In message , John Rowland
writes

Anyway, I'm still surprised that T4 station is closing to passengers a whole
day before the engineering possession starts. Some of the wheelchair
passengers who decide to get the tube to T123 and then the HEx to T4 will
end up being taken non-stop through the T4 station. They'll be rather
annoyed, especially if they miss their planes because they didn't know in
advance that the possession was taking place. And they'll be even more
annoyed if they ever find out that LU shut T4 station a day early just so
they can get their trains all pointing the "right way around", when every
Picc depot seems to have coped fine with trains in random directions every
night since 1987.

But the difference is that after the 7th, they won't have any way to
turn them if they need them the other way, except a long drawn out
special working.

Currently, if they need one turned round (which is quite common) they
get a spare man to run it round the loop out of service.
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In article ,
(Mait001) wrote:

But, is it not the case that at SOME STAGE all public transport will
have to be disability compliant, whatever the cost and practicality?

Not whatever the cost and practicality, surely? I know vehicles are
expected to conform once it becomes reasonable for non-compliant ones to
have been replaced, but stations etc?

Hey, you're the lawyer. I only got a law degree over 30 years ago. :-)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Matt Wheeler) wrote:

Except, its not all of them going around the loop on the friday. Only
those that need to be turned around will do so, the others will go to
T123 without going around the loop. So, only some of the passengers
will sent through a closed station.

How many trains are which way round? Presumably about half and half now
but won't they try to turn them in the last few days of service?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Matt Wheeler) wrote:

Except, its not all of them going around the loop on the friday.
Only
those that need to be turned around will do so, the others will go
to
T123 without going around the loop. So, only some of the passengers
will sent through a closed station.

How many trains are which way round? Presumably about half and half
now
but won't they try to turn them in the last few days of service?


Well. In theory, but it wouldn't work in practice, as each time the
train goes to heathrow it gets turned around..... so they can only
realisticaly do it on the one day when the loop is still "open" but
the station at T4 won't be.

Mait001 wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 19 Dec 2004:


Isn't this just another exemplification of what lay behind my original posting
in this thread: the utter contempt in which passengers are held? Wouldn't it be
so much nicer for the Underground and the twits that seem to run it, to have
rid of passengers altogether?

They have - we're called "Customers" now, which doesn't imply that we're
actually going to travel anywhere!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 18 December 2004

Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 19 Dec 2004:

In article ,
(Mait001) wrote:

But, is it not the case that at SOME STAGE all public transport will
have to be disability compliant, whatever the cost and practicality?

Not whatever the cost and practicality, surely? I know vehicles are
expected to conform once it becomes reasonable for non-compliant ones to
have been replaced, but stations etc?

They've been putting in lifts at Brixton Station for about the last two
years! I expect they'll finish one day....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 18 December 2004

But, is it not the case that at SOME STAGE all public transport will
have to be disability compliant, whatever the cost and practicality?

Not whatever the cost and practicality, surely? I know vehicles are
expected to conform once it becomes reasonable for non-compliant ones to
have been replaced, but stations etc?

Hey, you're the lawyer. I only got a law degree over 30 years ago. :-)

Colin, I am writing as a transport enthusiast and layman (not as a criminal
barrister!) but I thought that the legislation applied to all buildings to
which the public have access; if that is so it must include railway and
Underground stations etc.

My law Degree is almost 20 years old now! I got it at a time when jury trial
was sacrosanct, innocence till found guilty, no dentention without trial,
Cabinet government, no restrospective legislation .... How old-fashioned all
of this now seems!

Marc.

Isn't this just another exemplification of what lay behind my original
posting
in this thread: the utter contempt in which passengers are held? Wouldn't it
be
so much nicer for the Underground and the twits that seem to run it, to have
rid of passengers altogether?

They have - we're called "Customers" now, which doesn't imply that we're
actually going to travel anywhere!
--
"Mrs Redboots"

Indeed, I forgot, "customer" had to replace "passenger" since a prosecution
under the Trades Description Act might have otherwise followed, as you have so
succinctly pointed out!

Marc.

They've been putting in lifts at Brixton Station for about the last two
years! I expect they'll finish one day....
--
"Mrs Redboots"

It took even longer to do this to the District Line platforms at Earl's Court,
and that didn't even invove any tunnelling!

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...

My law Degree is almost 20 years old now! I got it at a time when jury
trial
was sacrosanct, innocence till found guilty, no dentention without trial,
Cabinet government, no restrospective legislation .... How old-fashioned
all
of this now seems!

What retrospective legislation has been passed?

Who is not innocent till found guilty?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
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