Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a CEP on
the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?

I was amused to read, at CJ, that Southern are bringing in a new fleet
of suburban trains, since I was on one that was older than any..... and
my mother, who was with me, commented on how much more comfortable the
CEP was than the new train which had brought her up from Arundel earlier
in the day! How true....
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"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

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Mrs Redboots typed:

Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a CEP
on the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?




Bob

Bob Wood wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

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Mrs Redboots typed:

Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a CEP
on the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?

Don't I mean 315s? What do I mean, then - you know, the jobs with
bright orange walls and low seat-backs.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:40:57 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?

Don't I mean 315s? What do I mean, then - you know, the jobs with
bright orange walls and low seat-backs.

The South West Trains and South Central inner suburban trains: Class
455. These are similar to 315 but run on 3rd rail and are a bit newer.
They have the orange walls and low seats, but both operators are in
the process of refurbishing them, so expect changes: SWT recently
launched its first refurbished one (has Southern started refurbing
yet?). These may also be the 'new' suburban trains that have been
advertised - a lot of the information talks of 'new refurbished
trains'. The new trains on the outer suburban/express routes are
really new.

Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

1577+2260 wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:40:57 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?

Don't I mean 315s? What do I mean, then - you know, the jobs with
bright orange walls and low seat-backs.

The South West Trains and South Central inner suburban trains: Class
455.

So they are, thanks! Just got muddled with the numbers.....

These are similar to 315 but run on 3rd rail and are a bit newer.
They have the orange walls and low seats, but both operators are in
the process of refurbishing them, so expect changes: SWT recently
launched its first refurbished one (has Southern started refurbing
yet?).

Yes, I think it has - would this be why they have gone back to using
older trains on some services, if they have taken some out of service to
be refurbished?

Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

I think I knew that, but never actually noticed it! (I've been on those
trains occasionally).
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

Bob Wood wrote:
In ,
Mrs Redboots typed:


Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a CEP
on the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?



How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?




Bob



313s are much the same

Henry Law

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:49:01 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:
milar to 315 but run on 3rd rail and are a bit newer.
They have the orange walls and low seats, but both operators are in
the process of refurbishing them, so expect changes: SWT recently
launched its first refurbished one (has Southern started refurbing
yet?).

Yes, I think it has - would this be why they have gone back to using
older trains on some services, if they have taken some out of service to
be refurbished?


On the inner suburban routes there have been slam-door trains on peak
services for quite some time as there are not enough 455s to cover the
peaks.

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Henry Law typed:
Bob Wood wrote:
In ,
Mrs Redboots typed:


Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a
CEP on the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?


313s are much the same


But don't do any journeys from Streatham Common or Putney.




Bob

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"Henry Law" writes:

Bob Wood wrote:
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Mrs Redboots typed:


Yesterday I travelled by train from Streatham Common to Clapham
Junction, and, later in the day, from Putney to Clapham Junction.

The unusual thing about both journeys were that in both cases a
slam-door train was provided: a VEP on the Southern service and a CEP
on the South-West Trains one.

I wonder how rare such a thing is nowadays, when most trains are at
least 315s, if not something more modern?

How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?


313s are much the same

315s are that bad?
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Mrs Redboots wrote:
Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

I think I knew that, but never actually noticed it! (I've been on those
trains occasionally).

The change power at a stop. When they go from 3rd rail to overhead,
you can just hear the "thunk" of the pan hitting the wires. I
/think/ the lights brighten just a little, too.

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Mike Bristow - really a very good driver