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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
(c) one of the tickets is a season ticket, and the other ticket(s)
is/are
not.
Aren't both of them season tickets? I guess rule (b) applies
anyhow, the
train does stop at the point where the ticket changes.

If you had separate Potters Bar to Finsbury Park and R12 Travelcards
then, yes, they are both season tickets. So (c) is *NOT* applicable.

This thread referred to the combination of two annual tickets, one a
point to point "season" and the second a zonal "period travelcard".

My TOC (WAGN) have confirmed that the TfL ticket (Oyster Z12) is not a
"season ticket" as referred to in section 17 of the conditions of
carriage, it's a period travelcard. The combination of a point to point
"season" and a "zonal period travelcard" which swap over somewhere the
train doesn't actually stop is permitted. This was moot point for me
anyway since I did it at a stop where all my trains call but may be
useful to others.

I renewed last week saving £370 by buying tickets this way, thanks to
the original poster for the information!

Cheers,
Dave


I'm sure this is legal, but just thought it might be a good idea to
check before I advise someone else I know to do it!

By default, when buying a season ticket from outside London you get an
'all zones' travelcard (R1256) with it. For example, I travel in from
Brookmans Park.

The monthly cost of a Brookmans Park - London (zones 1256) ticket is
£207.40.

However, I'm only commuting into central london, so don't need all the
extra zoens - I get off at a zone one station. Therefore it is cheaper
for me to split the ticket in two and buy two separate tickets:

Brookmans Park - Finsbury Park (which is where I change onto LUL and is

a station inside zone 2) - £100.30
Zone 1+2 Travelcard / month - £77.60

Saving about 30 quid a month. There's nothing wrong with doing this is
there?

James

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In article . com,
() wrote:

My TOC (WAGN) have confirmed that the TfL ticket (Oyster Z12) is not a
"season ticket" as referred to in section 17 of the conditions of
carriage, it's a period travelcard.

A Period Travelcard isn't a season ticket? I think they are using weasel
words to modify legal definitions to suit their own pocket.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Paul Cummins) wrote:

A Period Travelcard isn't a season ticket? I think they are using weasel
words to modify legal definitions to suit their own pocket.

Not unusual; for routeing purposes and the likes, only proper National
Rail issued season tickets count as such. In particular, a PTE-issued
season ticket[1] is not - and, while TfL tends to work a bit
differently from PTEs, I don't see why they should be any different in
this respect.

[1] I believe this includes PTE-sponsored point-to-point seasons as
well as "zonal"[2] tickets, but I'm not sure.

[2] Quotes intentional, as a "zonal" ticket has a specific meaning in
terms of the NCoC and routeing rules, while I'm using the term to
refer to any ticket which has an area of validity rather than being
valid between two specified stations.

Neil

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When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

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"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
.. .

A Period Travelcard isn't a season ticket? I think they are using weasel
words to modify legal definitions to suit their own pocket.

Found the TfL Conditions of Carriage
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pdfdocs/nconditions.pdf which define a "season ticket"
as a point to point ticket between certain stations on LU across a zone
boundry and is valid for unlimited travel between the stations as shown on
the ticket.

It says a "period travelcard" is a zonal ticket valid for unlimited travel
on LU, Tram, DLR, NR within the zones on the ticket and on all buses.

So there is a difference, though not sure why they define it.

Cheers,
Dave

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:06:31 -0000, "Dave Plumb"
wrote:

"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
. ..

A Period Travelcard isn't a season ticket? I think they are using weasel
words to modify legal definitions to suit their own pocket.

Found the TfL Conditions of Carriage
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pdfdocs/nconditions.pdf which define a "season ticket"
as a point to point ticket between certain stations on LU across a zone
boundry and is valid for unlimited travel between the stations as shown on
the ticket.

It says a "period travelcard" is a zonal ticket valid for unlimited travel
on LU, Tram, DLR, NR within the zones on the ticket and on all buses.

So there is a difference, though not sure why they define it.

Becuase:

There are a few short-haul point-to-point seasons still available on
LUL which do not have multi-modal validlity.

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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It says a "period travelcard" is a zonal ticket valid for unlimited
travel
on LU, Tram, DLR, NR within the zones on the ticket and on all buses.
There are a few short-haul point-to-point seasons still available on
LUL which do not have multi-modal validlity.

The zonal system is simple to follow but not necessarily fair for the vast
majority of travellers who follow one route to work and the same one home.
Probably like most I do use the travelcard aspect on occasions but I'd
probably be financially better off if I could buy a ticket between two named
stations and do the rest on PAYG. The zonal gives you some protection
against problems on one line, but in that case adjacent lines accept tickets
anyhow.

Are there many point to point seasons available still on LU?

Cheers,
Dave

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Are there many point to point seasons available still on LU?


All those solely valid Rickmansworth or Croxley northwards are.

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:30:15 -0000, "Dave Plumb"
wrote:

Are there many point to point seasons available still on LU?

This is:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...fares-2005.pdf
Page 22 printed/12 of PDF:

"Tube only short distance season tickets

Available for some shorter journeys across a
zone boundary between specific Tube stations."

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Cheers,

Jason.