Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?

B2003

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Boltar wrote:
The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?


There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of pointwork on
the approach. The first set is the crossover to the west/south bound and the
second is a connection to the Northern Line. The latter comes out on the
City branch just south of Euston.

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Brimstone wrote:
Boltar wrote:
The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?


There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of
pointwork on the approach. The first set is the crossover to the
west/south bound and the second is a connection to the Northern
Line. The latter comes out on the City branch just south of Euston.

Has the speed limit been increased? It used to be 10 mph there.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Richard J. wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Boltar wrote:
The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?


There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of
pointwork on the approach. The first set is the crossover to the
west/south bound and the second is a connection to the Northern
Line. The latter comes out on the City branch just south of Euston.

Has the speed limit been increased? It used to be 10 mph there.

It may be that my reference is out of date and it has been further reduced.

Perhaps a current T/Op will be along soon to confirm the exact figure.
However, we are in agreement that the reason for the slow entry is a severe
speed restriction on the approach.

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Brimstone wrote:
It may be that my reference is out of date and it has been further
reduced.

Perhaps a current T/Op will be along soon to confirm the exact
figure.
However, we are in agreement that the reason for the slow entry is a
severe
speed restriction on the approach.

Why the restriction in the first place though? Is it knackered track or
something? I saw them replacing track there last year , surely they'd
have
done this at the same time? If its not then whats so special about
these
sets of points?

B2003

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

On 14 Jan 2005 02:49:40 -0800, "Boltar" wrote:

The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?

There is a speed restriction due, I understand but would need to
confirm, to the condition of the track on the junction work. Plans are
in place to fully replace the junction and remove the restriction thus
restoring line speed. We are waiting for a confirmed date as to when the
work will be done but the last estimate said it was due in about 4-8
weeks. I'll post the planned date when we get the update.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
On 14 Jan 2005 02:49:40 -0800, "Boltar" wrote:

The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?

There is a speed restriction due, I understand but would need to
confirm, to the condition of the track on the junction work. Plans are
in place to fully replace the junction and remove the restriction thus
restoring line speed. We are waiting for a confirmed date as to when the
work will be done but the last estimate said it was due in about 4-8
weeks. I'll post the planned date when we get the update.

On a similar theme but a different line and place (but at least still
almost on-topic as it is another JNP (aka Tube Lines) operation) why is
the Northern Line approach southbound into Old Street made so slowly?

Bob.
--
Bob Adams - email address:

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:13:04 +0000, Bob Adams wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
On 14 Jan 2005 02:49:40 -0800, "Boltar" wrote:

The piccadilly trains seem to run very slowly into the northbound
platform at Kings X and its been like that for years. Anyone know
the reason?

There is a speed restriction due, I understand but would need to
confirm, to the condition of the track on the junction work. Plans are
in place to fully replace the junction and remove the restriction thus
restoring line speed. We are waiting for a confirmed date as to when the
work will be done but the last estimate said it was due in about 4-8
weeks. I'll post the planned date when we get the update.

On a similar theme but a different line and place (but at least still
almost on-topic as it is another JNP (aka Tube Lines) operation) why is
the Northern Line approach southbound into Old Street made so slowly?

There are also track and signal related problems there. There are also
issues with the tunnel lining. This is a long standing issue and goes
back years. There is a big piece of work going on at the moment and a
substantive fix is to implemented soon to get rid of the restrictions
and risk of signal failures. A lot of this goes back to how the line
was constructed.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:32:36 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:


There are also track and signal related problems there. There are also
issues with the tunnel lining. This is a long standing issue and goes
back years. There is a big piece of work going on at the moment and a
substantive fix is to implemented soon to get rid of the restrictions
and risk of signal failures. A lot of this goes back to how the line
was constructed.

--
Paul C

Whilst we're on this section of Northern Line, could abyone please
tell me why, between Angel & Old Street the train seems to traverse
over a hollow sounding section of trackbed, making a noise similar to
traversing a viaduct or girder bridge.

Is there something below the tunnel lining to generate such a hollow
sound?

Nigel

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Nigel wrote:

Whilst we're on this section of Northern Line, could abyone please
tell me why, between Angel & Old Street the train seems to traverse
over a hollow sounding section of trackbed, making a noise similar to
traversing a viaduct or girder bridge.

Is there something below the tunnel lining to generate such a hollow
sound?

No.

You're passing through City Road station.

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

In message , Richard J.
writes

There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of
pointwork on the approach. The first set is the crossover to the
west/south bound and the second is a connection to the Northern
Line. The latter comes out on the City branch just south of Euston.

Has the speed limit been increased? It used to be 10 mph there.

It still is 10, ever since I passed out at least which is 3 years ago.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

I'm glad someone pointed out how long its ben in place.

"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message , Richard J.
writes

There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of
pointwork on the approach. The first set is the crossover to the
west/south bound and the second is a connection to the Northern
Line. The latter comes out on the City branch just south of Euston.

Has the speed limit been increased? It used to be 10 mph there.

It still is 10, ever since I passed out at least which is 3 years ago.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Slow northbound picc into Kings X
 

Malcolm & Nika wrote:
"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message ,
Richard J. writes

There's a twenty mile an hour speed restriction over two set of
pointwork on the approach. The first set is the crossover to the
west/south bound and the second is a connection to the Northern
Line. The latter comes out on the City branch just south of Euston.

Has the speed limit been increased? It used to be 10 mph there.

It still is 10, ever since I passed out at least which is 3 years
ago. --

I'm glad someone pointed out how long its ben in place.


It was 20 in 1956 and stayed that way until 1984. Sometime between then and
SF joining the job (2001/2?) it was dropped to 10.