:21 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:



I suppose it didn't occur to you that if you hadn't got on after the doors
started to close your bag wouldn't have got stuck and you wouldn't then have
delayed everyone else who was on the train?

No, because I didn't get on as they closed. It was just a bloody
awkward bag that slid down my arm as I boarded.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

wrote in message
...

And then, of course, you get The total ****-for-brains passengers who
decide they're not going to make the closing doors in person but will
swing their bag/umbrella etc. in the doors. This happens a lot. One time,
having watched somebody do just this, the doors closed after a few seconds
delay with the passenger still on the platform waving. Off I went. Turns
out that somebody in the car had pulled the bag into the car, thus
separating passenger from bag!

One of the benefits of recorded CCTV is that there can be a replay when a
passenger complains that he was "trapped in the doors". Sometimes it has
turned out that the passenger was nowhere near the train. usually
it is proved that the doors were already closing before the person
was near them. Judging by the antics of some passengers, such as standing
idly on the platform then making a sudden dash for the closing doors, it
appears that their hoping to have an incident where they can claim
compensation from LU.


When I was a member of that much lamented breed, a guard, we were westbound
through Hyde Park Corner (platform access at the extreme rear of the train
and guard's position in the back cab) one evening peak when some jerk dashed
on the platform and swung a large (half gallon) can of paint into the
almost closed doors.

He then looked at me with a silly smirk as if to say "Well, you're going to
have to open them again now aren't you?"

I went up to him, grabbed the handle and tugged but it came away so I got
hold of the tin itself and pulled. As I gave it to him I remarked that he
shouldn't have put it in in the first place, got back in the can and gave
the driver the signal to start.

The silly smirk had disappeared from his face and had been replaced by one
much more satisfying, well to me at least.

Why didn't I simply re-open the doors? Firstly because of the attitude that
the silly smirk betrayed and secondly because there were other people
directly behind him with more approaching I could have been there all night.

There was an apocryphal tale of a guard who got a bollocking for failing to
reopen the doors for someone who came dashing onto the platform at the last
moment. Apparently he took the manager's advice to heart and allowed those
who wished to to get on the train. Allegedly he was at Green Park during one
evening peak for some twenty minutes.

Jammed doors reoppening
 

In message , Boltar
writes
(it seems on the old 59 stock the cut out delay on the motors from the
open doors was long enough to get some movement into the train)
Certainly up to 62 stock, no such interlock existed.
--
Clive.