Neil Williams wrote:

Because it wouldn't be a true ODTC, because you couldn't use it on
National Rail.

Had the LT Card survived, that might have been of use for this, but I
don't see why anyone would buy one as ODTCs, certainly off-peak, were
better value.

So another good case for TfL to take immediate control of National Rail
fares in London and harmonise them in line with the Tube (i.e. zonal and
not point to point).

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

It strikes me you might save money with Oyster PrePay, especially if you
travel at weekends or after 7pm, when the fares are much lower. You
really have to think ahead for each days travel, using the fares
leaflet, and then work out what will be cheapest. SORRY!

Fine, but plans do change especially if you're out for a day. Costing out
what might be the cheapest option in advance isn't always a practical
solution. And whilst TfL fares all come together in a nice easy to read
guide, nothing equivalent exists for the plethora of NR point to point
tickets prices covering the same area. Hence a ODTC is the ideal solution
in many cases.

PrePay capping is an obvious advantage, pay for what you've used with the
guarantee of not having to pay more than the cost of the ODTC. Unless of
course you use NR......

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Rich Mallard wrote:

Really?? What happens to our CDRs that are substantially cheaper during
off-peak periods during the daytime?

Isn't it best to have a level playing field right across the Capital when
it comes to a fares structure? CDRs don't exist on the buses, tube etc.,
why should those using NR within the Travelcard zones travel at reduced
costs?

On the trains I use, I see about half of the people passing through the
ticket barriers where I am (Bexley station) have grey NR season tickets, not
Travelcards.

Probably because most work close to London Bridge, Cannon Street etc. and
walk the rest of the way. Many probably drive from home to their local
station, pay exorbitant car parking charges when using a local bus and
paying the extra for a Travelcard might work out cheaper.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:35:47 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Why not, since you can use a period Travelcard on national rail, even if
this is on your Oyster? The suburban service ticket-checkers all have
Oyster readers for just this reason, and those stations within the
network that are gated have touch-in/out pads.

OK, I stand (sit?) corrected - I didn't think this was resolved yet.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Phil Richards wrote:

Rich Mallard wrote:

Really?? What happens to our CDRs that are substantially cheaper during
off-peak periods during the daytime?

Isn't it best to have a level playing field right across the Capital when
it comes to a fares structure? CDRs don't exist on the buses, tube etc.,
why should those using NR within the Travelcard zones travel at reduced
costs?

Maybe because the Tube system doesn't have the spare capacity to cope
with the passengers who currently walk from the NR station because of
the economic incentive to do so.

On the trains I use, I see about half of the people passing through the
ticket barriers where I am (Bexley station) have grey NR season tickets, not
Travelcards.

Probably because most work close to London Bridge, Cannon Street etc. and
walk the rest of the way. Many probably drive from home to their local
station, pay exorbitant car parking charges when using a local bus and
paying the extra for a Travelcard might work out cheaper.

Considering how bad some of the local bus services in Bexley are, I
doubt the cost has much effect on their decision to park and ride.

Aidan Stanger wrote:

Maybe because the Tube system doesn't have the spare capacity to cope
with the passengers who currently walk from the NR station because of
the economic incentive to do so.

If you're referring to season ticket holders then it's probably almost just
as quick to walk depending from the London station to the office or
whatever. Those coming into London Bridge, Cannon Street etc. are obvious
cases. Several of my colleagues commute in from the lines into Charing
Cross and walk from there to work which is mid-way between Piccadilly
Circus & Green Park. Currently they have point-to-point NR seasons.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Phil Richards wrote:

Aidan Stanger wrote:

Maybe because the Tube system doesn't have the spare capacity to cope
with the passengers who currently walk from the NR station because of
the economic incentive to do so.

If you're referring to season ticket holders then it's probably almost just
as quick to walk depending from the London station to the office or
whatever. Those coming into London Bridge, Cannon Street etc. are obvious
cases. Several of my colleagues commute in from the lines into Charing
Cross and walk from there to work which is mid-way between Piccadilly
Circus & Green Park. Currently they have point-to-point NR seasons.

That depends on where they work. Walking is quicker to some locations,
but there are many places people walk to even though it's slower.

Aidan Stanger wrote:

That depends on where they work. Walking is quicker to some locations,
but there are many places people walk to even though it's slower.

Personal choice and of course a brisk walk from the station to the office
and back in the evening is good for you anyway!

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...

It strikes me you might save money with Oyster
PrePay, especially if you travel at weekends or
after 7pm, when the fares are much lower. You
really have to think ahead for each days travel,
using the fares leaflet, and then work out what
will be cheapest. SORRY!

I thought the whole point of capping is that you *don't* have to think ahead
for each days travel, using the fares leaflet, and then work out what will
be cheapest.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Phil Richards wrote:
Aidan Stanger wrote:


That depends on where they work. Walking is quicker to some locations,
but there are many places people walk to even though it's slower.


Personal choice and of course a brisk walk from the station to the office
and back in the evening is good for you anyway!

The Tube magazine talked about how walking was a good idea from some
rail termini rather than a short Tube journey; one example was someone
arriving at King's Cross who used to catch the Tube to Russell Square
but now walks; another was someone arriving at Victoria who used to
catch the Tube to Knightsbridge (yes, changing at Green Park!!!!!).

The latter person needed a good whack around the head with a map, IMHO.
It's understandable when people unfamiliar with the city take the Tube
to locations which are within easy walking distance, but for a regular
commuter it's a bit daft.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London