On 18 Feb 2005, Adrian Auer-Hudson wrote:

Tony Polson wrote:
"Adrian Auer-Hudson" wrote:

So, better drop the Central Line into a tunnel for the Ealing
Broadway to West Ealing Stretch.

I have no doubt that there are a great many better ways of spending
the money.

You are of course correct. The aesthetics of a loop at the western end
of the Central Line to match the one at the eastern end appeal to me!
:-)

Finally, someone who sees the big picture!

Maybe the Greenford loop could be served only from its Northern end by
the Central Line?

You mean Perivale - South Greenford - Castle Bar Park - Drayton Green?
That's daft. No offence, but it is - you'd have to head out of London to
get to the city centre!

Although now i think about it, a few minutes on the journey might be worth
it to get ten times the frequency.

There is, I believe, still merit in the idea of terminating Crossrail
trains at Ealing as opposed to Paddington.

Agreed.

But, sending all Central Line trains to West Ruislip would be an over
supply of service.

They could be sent round the east curve - North Acton, Ealing Broadway,
Castle Bar Park, then over the Greenford east curve, Perivale, Park Royal,
North Acton.

tom

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Colin McKenzie wrote:

There are endless options, and I think a wholesale reorganisation of
services might be beneficial, because
- the area needs north-south rail services
- the line parallel to the Central line is ridiculously under-used
- passengers beyond Northolt are not best served by an all-stations
service
- The Ealing Broadway Central Line branch will lose most of its
passengers to Crossrail

I'm thinking maybe a much enhanced Chiltern service from the Ruislips,
and new Central Line branches closer in: West Ealing via Castlebar Park,
and maybe something heading north into Park Royal.

How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward of Denham (or
perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange), so that the services left can run
fast all the way into Marylebone, and then speeding up the Central Line's
services from these outer stations by taking over the GW Perivale line run
some trains fast, say from Greenford to East Acton (via new links at both
stations), possibly with a stop at Park Royal. Essentially, you have the
Central running inner suburban and 'middle suburban' services.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...

How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward of Denham (or
perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange), so that the services left can run
fast all the way into Marylebone, and then speeding up the Central Line's
services from these outer stations by taking over the GW Perivale line run
some trains fast, say from Greenford to East Acton (via new links at both
stations), possibly with a stop at Park Royal. Essentially, you have the
Central running inner suburban and 'middle suburban' services.

And how would the freight trains that use the Greenford loop and the ex-GW
main line to get to the Chiltern route then do so?

In article ,
Jack Taylor wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...

How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward of Denham
(or perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange), so that the services left
can run fast all the way into Marylebone, and then speeding up the
Central Line's services from these outer stations by taking over the
GW Perivale line run some trains fast, say from Greenford to East
Acton (via new links at both stations), possibly with a stop at Park
Royal. Essentially, you have the Central running inner suburban and
'middle suburban' services.

And how would the freight trains that use the Greenford loop and the
ex-GW main line to get to the Chiltern route then do so?

The answer is to extend Crossrail (rather than Central line) services to
West Ruislip via Northolt with a few via Drayton Park. Mixing Crossrail
and freight should be less of a problem.

David

In article .com,
Adrian Auer-Hudson writes
1. Turning crossrail trains back @ Paddington is just crazy when there
is a lack of capacity in the mainline station.

Capacity in the mainline station won't be involved. The trains will "tip
out" at the new Crossrail island platform, run forward to a siding
between the tracks around Royal Oak, then back into service on the other
side of the same island platform. They never go near (except vertically)
the main terminus.

I'm told that the sidings will be authorised for passenger use so that
there's no need to search the terminating trains by hand. This is
necessary to provide the capacity.

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward
of Denham (or perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange),
so that the services left can run fast all the way into Marylebone,

What about Northolt Park and Wembley Stadium?

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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward of Denham
(or perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange), so that the services left
can run fast all the way into Marylebone,

What about Northolt Park and Wembley Stadium?

Ah, i forgot about Northolt Park. Wembley Stadium could perhaps only be
served on match days (or other days when there's a major event at
Wembley), but yes, you'd need to stop at Northolt Park.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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Wembley Stadium could perhaps only be
served on match days (or other days when
there's a major event at Wembley),

That would be popular with the locals. Or perhaps you think every station in
London should be shut except when there is a big event nearby?

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:


TheOneKEA wrote:


But what would replace the Greenford triangle, to allow HSTs to
reverse formation after interesting diversions in the West Country?

I'm sure some alternative could be found. A giant turntable, perhaps...
or setting up some sort of circuit around the Willesden railway lands.


Half-pipe?

They could make it a rollercoaster and sell tickets for it at Paddington
- make some money out of turning the trains around!

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, John Rowland wrote:


"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...


How about killing the Chiltern services to everywhere inward of Denham
(or perhaps West Ruislip, for interchange), so that the services left
can run fast all the way into Marylebone,

What about Northolt Park and Wembley Stadium?


Ah, i forgot about Northolt Park. Wembley Stadium could perhaps only be
served on match days (or other days when there's a major event at
Wembley), but yes, you'd need to stop at Northolt Park.

Wembley's quite an important destination in its own right. If anything,
the service should be improved.

Sudbury Hill Harrow and Sudbury & Harrow Road are a bit less important
as they are mirrored by Piccadilly line stations; however, Chiltern is
quicker for some journeys to the City if the timetable suits, and they
could be useful bus interchanges for people heading from south
Buckinghamshire to some parts of West London.


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