In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Paul Cummins wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:


How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.


Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

It's a bit silly to count both directions... not many people turn up at
a station and get on the first train that's going anywhere.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Peter Smyth wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...


4tph is also the off-peak frequency to London at Richmond, Ealing
Broadway (District) and Rickmansworth outwards. I accept that that's a
small proportion of stations.


Richmond and Ealing Broadway both have 6tph off-peak. Rickmansworth -
Amersham has 6tph if you include the Chilterns. The only stations of LU
with less than 6tph are Chesham (2tph), Woodford-Hainault (3tph),
Kensington Olympia and Mill Hill East (4tph), New Cross and New Cross
Gate (5tph each).

My apologies about Richmond and Ealing - I didn't check beforehand. But
Rickmansworth only has 4tph direct to central London between 10am and 3pm
weekdays, including the Chilterns - Met departures are at xx00 and xx30,
Chilterns at xx10 and xx40.


You must be looking at an out of date timetable. It has been 4+2tph for at
least a year - see
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/first...oundWTT318.pdf

Looking further I see that the TfL Interactive Map http://map.tfl.gov.uk
gives the times you quote from a timetable poster dated 29/09/02. In fact
none of the timetables on the map seem to have been updated for some time.

That's where I was. The newer frequency is a pretty good boost.

It's quite impressive that at only 8 stations out of 275 do you have to
wait more than 10 minutes for a train.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:

Paul Cummins wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

It's a bit silly to count both directions... not many people turn up at
a station and get on the first train that's going anywhere.

Except at termini. And Penge.

tom

--
Michael Jackson had that idea back in the 80s. There was even a ride at Disneyland.

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:


Paul Cummins wrote:

In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:


How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

It's a bit silly to count both directions... not many people turn up at
a station and get on the first train that's going anywhere.


Except at termini. And Penge.

I'm not going to turn up at Victoria and get on the first train that's
going anywhere. I might be innocently trying to get to Wandsworth Road,
and end up in Brighton instead.

Why do you get on the first train at Penge? Is Penge really so bad you
want to escape as soon as possible? :-)

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:

Paul Cummins wrote:

In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

How do you work that out? Seems to be 6 to me, 2 to Victoria via
Crystal Palace, 2 to Caterham and 2 to Sutton.

Then 6 to London Brodge as well...

It's a bit silly to count both directions... not many people turn up at
a station and get on the first train that's going anywhere.

Except at termini. And Penge.

I'm not going to turn up at Victoria and get on the first train that's
going anywhere.

I was thinking of tube termini (Walthamstow, Cockfosters, etc), where
there's only one direction - i did express it rather badly, though. And
places like Morden and Uxbridge don't work anyway.

Why do you get on the first train at Penge? Is Penge really so bad you
want to escape as soon as possible? :-)

Yes.

tom

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In Milan, [traffic lights] are instructions, in Rome suggestions, and in Naples Christmas decorations. -- James Dowden

I think a 15 minute interval is just enough to qualify - after all,
given that the average wait should be 7.5mins, that's just enough
time
at the big terminals to buy a ticket and find the platform if
you're
unfamilar with the place.

I think worst-case time is more important than average - i want to
know
i'm not going to have to wait longer than a given time.

In Putney theres a sign advertising up to 6 trains per hour (off peak)
to Waterloo. Thats fine except on a Sunday when all 6 trains leave
between ten to and twenty past

In message .com,
writes

In Putney theres a sign advertising up to 6 trains per hour (off peak)
to Waterloo.

Its often much more than that (according to the TFL map mentioned near
the start of this thread, Putney has a daytime service of 10 trains an
hour to Waterloo and the SWT timetable says every 5-8 minutes).

It must be more than 6 during weekday off-peaks (which is the main
measure) since there are 2 Kingston loopers, 2 ex-Staines, 2 Hounslow
loopers and 2 Windsor fasts - there are also Reading fasts, although
some don't stop at Putney off-peak, AFAIR.

Thats fine except on a Sunday when all 6 trains leave between ten to
and twenty past

According to the timetable they are typically 2, 14, 19, 32, 48 and 56
minutes past - but Sunday travel is often disrupted by engineering, and
especially on that line at present.

I don't particularly want to defend the often ghastly SWT, but the
services on the Richmond line are actually very good in the main - I
often use it in preference to the overcrowded Piccadilly line.

--
Paul Terry

On 22 Jan 2005 wrote:

I think a 15 minute interval is just enough to qualify - after all,
given that the average wait should be 7.5mins, that's just enough
time at the big terminals to buy a ticket and find the platform if
you're unfamilar with the place.

I think worst-case time is more important than average - i want to
know i'm not going to have to wait longer than a given time.

In Putney theres a sign advertising up to 6 trains per hour (off peak)
to Waterloo. Thats fine except on a Sunday when all 6 trains leave
between ten to and twenty past

Bingo. A heinous act of schedulecrime.

tom

--
if you can't beat them, build them

In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:

It's quite impressive that at only 8 stations out of 275 do you have to
wait more than 10 minutes for a train.

In theory at least!

--
Colin Rosenstiel