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I feel like another moan. Here goes.

At the moment, Oyster cards are completly useless. I am a University
student, and once or twice a week take a trip from Putney or
Hammersmith into Central. With Oyster it costs me 80p or £1 to get the
bus to either of these two stations, and a further £1.80 - £2 (or
something) for the two Tube singles. I am also highly likely to need a
bus or further single when in the capital. This brings me up to well
over £6

Why on earth can't the LU fascists get their act together and make sure
if i spend over £4.70 (a student z123456 day travelcard) it defaults
to a "day travelcard mode" and dosnt slap any more unnessesery fee's on
the Oyster.

Question: The Technology is already here (with the system knowing when
and where we have traveled and how much we have paid), why can't they
just enable this feature to save us a wadd of cash
Sorry if i'm getting boring with the moans
Dan

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StaticFish ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

I am a University student

the LU fascists
if i spend
dosnt slap any more unnessesery fee's on
wadd of cash
Sorry if i'm getting boring with the moans

Somehow, I don't doubt that you're a student for one second...

Proof, if more were needed, that academic standards are not what they were.

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Thanks for the useful and informative reply Adrian.

I understand that you maybe feeling a little agreived that you are no
longer of student age, and bladder holding age, but please try and be a
little less condescending in future

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And remember the Queens English is a constantly evolving thing......Try
reading Sammy Pepys original script and comparing it to....hmmmmm lets see
now......Salman Rushdie perhaps...and see how ye go ??

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StaticFish wrote:
I feel like another moan. Here goes.

At the moment, Oyster cards are completly useless. I am a University
student, and once or twice a week take a trip from Putney or
Hammersmith into Central. With Oyster it costs me 80p or £1 to get
the bus to either of these two stations, and a further £1.80 - £2
(or something) for the two Tube singles. I am also highly likely to
need a bus or further single when in the capital. This brings me up
to well over £6

So why not buy a day Travelcard on your Oyster at your local ticket
agent before you start your journey?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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"Alek" wrote in message
...

And remember the Queens English is a constantly evolving thing

That's as maybe, but in the case of the OP, it is a constantly *wrong*
thing!

Ian

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The nearest newsagents is a long way from my Univeristy in Roehampton
Lane.

You can stick a day student travelcard onto an oyster card? I didn't
know about this. You certainly can't do this at the top up machines.

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In article .com,
StaticFish wrote:
Why on earth can't the LU fascists get their act together and make sure
if i spend over £4.70 (a student z123456 day travelcard) it defaults
to a "day travelcard mode" and dosnt slap any more unnessesery fee's on
the Oyster.

Question: The Technology is already here (with the system knowing when
and where we have traveled and how much we have paid), why can't they
just enable this feature to save us a wadd of cash

They plan to, when the feature works!

Of course, it's just a Small Matter Of Programming, so I'm sure it'll be along
any decade now.

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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"StaticFish" wrote the following in:
ups.com

The nearest newsagents is a long way from my Univeristy in Roehampton
Lane.

You can stick a day student travelcard onto an oyster card? I didn't
know about this. You certainly can't do this at the top up machines.

I didn't think there was any such thing as a student day travelcard.
Why do you think there is?

--
message by Robin May. That egotism was getting old.

http://robinmay.fotopic.net

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1) You can't get a student day travelcard. The TFL student card lets
you get 7day and longer travelcards at the "discount" rate although if
you buy an annual "discount" travelcard you don't get the gold card
benefits

2) The University of Roehampton is not really a university it's a
renamed teaching college

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wrote:
1) You can't get a student day travelcard. The TFL student card lets
you get 7day and longer travelcards at the "discount" rate although
if
you buy an annual "discount" travelcard you don't get the gold card
benefits

2) The University of Roehampton is not really a university it's a
renamed teaching college

1) Yes you can as of this year. It's an all zone £4.80 with a young
persons railcard being shown

2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute, but as of
around 2000 it has University status. I do a computer programing
course. A seperate cambus from the teaching section. so Shhh

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On 16 Jan 2005 10:30:23 -0800, wrote:

1) You can't get a student day travelcard. The TFL student card lets
you get 7day and longer travelcards at the "discount" rate although if
you buy an annual "discount" travelcard you don't get the gold card
benefits

2) The University of Roehampton is not really a university it's a
renamed teaching college

There isn't a University of Roehampton.

There is Roehampton College, University of Surrey. A glorified
teaching college....

--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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And as of September last year, The University of Roehampton has become
completly seperate from the University of Surrey

Robert Woolley wrote:
On 16 Jan 2005 10:30:23 -0800, wrote:

1) You can't get a student day travelcard. The TFL student card
lets
you get 7day and longer travelcards at the "discount" rate although
if
you buy an annual "discount" travelcard you don't get the gold card
benefits

2) The University of Roehampton is not really a university it's a
renamed teaching college

There isn't a University of Roehampton.

There is Roehampton College, University of Surrey. A glorified
teaching college....

--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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StaticFish ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute
A seperate cambus

If you're seriously studying programming, then all I can say is it's a
bloody good job visual development environments mean that there's no need
to learn syntax and case-sensitivity. Unbelievable.

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Oh no! The grammar police "Adrian" has arrived.

You may want to check this out Ade
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/w...grammarian.htm

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"StaticFish" wrote in message
oups.com...

seperate

*chuckle*

Ian

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StaticFish ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Oh no! The grammar police "Adrian" has arrived.

You may want to check this out Ade
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/w...grammarian.htm

There's a subtle difference between "minor errors" and functional
illiteracy.

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Robin May wrote:
"StaticFish" wrote the following in:
ups.com


The nearest newsagents is a long way from my Univeristy in Roehampton
Lane.

You can stick a day student travelcard onto an oyster card? I didn't
know about this. You certainly can't do this at the top up machines.


I didn't think there was any such thing as a student day travelcard.
Why do you think there is?

All-zones ODTC with a Young Persons Railcard discount.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:37 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote:

Robin May wrote:

I didn't think there was any such thing as a student day travelcard.
Why do you think there is?

All-zones ODTC with a Young Persons Railcard discount.

Surely you don't need to be student to get one of those (unless you
want to buy the Y-P railcard when you are over 26)?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:37 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Robin May wrote:


I didn't think there was any such thing as a student day travelcard.
Why do you think there is?

All-zones ODTC with a Young Persons Railcard discount.


Surely you don't need to be student to get one of those (unless you
want to buy the Y-P railcard when you are over 26)?

True... but that's what the OP meant.
The YP ODTC (Z1-D) was (last year) the same price as a normal Z1-4
travelcard. Not sure what's happened this year - in another thread
someone reckoned it had been axed.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Dave Arquati wrote:

All-zones ODTC with a Young Persons Railcard discount.

Wow, I didn't realize you could do this. And for just 10p more than a
R12 ODTC too. Can you do the same with the 3-day Travelcard?
--
Michael Hoffman

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StaticFish wrote:
The nearest newsagents is a long way from my Univeristy in Roehampton
Lane.

Everest Convenience Stores, 2-3 Aubyn Square, Roehampton Lane, SW15 5NT

Just up the road. Found using http://www.tfl-ticketlocator.co.uk/.

HTH

--
Mark Etherington

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StaticFish wrote:

2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute, but as of
around 2000 it has University status. I do a computer programing
course. A seperate cambus from the teaching section. so Shhh

My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them degree
awarding powers.

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It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an arrogant
arse-hole

wrote:
StaticFish wrote:

2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute, but as
of
around 2000 it has University status. I do a computer programing
course. A seperate cambus from the teaching section. so Shhh

My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour
devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them degree
awarding powers.

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Michael Hoffman wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

All-zones ODTC with a Young Persons Railcard discount.

Wow, I didn't realize you could do this. And for just 10p more than a
R12 ODTC too. Can you do the same with the 3-day Travelcard?

I'm not sure... I'd guess not, but I don't really have any evidence for
that.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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StaticFish wrote:
It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an
arrogant
arse-hole


Yes it is a degree and yes Roehampton does seem to be one of the better
new universities (number 64 in the times online league tables)

The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton are
only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A level)

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On 16 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0800, wrote:
My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them degree
awarding powers.

I think there was a devaluation, but rather it was the poly degrees
that were adversely affected, when the CNAA was done away with. A big
name university may have been around for long enough to build trust in
the degrees, but what about the new universities that were created?

I'm not ashamed one bit of my poly education, at an institute that was
founded before the University of London. Sadly it did not include
Internet smileys, and educate me about which one to use for a tongue
sticking out. (Though even more off-topic, Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon says that the first emoticon
was used in a newspaper ad in 1953.)

Richard.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:34:22, StaticFish wrote:

It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an arrogant
arse-hole

As much use as an 11-plus these days. :(

In the days when the top 8% of A-level candidates got an A, and the top
10% of Uni entrants escaped with a First, employers could reasonably
decide those who could 'cut the mustard' out of any one year's
prospective employees.

With at least 50% getting a blanket 'In the top echelon' badge these
days, no wonder there is some cynicism abroad.


What's worse, there seems very little vocational training available for
14+ year-olds who are not academic. This maybe why we have so many
chavs on the streets, and such a paucity of trained engineers (lowercase
to stop offending some IEEE members) / mechanics / technicians / etc.

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)

Always learning.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:18:28, wrote:


StaticFish wrote:
It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an
arrogant
arse-hole


Yes it is a degree and yes Roehampton does seem to be one of the better
new universities (number 64 in the times online league tables)

The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton are
only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A level)

That'll be a D and two E's in 1970 O-Level terms then. :(

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)

Always learning.

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Jim Crowther wrote the
following in:

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:18:28, wrote:


StaticFish wrote:
It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an
arrogant
arse-hole


Yes it is a degree and yes Roehampton does seem to be one of the
better new universities (number 64 in the times online league
tables)

The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton
are only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A
level)

That'll be a D and two E's in 1970 O-Level terms then. :(

Ah yes, qualifications don't mean anything, blah blah blah. The world
we live in is very different now than it was in the 1970s. If a person
from the 70s were to travel through time and find themself in 2005, I
doubt they'd be able to do much of any use no matter what grades they
got. The world changes. Move with it.

--
message by Robin May. That egotism was getting old.

http://robinmay.fotopic.net

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:24:03, Robin May wrote:

The world changes. Move with it.

Quite, so stop the politicos from ****ing about with the perceived value
of academic (or vocational) qualifications then.

Totally OT, so FU to poster

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)

Always learning.

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In message , at 15:43:57 on Sun,
16 Jan 2005, Mike Bristow remarked:
Of course, it's just a Small Matter Of Programming, so I'm sure it'll be along
any decade now.

Apparently they are training some more programmers at Roehampton.
--
Roland Perry

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:50:14 +0000, Tom Cordiner
wrote:

Most of this 'devaluation' was done in 1992 by the Conservative
government. The Further and Higher Education Act (1992) granted
university status to most of the national network of polytechnics and
colleges.

Despite being a Cambridge snob (!) I was under the impression
Roehamption was one of the better new universities?

Perhaps.

The thing that annoys me about it is not the "devaluation" of degrees,
but the fact that what were superb polytechnics, teaching hands-on
subjects to those to whom normal academia was unsuited, turned in many
cases into second-rate universities. This killed off a vital source
of vocational training, and has partly lead to the shortage of skills
like building, plumbing and electrical.

The idea that the polys were just second-rate universities, and not
something different and equally valid, contributed to this damage.

I think we may well be the only country in Europe that did this. The
Technische Universitaeten in Germany seem much more highly respected
as they are, for very good reason.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

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On 16 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0800, wrote:



My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them degree
awarding powers.

Wrong on rather a lot of counts. The former polys were renamed as
universities in 1992, so that was a Conservative, not Labour, move.
The renaming had nothing to do with devaluing degrees, since the polys
had been degree-awarding institutions for a very long time before
that. And the 1992 changes had nothing at all to do with Roehampton.
It used to be an institute of higher education, then became part of
the University of Surrey, and recently because a University in its own
right.

Martin

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Thanks for the support Tom. Yes, infact Roehampton has *very good*
position in the academic league tables (present first year company
excluded) ;-)

Dan

Tom Cordiner wrote:
wrote:
StaticFish wrote:


2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute, but as
of
around 2000 it has University status. I do a computer programing
course. A seperate cambus from the teaching section. so Shhh


My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour
devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them
degree
awarding powers.

Most of this 'devaluation' was done in 1992 by the Conservative
government. The Further and Higher Education Act (1992) granted
university status to most of the national network of polytechnics and

colleges.

Despite being a Cambridge snob (!) I was under the impression
Roehamption was one of the better new universities?

Tom

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Robin May wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 17 Jan 2005:


Ah yes, qualifications don't mean anything, blah blah blah. The world
we live in is very different now than it was in the 1970s. If a person
from the 70s were to travel through time and find themself in 2005, I
doubt they'd be able to do much of any use no matter what grades they
got. The world changes. Move with it.

And some of us who did just that - the usual way, one day at a time -
can't do much with it anyway!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

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Jim Crowther wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 17 Jan 2005:

What's worse, there seems very little vocational training available for
14+ year-olds who are not academic. This maybe why we have so
many chavs on the streets, and such a paucity of trained engineers
(lowercase to stop offending some IEEE members) / mechanics /
technicians / etc.

Actually, there is the excellent NVQ scheme, which starts of at about
GCSE standard and goes up to the equivalent of degree standard. Sadly,
it's perceived as inferior to GCSEs, in spite of one NVQ being deemed
equivalent to 3 of them (which causes much sucking of teeth by Disgusted
of Tunbridge Wells, as you can imagine), and the on-the-job training,
which is such a valuable part of the NVQ training is not, of course,
available to 14-year-olds.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005