White City station on Hammermith & City
 

I notice that there is some activity around the proposed site for the new
White City station on the Hammersmith & City line.
Does anyone know if they are starting work on this, and what the lkely
completion date is?

Also - any news on the new Shepherds Bush station on the West London line?

Slim

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

Slim wrote:
I notice that there is some activity around the proposed site for the
new
White City station on the Hammersmith & City line.
Does anyone know if they are starting work on this, and what the
lkely
completion date is?

Also - any news on the new Shepherds Bush station on the West London
line?

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/24 and links therefrom. As I
understand it this is all going to be going live 'Summer 2005'. Network
maps in tube stations already show Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush
WLL stations as '* opening summer 2005'.

I think yesterday's "Homes and Property" supplement to the Standard
included a couple of pages on the White City project.

--
Larry Lard
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Larry Lard wrote:

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/24 and links therefrom. As I
understand it this is all going to be going live 'Summer 2005'.
Network maps in tube stations already show Imperial Wharf and
Shepherds
Bush WLL stations as '* opening summer 2005'.

Hmmm.

The WLL station will be long enough for four-car trains, due to the
constraints of the signalling. I also wonder how much of a constraint
there will be on pathing freights and 377/Xs around the 313s stopping
at the station.

No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

TheOneKEA wrote:
Larry Lard wrote:

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/24 and links therefrom. As
I
understand it this is all going to be going live 'Summer 2005'.
Network maps in tube stations already show Imperial Wharf and
Shepherds
Bush WLL stations as '* opening summer 2005'.

Hmmm.

The WLL station will be long enough for four-car trains, due to the
constraints of the signalling. I also wonder how much of a constraint
there will be on pathing freights and 377/Xs around the 313s stopping
at the station.

I think there's definitely 'somwthing being done' to the WLL, as it's
my understanding that when these new stations open the Silverlink WLL
shuttle is having a 50% service increase! (from 2 to 3 trains per
hour).

Mostly stuff I've picked up here, so I'm sure someone definitive will
be along soon...

--
Larry Lard
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White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In article .com,
TheOneKEA writes
No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.
--
Tom

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In message , thoss
writes

In article .com,
TheOneKEA writes

No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.

No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959 was on
the Central Line. The new station is on the Hammersmith and City - so it
is in no way a replacement.

--
Paul Terry

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

"thoss" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
TheOneKEA writes
No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.

That's correct, although I don't know about the fire causing closure.

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

thoss wrote:

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.

Not quite. The H&CR station entitled White City was closed after WWII
ended, apparently due to bomb damage.

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , thoss
writes

In article .com,
TheOneKEA writes


No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.


I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.


No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959 was on
the Central Line. The new station is on the Hammersmith and City - so it
is in no way a replacement.

Clive believes differently:
http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/hammersmith.html

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

TheOneKEA wrote:
thoss wrote:

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which
closed following a fire in 1959.

Not quite. The H&CR station entitled White City was closed after
WWII ended, apparently due to bomb damage.

The H&CR station closed in 1959, 14 years after WW2 ended. According to
Hywel Williams's site[1], closure followed a fire on one of the wooden
platforms.

[1] http://www.starfury.demon.co.uk/uground/woodlane.html

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

Dave Arquati wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , thoss
writes

In article
.com,
TheOneKEA writes


No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems
to me that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would
be useful if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is
dependent on how easily Hammersmith station can be modified).
Even if the trains will never be longer, having a platform
bigger than your train makes the T/Op's life much less stressful.


I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which
closed following a fire in 1959.


No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959
was on the Central Line. The new station is on the Hammersmith and
City - so it is in no way a replacement.

Clive believes differently:
http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/hammersmith.html

So do I, as I remember White City H&C (then Metropolitan) disappearing
from the Tube maps around 1960. Compare
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebi...tube/1960.html with
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1963.html

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...

Even if the trains will never be longer,
having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

.... and the passengers' lives more stressful.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

John Rowland wrote:
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...

Even if the trains will never be longer,
having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

... and the passengers' lives more stressful.

How so? No one on the Wimbledon branch seems to mind.

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...
John Rowland wrote:
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...

Even if the trains will never be longer,
having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

... and the passengers' lives more stressful.

How so?

Because they wouldn't know where to stand until the train stops.

No one on the Wimbledon branch seems to mind.

That's because the drivers of the shorter trains carefully stop at the foot
entrance end of every platform. If they treated long platforms as an easy
target on which they can lazily stop anywhere, the passengers would mind.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In article , Paul Terry
writes
No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959 was on
the Central Line.

And the station on the Central Line in a cutting with two island
platforms, three tracks, and right-hand running is called ...?

--
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White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , thoss
writes

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.
No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959 was
on the Central Line. The new station is on the Hammersmith and City -
so it is in no way a replacement.

Clive believes differently:
http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/hammersmith.html

Ah, of course. I'd forgotten that the old H&C Wood Lane got renamed
White City for a while. My mistake.

--
Paul Terry

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:56:27 -0000, John Rowland
wrote:

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...
John Rowland wrote:
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
oups.com...

Even if the trains will never be longer,
having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

... and the passengers' lives more stressful.

How so?

Because they wouldn't know where to stand until the train stops.

No one on the Wimbledon branch seems to mind.

That's because the drivers of the shorter trains carefully stop at the
foot
entrance end of every platform. If they treated long platforms as an easy
target on which they can lazily stop anywhere, the passengers would mind.


Ah, so basically they need car stop marks?

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:03:26 +0000, Clive D. W. Feather
wrote:

In article , Paul Terry
writes
No. The White City station that closed following a fire in 1959 was on
the Central Line.

And the station on the Central Line in a cutting with two island
platforms, three tracks, and right-hand running is called ...?


"Oh, arse, I need to change here because they've turned the train round
early".

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

Paul Terry wrote in message ...
In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Ah, of course. I'd forgotten that the old H&C Wood Lane got renamed
White City for a while. My mistake.

Is the new station on the same site as the old one?

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In article , Brimstone
writes

"thoss" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
TheOneKEA writes
No mention is made of how long the H&CR station will be - seems to me
that making it seven (or eight!) cars instead of six would be useful
if/when the new SSL stock comes on the scene (this is dependent on how
easily Hammersmith station can be modified). Even if the trains will
never be longer, having a platform bigger than your train makes the
T/Op's life much less stressful.

I suppose this is a replacement for White City station, which closed
following a fire in 1959.

That's correct, although I don't know about the fire causing closure.

From Edwin Course's "London Railways" (1962):

'The West London and Central Line are crossed over and immediately
beyond Wood Lane [i.e. to the west] is the site of the White City
Station. This was opened in 1908 as Wood Lane (Exhibition) to serve the
White City Exhibition [Wasn't this the Franco-British Exposition, only
acquiring the nickname White City later because of all the glittering
white exhibition buildings?]. It was retained as a normal station until
1914 when, on the opening of a new Shepherd's Bush Station only 300
yards to the south, its use was restricted to special occasions (35) [Is
he suggesting that there were a total of only 35 such occasions?]. In
1947 it was renamed White City; in 1959, being a wooden station, it
suffered badly in a fire and was finally demolished in 1961. The only
memorial to be seen from the line is a variation in the brickwork of the
viaduct parapet.'

Forgive the delay, but I have tried twice before to post this message
and both times it has not appeared. Third time lucky???
--
Thoss

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In message , Stephen
Furley writes

Paul Terry wrote in message
...
In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Ah, of course. I'd forgotten that the old H&C Wood Lane got renamed
White City for a while. My mistake.

Is the new station on the same site as the old one?

No - the old station was on the west side of Wood Lane, whereas the
White City development is on the east side.

--
Paul Terry

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:15:03 +0000, thoss wrote:

From Edwin Course's "London Railways" (1962):

'The West London and Central Line are crossed over and immediately
beyond Wood Lane [i.e. to the west] is the site of the White City
Station. This was opened in 1908 as Wood Lane (Exhibition) to serve the
White City Exhibition [Wasn't this the Franco-British Exposition, only
acquiring the nickname White City later because of all the glittering
white exhibition buildings?]. It was retained as a normal station until
1914 when, on the opening of a new Shepherd's Bush Station only 300
yards to the south, its use was restricted to special occasions (35) [Is
he suggesting that there were a total of only 35 such occasions?].

No, the 35 refers to figure 35 (a photo taken from Shepherds Bush
showing White City stn in use).
--
Peter Lawrence

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:35:33 +0000, Paul Terry wrote:
No - the old station was on the west side of Wood Lane, whereas the
White City development is on the east side.

West side? Where the TVC Carpark is? There's not much room between the
north of the present day Shepherds Bush H&C (of course in those days
Shepherds Bush H&C was South of its current position and North of Goldhawk
road)

Put all the stations from past, present and future, and you'd have a
practically continuous platform running from Goldhawk Road to Ladbrooke
Grove!

--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

White City station on Hammermith & City
 

In article , Paul Weaver
writes
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:35:33 +0000, Paul Terry wrote:
No - the old station was on the west side of Wood Lane, whereas the
White City development is on the east side.

West side? Where the TVC Carpark is?

Yes. Between the car park and the main TV Centre.
--
Thoss