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My wife and I both work in London and comute from Kent on South East
Trains, the yearly season ticket costs about £1400 each.

We are expecting our first child in the summer and eventually when my
wife returns to work we are considering her working 2 days a week and
me working 3 days a week, so there will always be one of us at home
being house wife/husband.

One problem that this is thrown up appears to be that although between
us we will still only be making 5 return trips to London each week we
will have to each buy an annual train ticket (ie 2x £1400)

I have tried asking my local station, but they didnt seem to understand
what I was saying, so I wondered if anyone here understands what I am
saying and can think of a solution.

....the obvious answer is to buy singles, but these work out almost as
expensive and I would need to queue for 30 mins every day to buy one!

Do trains offer similar tickets to the tube Carnet? ie buy single
tickets in bulk and get a discount?
Thanks for any help

David Bevan

http://www.davidbevan.co.uk

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You can buy an "impersonal season", which costs 50% more than the
equivalent Adult rate season ticket, but, as its name suggests, allows
any number of people to use it (although only one of them may be using
it at any one time).

Keith

wrote:
My wife and I both work in London and comute from Kent on South East
Trains, the yearly season ticket costs about £1400 each.

We are expecting our first child in the summer and eventually when my
wife returns to work we are considering her working 2 days a week and
me working 3 days a week, so there will always be one of us at home
being house wife/husband.

One problem that this is thrown up appears to be that although
between
us we will still only be making 5 return trips to London each week we
will have to each buy an annual train ticket (ie 2x £1400)

I have tried asking my local station, but they didnt seem to
understand
what I was saying, so I wondered if anyone here understands what I am
saying and can think of a solution.

...the obvious answer is to buy singles, but these work out almost as
expensive and I would need to queue for 30 mins every day to buy one!

Do trains offer similar tickets to the tube Carnet? ie buy single
tickets in bulk and get a discount?
Thanks for any help

David Bevan

http://www.davidbevan.co.uk

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wrote:
...the obvious answer is to buy singles, but these work out almost as
expensive and I would need to queue for 30 mins every day to buy one!



You could always buy them from trainline / qjump (or SET telesales if
they have one). Buy a months worth in advance or something like that

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You can buy an "impersonal season", which costs 50% more than the
equivalent Adult rate season ticket, but, as its name suggests, allows
any number of people to use it (although only one of them may be using
it at any one time).

Any idea (apart from the additional profit they'd lose) why they don't relax
the rules on travelcards and let them be used by the bearer? I think TfL
have relaxed this on weeklies now, only one person can use the ticket at any
one time anyway and it seems unfair in this case they have to buy two
tickets to do the equivalent of 5 returns. I'm sure the potential abuse is
quite small, the logistics of two people ticket sharing to get more than 5
journeys a week would be difficult.. :)

D

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Dave Plumb wrote:
You can buy an "impersonal season", which costs 50% more than the
equivalent Adult rate season ticket, but, as its name suggests,
allows any number of people to use it (although only one of them may
be using it at any one time).

Any idea (apart from the additional profit they'd lose) why they
don't relax the rules on travelcards and let them be used by the
bearer? I think TfL have relaxed this on weeklies now, only one
person can use the ticket at any one time anyway and it seems unfair
in this case they have to buy two tickets to do the equivalent of 5
returns. I'm sure the potential abuse is quite small, the logistics
of two people ticket sharing to get more than 5 journeys a week would
be difficult.. :)

Quite possible if one works earlies and one works lates.


--
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and Ni-wom!

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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:47:51 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:

2800 quid a year to sit on a late, slow, smelly train?

Get a car.

Anywhere else. perhaps. To go to London in the morning peak, I don't
think I'd put my worst enemy through that.

As a more useful answer to the OP, there may exist for your journey a
transferrable season ticket. Not all TOCs do them (they were
discussed recently on uk.railway), but it's worth asking at the
station for them to check their fares manuals.

Neil

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Tim S Kemp wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 10 Jan 2005:


2800 quid a year to sit on a late, slow, smelly train?

Get a car.

Which would cost nearly as much to park in Central London, plus
congestion charge, plus being less environmentally-friendly. Plus the
stress of driving there and back.... yuck! Okay, trains can be stressy,
but far less so than driving - and even slow trains can be a *lot*
quicker. Husband takes 45 minutes door-to-door if he uses the train; by
car it is a minimum of 1.5 hours, plus all the stress of driving.....
--
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In message , Mrs Redboots
writes

Which would cost nearly as much to park in Central London, plus
congestion charge, plus being less environmentally-friendly. Plus the
stress of driving there and back.... yuck! Okay, trains can be stressy,
but far less so than driving - and even slow trains can be a *lot*
quicker. Husband takes 45 minutes door-to-door if he uses the train; by
car it is a minimum of 1.5 hours, plus all the stress of driving.....

Best thing I ever did for me was to stop driving a car to work. It used
to take me (at the best) about an hour to get across London. It could
take as long as 3 hours on a bad day.

I changed jobs and now have a 20min motorcycle ride round the NCR.

And (oddly enough to some people around here) I actually feel that I'm
doing some good for London as I became a Tube driver.
--
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Mrs Redboots wrote:
Which would cost nearly as much to park in Central London, plus
congestion charge, plus being less environmentally-friendly.

I'm always amused by people who choose to travel large distances to and
from work every day, then mutter about being 'environmentally
friendly'.

Mark

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Huge wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 11 Jan 2005:

Mrs Redboots writes:

Okay, trains can be stressy,
but far less so than driving

Nonsense.

No, what you mean is "I haven't found this to be so."
I am delighted to hear it, but it does not resonate with my husband's
experience of commuting.
--
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http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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The impersonal season tickets suggested by other posters seem like a
good solution, but it's a shame they're priced at a premium. Travelcard
season tickets in London have just changed so that one doesn't need a
photocard. If you live close to the zone 6 boundary, could this be a
solution, maybe combined with a cheap single to the boundary?

Or are there any coach operators to London that sell season tickets
without requiring a photocard?

Dominic

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wrote:
I'm always amused by people who choose to travel large distances to
and
from work every day, then mutter about being 'environmentally
friendly'.

Mark

Another ivory tower commentator. I have never known anybody who does
long commutes by choice.

Kevin

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In article .com,
wrote:
Another ivory tower commentator. I have never known anybody who does
long commutes by choice.

They all do.

The fact that long distance commuters consider the alternatives
unpalatable does not negate the fact that they made a choice not
to move closer to work, get a job closer to home or work in the
first place.

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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Mike Bristow wrote:
The fact that long distance commuters consider the alternatives
unpalatable does not negate the fact that they made a choice not
to move closer to work, get a job closer to home or work in the
first place.

Indeed. I have no problem with people making that choice, but having
them then complain about others not being 'environmentally friendly' is
a joke.

Mark

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Mike Bristow wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

The fact that long distance commuters consider the alternatives
unpalatable does not negate the fact that they made a choice not
to move closer to work, get a job closer to home or work in the
first place.

In this day and age? You're joking! Don't forget, husband often works
in one place, wife in another, then there are issues such as children's
schooling, negative equity, etc. Plus when you get to 50+ you hang on
to your job for all you're worth, as you can't get another.... and so it
goes. IBM stands for "I've Been Moved", don't forget.

Anyway, define "Long-Distance"? Some people really do think a journey
of 50 miles or more is worth it - I wouldn't, but.....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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Steve Firth wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

Huge wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 11 Jan 2005:

Mrs Redboots writes:

Okay, trains can be stressy,
but far less so than driving

Nonsense.

No, what you mean is "I haven't found this to be so."
I am delighted to hear it, but it does not resonate with my husband's
experience of commuting.

So your truism is more true than his truism? Have you eaver heard of the
term "logical fallacy"? Because you appear to be trying for some sort of
record in uttering them.

Why is it a logical fallacy to say that my husband finds taking the
train to work both faster and less stressy than driving? I don't see
that it is a truism when one is speaking from personal (or at any rate,
spousal) experience.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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In article , Mrs Redboots says...

Why is it a logical fallacy to say that my husband finds taking the
train to work both faster and less stressy than driving?

He doesn't find it less stressful. What he does do however is to
conveniently forget to tell you about:
The daily fight to get a seat
The fact he has a daily broadsheet delivered so he can bury his head in
it to save having to talk to other people on the train.
The daily crush that is the platform experience.
The stress of wondering if your train is actually going to be running
and then if it is, if it'll arrive on time.


--
Conor

An imperfect plan executed violently is far superior to a perfect plan.
-- George Patton

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Conor wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

In article , Mrs Redboots says...

Why is it a logical fallacy to say that my husband finds taking the
train to work both faster and less stressy than driving?

He doesn't find it less stressful. What he does do however is to
conveniently forget to tell you about:
The daily fight to get a seat

He takes a bicycle, so always stands beside it.

The fact he has a daily broadsheet delivered so he can bury his head in
it to save having to talk to other people on the train.

He reads Metro, if anything.

The daily crush that is the platform experience.

As he doesn't normally arrive at the station until the train is actually
pulling in (and occasionally, if he times it wrong, pulling out!), that
does not apply.

The stress of wondering if your train is actually going to be running
and then if it is, if it'll arrive on time.

This is what the National Rail Live Departure Boards are designed to
address, particularly for his evening journey, since he works within a
couple of minutes' cycle ride of Redhill station. Even I have learnt to
check them now so know whether or not he'll be late (r than usual!).
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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On 12 Jan 2005 18:02:05 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

Mrs Redboots writes:
Conor wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

In article , Mrs Redboots says...

Why is it a logical fallacy to say that my husband finds taking the
train to work both faster and less stressy than driving?

He doesn't find it less stressful. What he does do however is to
conveniently forget to tell you about:
The daily fight to get a seat

He takes a bicycle, so always stands beside it.

Occupying the space of three people while paying for one.

What if we all did it. Tovarich? ;-)

DG

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On 12 Jan 2005 18:18:25 GMT, (Huge) wrote:



He takes a bicycle, so always stands beside it.

Occupying the space of three people while paying for one.

What if we all did it. Tovarich? ;-)

Did you have a point? What was it?

It was the sort of remonstration that used to be administered by the
local commissar/block soviet when a comrade had made the minor
infraction of taking more than his share of a communal resource despite
the fact that it was not necessarily 100% utilised.

All right then. The thought of *all* the passengers on a train into
Waterloo (say) taking a bicycle on the train with them amused me.

DG

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Huge wrote:
Mike Bristow writes:
wrote:
Another ivory tower commentator. I have never known anybody who does
long commutes by choice.

They all do.

The fact that long distance commuters consider the alternatives
unpalatable does not negate the fact that they made a choice not
to move closer to work, get a job closer to home or work in the
first place.

I suppose if the point of this debate is pedantic hair-splitting,

The point of my comment was that you are the master of your own
destiny. Blaming your long distance commute on anyone other than
yourself seems to be an attempt to blame "them" for things that
only you can control.

then you're right. Meanwhile, in the real world, I think you'll
find that most long-distance commuters are between a rock and
a hard place.

Yes. But it's up to you to pick the rock ;-)

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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In message , Huge
writes
I find cyclists on trains less than amusing.

How do you regard those of us who take folding bikes, such as the
Brompton?

(See http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk if you're unsure of what I'm on
about.)

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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Huge wrote:
Ian Jelf writes:
In message , Huge

writes
I find cyclists on trains less than amusing.

How do you regard those of us who take folding bikes, such as the
Brompton?

As long as it's in it's bag, why not?

What I object to is those who are permitted to take something on the
train that is sharp and dirty and takes up the room of two people for
free, merely because it happens to be a bicycle.

Typical! This unashamed 4x4 user is now cycle bashing.

--
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www.zing.icom43.net
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In message , Huge
writes
Ian Jelf writes:
In message , Huge
writes
I find cyclists on trains less than amusing.

How do you regard those of us who take folding bikes, such as the
Brompton?

As long as it's in it's bag, why not?
Yes, I always keep mine in the bag, if only to avoid questions about it!
:-)

That said, I've never actually taken mine on a deep-level tube, only on
the sub surface lines. Plenty of other people do though (usually
without bags, although the Brompton folds so well that projecting "sharp
bits" aren't as much of a problem as you might think).
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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Huge wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

In reply to me:
He takes a bicycle, so always stands beside it.

Occupying the space of three people while paying for one.


No, using the space provided by the TOC for that purpose.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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Derek * wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

All right then. The thought of *all* the passengers on a train into
Waterloo (say) taking a bicycle on the train with them amused me.

Which is why you aren't allowed to take bikes on London-bound trains in
the morning peak, nor on country-bound trains in the evening one. Off
peak, or reverse commuting, there's no problem.

Anyway, if more than the 3 or so people who do take bikes on the train
did so regularly, I expect the TOCs would provide space for more than
about 3 bikes.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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Huge wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

I find cyclists on trains less than amusing.

I wonder whether you find *any* form of transport legitimate, except
perhaps your own private car?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 13 Jan 2005:

Trains are designed to carry people, not arrogant, self-centered
cyclists.

Who are not people?

Still, at least my husband and his cohorts don't have to travel in the
guards' van now that the TOC have brought in modern trains with
dedicated cycle space - until last year, it was stand in the guards van
for 30 minutes twice a day. And he STILL preferred it to driving.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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Mrs Redboots wrote:
Trains are designed to carry people, not arrogant, self-centered
cyclists.
Who are not people?

Bicycles are not people. And arrogant, self-centered cyclists like Duhg
are borderline.

Mark

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JohnB wrote:
FWIW neither is luggage, coats, or pushchairs

Indeed, the people who get on a train with fifteen suitcases and stack
them by the doors are just as annoying. But they're relatively rare
compared to cyclists.

Mark

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In article ,
wrote:
It just shows the utter contempt which most people have for cycles and
their riders which is fully justified in my opinion . When cyclists
begin to observe the laws relating to the use of UK roads


It's annoying when cyclists jump red lights, or cycle without lights,
or whatever. I certainly grumble about it. But if you are going
to pretend for a minute that motorists don't routinely break the
lay relating to the use of UK roads, I'm going to be a bit rude about
your observational skills.

(I'm merrily ignoring the cost argument, because I don't have any
data to back up my gut feelings)

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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On 13 Jan 2005 08:09:11 -0800, wrote:

Bicycles are not people.

No, they are luggage, which oddly enough is permitted as well.

I understand why they are banned in the peak - but on quieter off-peak
services they are just taking up unused space. Why *not* carry them?

Neil

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:06 +0000, wrote:

It just shows the utter contempt which most people have for cycles and
their riders which is fully justified in my opinion . When cyclists
begin to observe the laws relating to the use of UK roads and have to
pay the same amounts of money that ALL other uses have to pay then I
may just have a little more time for them .

I agree with the first point, and I'd like to point out that, as a
cyclist, I do obey traffic lights etc, use lights when it is dark and
do not ride on the pavement. It is noticeable how many do not, mind.

As for paying for the use of the road, to fit with the existing road
tax system it'd have to be in proportion to the damage caused by the
vehicle to the road (infinitessimally small) and the pollution emitted
while in use (that'd be none). I suspect that any charge would be so
small it wouldn't be worth collecting it.

Neil

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