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I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the
option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. TIA. |
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--- Pete said...
I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Hi, Pete. Stanstead is easier, because the station is part of the airport buildings. From Luton, you have to take a bus from the airport to the station. -- "The guests were -- like herself -- invisible! It appeared to be the worst story ever." -- MegaHal |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:57:07 +0100, "Pete" wrote:
I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Both airports have their own stations with direct trains to London. Luton is served by Thameslink to Kings Cross. You can get the Tube to the Westminster area easily from Kings Cross. Please note that Thameslink is currently split in half and there are significant construction works at Kings Cross so there may be some more hassle opting for that route. Stansted has a direct rail service (Stansted Express) into London Liverpool St with an intermediate stop at Tottenham Hale for the Victoria Line direct to Victoria which is in the heart of Westminster. You can buy a through ticket. http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/links.htm has links to the relevant train company websites for you to look at prices and timetables. HTH -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
... --- Pete said... I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Hi, Pete. Stanstead is easier, because the station is part of the airport buildings. From Luton, you have to take a bus from the airport to the station. -- "The guests were -- like herself -- invisible! It appeared to be the worst story ever." -- MegaHal Yeah - that makes all the difference. The luton shuttle bus makes timing your journey difficult. Also, there are no "Luton Express" services (yet), so you have to use regular trains, and that involves making sure it stops at the right station, and whether it's a fast train, or a stopping service (get the wrong one, and you've added 20/30 mins to your trip). If you have a choice, Stanstead all the way. |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Stansted is London's rural airport with a branch line rail service to London which takes on average 50 minutes and runs as little as every half hour even in the early evening and not at all during the night. Luton is on the main line, has up to 9 trains an hour and a journey time of as little as 23 minutes. Yes there is a shuttle bus but it runs every few minutes and takes just 5 minutes to get to the station. Don't forget at Stansted you have to catch a train to get from the stands to the terminal. By the time you have got out of Stansted you could be half way to London from Luton. |
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"informer" wrote in message ... "Pete" wrote in message ... I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Stansted is London's rural airport with a branch line rail service to London which takes on average 50 minutes and runs as little as every half hour even in the early evening and not at all during the night. Luton is on the main line, has up to 9 trains an hour and a journey time of as little as 23 minutes. Yes there is a shuttle bus but it runs every few minutes and takes just 5 minutes to get to the station. Don't forget at Stansted you have to catch a train to get from the stands to the terminal. usually not if you fly with ryanair tim |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:17 GMT, "d" wrote:
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message ... --- Pete said... Yeah - that makes all the difference. The luton shuttle bus makes timing your journey difficult. Also, there are no "Luton Express" services (yet), so you have to use regular trains, and that involves making sure it stops at the right station, and whether it's a fast train, or a stopping service (get the wrong one, and you've added 20/30 mins to your trip). If you have a choice, Stanstead all the way. My usual comment, to OP and followups: There is only one A in Stansted! |
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Pete wrote:
I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. All hail Luton! It may need a short 5-minute free shuttle bus ride to the station, but from plane to train it probably works out the same as Stansted's integrated station as Stansted requires a much longer walk through the terminal... Once you are at Luton Airport Parkway, currently almost all Thameslink trains call at West Hampstead and reach it within half an hour; at West Hampstead there is a 5-minute walk between stations and then you're on the Jubilee line and can be at Westminster station in 20 minutes. The train from Luton gets to London quicker than the train from Stansted, which is further away. Train fare is about £12 or a bit more for a Travelcard; this is cheaper than the train from Stansted. Coaches are also available from both airports and I think they cost about the same; both will drop you off at Victoria which is not far from Westminster (20 minute walk or 5 mins on Tube or bus), but again the journey from Luton is faster as it is nearer. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - transport projects in London |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
Luton is served by Thameslink to Kings Cross. St. Pancras, actually, which is next to Kings Cross and shares its Tube station. -- Michael Hoffman |
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"Huge" wrote And when you arrive at St.Pancras you're ... in a building site. But not for too much longer |
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Huge wrote:
Paul Corfield writes: On 11 Feb 2005 22:53:29 GMT, (Huge) wrote: Michael Hoffman writes: Paul Corfield wrote: Luton is served by Thameslink to Kings Cross. St. Pancras, actually, which is next to Kings Cross and shares its Tube station. St. Pancras, actually, which is some way from Kings X if you are carrying any amount of luggage or are elderly or unfit, and has no Tube Station. Last time I looked the Tube station was called Kings Cross St Pancras. The current arrangement, as you all know, is temporary with respect to Thameslink terminals in the area. I'm sure it's deeply reassuring to know what the Tube station is called and that the arrangement is temporary as you drag your suitcases 500 yards in the ****ing rain to wait outside the gates until the Northern Line platforms clear enough to let some more people in. Admits to working for London Underground! Figures. To the OP: Go to Gatwick. St. Pancras is a shambles at present and to be avoided at all costs. The OP is only coming for a few days and probably doesn't have much luggage, so St Pancras probably isn't a big deal. If he's travelling to Westminster than changing at West Hampstead is probably very useful for him. Gatwick is more convenient for Westminster - but the OP asked which was better between Luton or Stansted, so Gatwick is a completely useless suggestion. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - transport projects in London |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:47:52 +0000 (UTC), "informer"
wrote: "Pete" wrote in message ... I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. Stansted is London's rural airport with a branch line rail service to London which takes on average 50 minutes and runs as little as every half hour even in the early evening and not at all during the night. Luton is on the main line, has up to 9 trains an hour and a journey time of as little as 23 minutes. Yes there is a shuttle bus but it runs every few minutes and takes just 5 minutes to get to the station. Don't forget at Stansted you have to catch a train to get from the stands to the terminal. By the time you have got out of Stansted you could be half way to London from Luton. Though whilst you're on the automated shuttle train at Stansted your luggage is being unloaded so it probably doesn't increase the total amount of time taken to exit the airport - it simply reduces the length of time you're waiting at the carousel. (Unless you're travelling with hand baggage only,of course). PaulO |
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I had to wait for that automated shuttle train a few years back. The
crowds were enormous and the tunnel to the train was claustrophobic. Someone decided to drop their guts which didn't help. I can still taste it today. |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On 12 Feb 2005 10:55:08 GMT, (Huge) wrote: Paul Corfield writes: Admits to working for London Underground! Figures. Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. The intelligent majority find your contributions extremely helpful and useful. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... The intelligent majority find your contributions extremely helpful and useful. Agreed. Carry on posting, Paul. That said, St. Pancras is a mess at present and a real schlep from Kings Cross. The advice to the OP to stick to Stansted is fair. Ian |
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In message , Huge
writes Ian Jelf writes: In message , Paul Corfield writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. So, your bigotry somehow distorts spacetime and means that people arriving at St.Pancras *don't* have to drag their suitcases 500 yards in the ****ing rain to wait outside Kings X until the Tube has cleared sufficiently? Damn, I must be imagining those enraged/confused tourists every morning. And the thousands of Thameslink customers getting it up the arse from T/L, GoVia, whatever the National rail authority is called this week and LuL. "Kings X is full, go away." To the OP: Definitely use Stanstead. St.Pancras is a shambles and Kings X a building site at present. Oh, and I wouldn't bother with a Blue Badge Guide, either, if they're all as accurate (and bigoted) as above. Oh thanks, Huge, I haven't been flamed for *ages*! :-)) I have made no comment about the use of Kings Cross Saint Pancras or otherwise for the original poster. I *do* however, feel the desire to post a few words of support to Paul C whose contributions here are balanced, valuable and well thought out. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On 13 Feb 2005 10:16:59 GMT, (Huge) wrote:
Paul Corfield writes: On 12 Feb 2005 10:55:08 GMT, (Huge) wrote: [20 lines snipped] I'm sure it's deeply reassuring to know what the Tube station is called and that the arrangement is temporary as you drag your suitcases 500 yards in the ****ing rain to wait outside the gates until the Northern Line platforms clear enough to let some more people in. Admits to working for London Underground! Figures. Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. Frankly, given the quality of the "help" offered, I'd be inclined to agree with you. You might work for LU, but I have to *use* the "service" you "offer" in the real world. You seem to somehow imagine that I don't use the tube and buses every day to get about London. As I have said many times on here (utl) there are days when the service is truly awful - no argument - but also there are countless days when I (and thousands of others) get about with no problems whatsoever. There is a lot of effort being made to knock the system into shape so that there are no delays or breakdowns. Now who do you work for so I can assess whether I use your services and then can make sweeping statements about what your firm provides? -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Huge" wrote in message
... Paul Corfield writes: Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. Frankly, given the quality of the "help" offered, I'd be inclined to agree with you. You might work for LU, but I have to *use* the "service" you "offer" in the real world. Come off it, Huge, you weren't rude to Paul for a reason, you were rude to him because you're rude to everyone. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 12 Feb 2005:
In message , Paul Corfield writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. You're generous, Ian - I would have said they knew about 1%! Paul, do keep on posting here, please! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 January 2005 with new photos |
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On 13 Feb 2005 13:14:55 GMT, (Huge) wrote:
Paul Corfield writes: On 13 Feb 2005 10:16:59 GMT, (Huge) wrote: Paul Corfield writes: [13 lines snipped] Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. Frankly, given the quality of the "help" offered, I'd be inclined to agree with you. You might work for LU, but I have to *use* the "service" you "offer" in the real world. You seem to somehow imagine that I don't use the tube and buses every day to get about London. So why are you advising, contrary to that offered by your employers, people to use Kings X? And indulging in pointless pedantry? What the station is called is of no consequence. It's a 500 yard walk, out of doors. End of debate. All else is pointless willy-waving. The original poster asked about both Stansted and Luton. Therefore my answer covered both - but obviously not to the level of detail you feel appropriate given that *you* clearly have to walk from St Pancras at present or else you would not be making such a song and dance about all of this. If the OP opts to use Luton Airport they have NO option to avoid St Pancras and Kings Cross if they travel by train into the current terminal. Other people suggested changing further out e.g. at West Hampstead. The OP gave only approximate details as to the extent of their encumbrance, whether they were able bodied or not, whether frequency was more important than a direct service etc. A little more detail would have allowed a more focused and accurate reply - there is no way of knowing whether your view about using Stansted is any more appropriate than anyone else suggesting Thameslink via St Pancras and Kings Cross or changing to the Tube at West Hampstead or Kentish Town. No criticism of the OP is implied in the above comments before you leap to an inappropriate conclusion. Oh and I notice you haven't bothered to answer my question to you. Still you're only here for the wind up potential so I guess a straight answer was expecting too much. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Huge wrote:
Mrs Redboots writes: Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 12 Feb 2005: In message , Paul Corfield writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. You're generous, Ian - I would have said they knew about 1%! I sure as **** know how far it is from St.Pancras to Kings X. No, you don't. The walk in the open down Pancras Road is actually 300 yards, not 500. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On 13 Feb 2005 18:19:14 GMT, Huge wrote:
"Richard J." writes: Huge wrote: Mrs Redboots writes: Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 12 Feb 2005: In message , Paul Corfield writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. You're generous, Ian - I would have said they knew about 1%! I sure as **** know how far it is from St.Pancras to Kings X. No, you don't. The walk in the open down Pancras Road is actually 300 yards, not 500. Typical transport weenie; much rather split hairs than address actual issues. Translation: "I was wrong". |
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Huge wrote:
"Richard J." writes: Huge wrote: Mrs Redboots writes: Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 12 Feb 2005: In message , Paul Corfield writes Thanks for reminding me why I really, really should not bother with attempting to be remotely helpful to people on this group. On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. You're generous, Ian - I would have said they knew about 1%! I sure as **** know how far it is from St.Pancras to Kings X. No, you don't. The walk in the open down Pancras Road is actually 300 yards, not 500. Typical transport weenie; much rather split hairs than address actual issues. You were the one who boasted that you "sure as ****" knew the distance. If you think an overestimate of 67% is splitting hairs, your judgement is not to be trusted. To the OP: Pay no attention to what the transport weenies tell you. They live in some bizarre world where a delay is an opportunity to be ecstatic about being on a train, a long and inconvenient walk an opportunity to admire the architecture of St. Pancras and they'd *much* rather attack me than bother about real issues; it's so much easier. You've conveniently forgotten that Paul Corfield actually said "there are significant construction works at Kings Cross so there may be some more hassle opting for that route." Also that you suggested Gatwick to a poster who said he'd got the option of Luton or Stansted. By the way, you never told us what your job is. You're not ashamed of it, are you? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Ian F. wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... The intelligent majority find your contributions extremely helpful and useful. Agreed. Carry on posting, Paul. That said, St. Pancras is a mess at present and a real schlep from Kings Cross. The advice to the OP to stick to Stansted is fair. What have you all got against West Hampstead? :-) I know it's a short walk down the road, but for airport-to-Westminster can it really be beaten? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Huge wrote:
Ian Jelf writes: On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. So, your bigotry somehow distorts spacetime and means that people arriving at St.Pancras *don't* have to drag their suitcases 500 yards in the ****ing rain to wait outside Kings X until the Tube has cleared sufficiently? What happened to the ramp down from St.Pancras directly into the Tube station? |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... What have you all got against West Hampstead? :-) 1. It's in north London. 2. Er... 3. ...that's it. ;-) I know it's a short walk down the road, but for airport-to-Westminster can it really be beaten? I wasn't sure if the OP meant he was going to Westminster itself or the Westminster area - maybe Westminster station is not best for him. If it is, then I guess you're right. Ian |
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Ian F. wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... What have you all got against West Hampstead? :-) 1. It's in north London. 2. Er... 3. ...that's it. ;-) I know it's a short walk down the road, but for airport-to-Westminster can it really be beaten? I wasn't sure if the OP meant he was going to Westminster itself or the Westminster area - maybe Westminster station is not best for him. If it is, then I guess you're right. If he's heading to the Victoria end of Westminster, the Victoria line would theoretically be more useful, but also has platforms the furthest walk from St Pancras. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Aidan Stanger wrote:
Huge wrote: Ian Jelf writes: On the contrary, Paul, please continue to do so and don't allow the occasional negative comment from someone who knows about 10% of what you're on about discourage you. So, your bigotry somehow distorts spacetime and means that people arriving at St.Pancras *don't* have to drag their suitcases 500 yards in the ****ing rain to wait outside Kings X until the Tube has cleared sufficiently? What happened to the ramp down from St.Pancras directly into the Tube station? If you mean the Tube exit from the new interim St Pancras, it's escalators rather than a ramp, and it leads directly to a hole in the ground that will become the Northern Ticket Hall. There's a report on the BBC today* that says the government have approved the funding of this, so it will eventually be provided. Actually the BBC report is a right mess, failing to distinguish between the Northern Ticket Hall of the Tube station and a new ticket hall for King's Cross mainline station, which would enable the grotty single-storey buildings between the train shed and Euston Road to be removed. Whether that is part of the £400M plan is not clear. * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4266559.stm -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , at 17:06:04 on
Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Aidan Stanger remarked: What happened to the ramp down from St.Pancras directly into the Tube station? It was closed about a year ago when they started refurbishing the old part of the station. St Pancras is no longer there - the trains depart from a new concrete and glass monstrosity they've built a five minute walk (with no cover for bad weather) to the north. -- Roland Perry |
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Pete wrote:
I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. TIA. I'd choose Luton. The Stansted Express is often crowded, does not have adequate space for passenger's luggage and the trains are frequently vandalised by Essex yobs. None of these problems on the Thameslink. I've also found the wait for baggage longer at Stansted Airport, but I may just have been unlucky. |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:57:07 +0100, "Pete" wrote:
I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the better rail links to this part of London? By "better" I mean easier/faster and/or cheaper. TIA. Stanstead definitely. You also have a very cheap bus service, it's £7 from Stratford (which is a 5 minute train ride from the city). Takes about an hour during the day (varies on traffic) and no more than 40 minutes in the middle of the night. Runs all day/night too, so you can make a 6 a.m. flight without any problem. |
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Solar Penguin" wrote Yeah - that makes all the difference. The luton shuttle bus makes timing your journey difficult. Also, there are no "Luton Express" services (yet), so you have to use regular trains, and that involves making sure it stops at the right station, and whether it's a fast train, or a stopping service (get the wrong one, and you've added 20/30 mins to your trip). But the Stansted Express takes longer to get to London than the all stopping Luton service and takes twice as long as the MML non stop service |
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In message , at 08:26:11 on Sat, 19
Feb 2005, informer remarked: But the Stansted Express takes longer to get to London than the all stopping Luton service and takes twice as long as the MML non stop service The Stansted train runs rather more often than the MML. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:26:11 on Sat, 19 Feb 2005, informer remarked: But the Stansted Express takes longer to get to London than the all stopping Luton service and takes twice as long as the MML non stop service The Stansted train runs rather more often than the MML. But he does have a point about the all-stations service to Luton; it's not actually faster than the Stansted Express, but at 47 minutes versus 44 or 46 minutes, there's not much of a difference. I'm still backing Luton :-) -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... I'm still backing Luton :-) You are Eric Morecambe AICMFP. ;-) Ian |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
But he does have a point about the all-stations service to Luton; it's not actually faster than the Stansted Express, but at 47 minutes versus 44 or 46 minutes, there's not much of a difference. But... the bus! What about the bus you have to take to get to Luton Airport Parkway? ;-) -- Michael Hoffman |
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Michael Hoffman wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote: But he does have a point about the all-stations service to Luton; it's not actually faster than the Stansted Express, but at 47 minutes versus 44 or 46 minutes, there's not much of a difference. But... the bus! What about the bus you have to take to get to Luton Airport Parkway? ;-) Actually, it's quite fun standing on the bus winding its way down the hill and round the roundabouts to the station. Plus anything that's free can't be that bad... :-) On a slightly serious note, I've found the shuttle bus to be pretty good - it runs all day and connects to the night Thameslink trains too, and there's almost always one waiting to pick up passengers as one doesn't leave until the one behind arrives. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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