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[email protected] February 20th 05 05:46 PM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 
Hi,

I am going to London early april...


During my former visits I bought some kind of London Visitor pass for
unlimited tube/bus travel.

It looks like that card is replaced by an Oyster card?

Can someone tell me how this works for tourists now?

And what about the changes to the zone system? Last time there were 3
zones, there are more now... What zone is Kensington (Hotel area) and
Heathrow (point of arrival).


Thanks,
Fred


Dave Arquati February 20th 05 06:51 PM

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wrote:
Hi,

I am going to London early april...

During my former visits I bought some kind of London Visitor pass for
unlimited tube/bus travel.

It looks like that card is replaced by an Oyster card?


You don't need an Oyster card; you can still buy paper Travelcards,
which give the unlimited tube & bus travel you describe (as well as DLR
and rail travel, and a 1/3 discount off boat travel). They last for 1, 3
or 7 days.

A 1-day travelcard for the central area (Zones 1&2) costs £4.70 after
0930 Mon-Fri, all day at weekends (£6 is you need to travel before 0930
Mon-Fri).

A 3-day travelcard (£15) is only cheaper than separate day cards if you
need to travel before 0930 Mon-Fri on one of the three days.

A 7-day travelcard costs £18.50 for just Zone 1 (the very centre;
includes Kensington, the West End and most major attractions but not
Greenwich or Docklands) or £21.40 for Zones 1 & 2 (which includes
Greenwich & Docklands). They are valid at any time of day.

And what about the changes to the zone system? Last time there were 3
zones, there are more now... What zone is Kensington (Hotel area) and
Heathrow (point of arrival).


Kensington is in Zone 1, the central zone. Heathrow is in Zone 6. A
single ticket between the two costs £3.80, or a 1-day travelcard for
zones 1 to 6 costs £6.00.

If you do any travelling on the days of your flights other than the
journey between your airport and the hotel, then a 1-6 travelcard will
probably be cheaper.

Hope that helps!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

[email protected] February 20th 05 07:11 PM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 
Great info.

Thanks ! ! !

Clark W. Griswold, Jr. February 20th 05 07:41 PM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 
wrote:

During my former visits I bought some kind of London Visitor pass for
unlimited tube/bus travel.

It looks like that card is replaced by an Oyster card?


Not unless you plan to be in London for 7 days or more.

Can someone tell me how this works for tourists now?


http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/t...troduction.asp

should more than answer your questions.

And what about the changes to the zone system? Last time there were 3
zones, there are more now...


Actually, there were and are 6 Underground zones.

What zone is Kensington (Hotel area)


Zone 1

and Heathrow (point of arrival).


Zone 6.

Most tourists will find Zone 1 single day travel cards sufficient, with one off
tickets for trips to and from Heathrow, but you may wish to think twice about
using the Tube from Heathrow. The Terminal 4 station is closed right now and
dragging luggage around on the Tube is difficult at best. Consider taking the
hotel bus or the train to Paddington.

James Farrar February 20th 05 07:50 PM

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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:41:36 -0700, Clark W. Griswold, Jr.
wrote:

Most tourists will find Zone 1 single day travel cards sufficient, with
one off tickets for trips to and from Heathrow, but you may wish tothink
twice about using the Tube from Heathrow. The Terminal 4 stationis
closed right now and dragging luggage around on the Tube is difficultat
best. Consider taking the hotel bus or the train to Paddington.


I was at Heathrow today. I'd definitely advise visitors arriving at
Terminal 4 to take the Heathrow Express to Paddington. I admit, it's
expensive, but it's worth it.


[email protected] February 20th 05 11:25 PM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 

James Farrar wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:41:36 -0700, Clark W. Griswold, Jr.
wrote:

Most tourists will find Zone 1 single day travel cards sufficient,

with
one off tickets for trips to and from Heathrow, but you may wish

tothink
twice about using the Tube from Heathrow. The Terminal 4 stationis


closed right now and dragging luggage around on the Tube is

difficultat
best. Consider taking the hotel bus or the train to Paddington.


I was at Heathrow today. I'd definitely advise visitors arriving at
Terminal 4 to take the Heathrow Express to Paddington. I admit, it's


expensive, but it's worth it.


The Pic. line goes direct from Heathrow (1,2,3) to the following
Kensington stations:
* South Kensington (zone 1)
* Gloucster Road (zone 1)
* Knightsbridge (zone 1)
or you can change at Earls Court for:
* High St Ken (zone 1)
* Kensington Olympia (zone 2)
* Sloane square (zone 1)

If you take the Heathrow Express to Paddington, you still have to get
to your destination from there. You can take the circle line (during
the week and occasionaly at weekends) to:
* High St Ken (zone 1)
* Gloucster Road (zone 1)
* South Kensington (zone 1)
* Sloane Square
or the District line to:
* High St Ken (zone 1)
* Olympia (changing at Earls Court) (zone 2)


IMHO there is not much point in getting the Heathrow Express because it
costs more and you still have to negotiate the tube system.


Clark W. Griswold, Jr. February 21st 05 03:17 AM

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wrote:

IMHO there is not much point in getting the Heathrow Express because it
costs more and you still have to negotiate the tube system.


The HE will certainly cost more than the tube, but it depends on how much
luggage you have and with Terminal 4 tube station closed, what terminal you
arrive at.

I'd much rather take the HE to Paddington and then a cab to the hotel if I had
anything more than a carry-on. Its not that far to the other side of
Hyde/Kensington Park from the train station. Beats trying to drag a bunch of
bags on the Tube. Faster as well.

James Farrar February 21st 05 12:19 PM

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On 20 Feb 2005 16:25:34 -0800, wrote:

IMHO there is not much point in getting the Heathrow Express because it
costs more and you still have to negotiate the tube system.


Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line? As another
poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


Clive D. W. Feather February 21st 05 08:59 PM

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In article om,
writes
The Pic. line goes direct from Heathrow (1,2,3) to the following
Kensington stations:
* South Kensington (zone 1)
* Gloucster Road (zone 1)
* Knightsbridge (zone 1)
or you can change at Earls Court for:
* High St Ken (zone 1)
* Kensington Olympia (zone 2)
* Sloane square (zone 1)


No, change at Hammersmith, where it's cross-platform. Then change again
at Earl's Court - cross-platform again - for HSK.

--
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Michael Hoffman February 21st 05 09:51 PM

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James Farrar wrote:
Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line?


Yes.

As another poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


As another poster has said, I will disagree with that. But we all
have our own limits as to what we will do to save 15 quid+taxi
fare.
--
Michael Hoffman

Aidan Stanger February 22nd 05 09:51 AM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 
Clark W. Griswold, Jr. wrote:

wrote:

IMHO there is not much point in getting the Heathrow Express because it
costs more and you still have to negotiate the tube system.


The HE will certainly cost more than the tube, but it depends on how much
luggage you have and with Terminal 4 tube station closed, what terminal you
arrive at.

I'd much rather take the HE to Paddington and then a cab to the hotel if I had
anything more than a carry-on. Its not that far to the other side of
Hyde/Kensington Park from the train station. Beats trying to drag a bunch of
bags on the Tube. Faster as well.


Depends where you're going - The Heathrow Express is faster to some
destinations, while the Piccadilly is faster to many others. Bus to
Feltham then train from there is also worth considering, particularly
for destinations S of the river.

Colin Rosenstiel February 27th 05 01:59 PM

What hapend to the visitor passes
 
In article opsmjty9n6wnvjb9@whisk, (James
Farrar) wrote:

On 20 Feb 2005 16:25:34 -0800, wrote:

IMHO there is not much point in getting the Heathrow Express because
it costs more and you still have to negotiate the tube system.


Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line? As another
poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


Not if going from and to Cambridge via King's Cross. The Piccadilly is
much easier, albeit slower.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Ric Euteneuer February 28th 05 11:07 AM

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I'd much rather take the HE to Paddington and then a cab to the hotel if I had
anything more than a carry-on. Its not that far to the other side of
Hyde/Kensington Park from the train station. Beats trying to drag a bunch of
bags on the Tube. Faster as well.


Obviously here speaks someone who has lots of money (or an expense
account). HE is about 3 times the price of a tube ticket and the tube
ticket (if a travel card is bought) can then be used to travel around
using public transport the rest of the day, unlike the HE ticket.

*And* then the traveller is also queuing up for, and paying through
the nose for a cab, dragging their "bunch of bags" all the while. I
would contend that travelling on the Piccadilly Line outside the rush
hour will take about the same time as HE+cab to many destinations -
including expensive hotels in Hyde Park and/or Kensington Park

Mrs Redboots February 28th 05 02:13 PM

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Ric Euteneuer wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 28 Feb 2005:

*And* then the traveller is also queuing up for, and paying through
the nose for a cab, dragging their "bunch of bags" all the while. I
would contend that travelling on the Piccadilly Line outside the rush
hour will take about the same time as HE+cab to many destinations -
including expensive hotels in Hyde Park and/or Kensington Park


I believe you can get a dedicated minibus to various hotels, which is a
good compromise - cheaper than a taxi, but easier than wrestling with PT
when you're jet-lagged.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005



John Rowland March 1st 05 01:57 AM

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"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
...

I believe you can get a dedicated minibus to various hotels,
which is a good compromise - cheaper than a taxi,


But is it cheaper? ISTR it is about GBP 5 single, which I would imagine
would pay for a taxi from Heathrow to most of the local hotels...

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes



Mrs Redboots March 1st 05 08:46 AM

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John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 1 Mar 2005:

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
...

I believe you can get a dedicated minibus to various hotels,
which is a good compromise - cheaper than a taxi,


But is it cheaper? ISTR it is about GBP 5 single, which I would imagine
would pay for a taxi from Heathrow to most of the local hotels...

That's local, though - it costs more like GPB 60 to get to a London
hotel....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005



Ric Euteneuer March 1st 05 09:35 AM

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Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line? As another
poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


Yes, frequently. They even took out seats on the Picc to allow for
more luggage. HEx and Taxi is the way to go if you're

i) rich
ii) on expenses

and iii) staying at a hotel in Paddington

I've encountered a lot of hostility to normal underground services,
mainly from the USA, who think it is a den of Bronx style iniquity.

Paul Terry March 1st 05 09:53 AM

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In message , Ric
Euteneuer writes

I've encountered a lot of hostility to normal underground services,
mainly from the USA, who think it is a den of Bronx style iniquity.


You'd never guess, given the vast numbers of Americans I see on the
Piccadilly line every time I use it.

--
Paul Terry

James Farrar March 1st 05 10:16 AM

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On 1 Mar 2005 02:35:19 -0800, Ric Euteneuer wrote:

Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line? As another
poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


Yes, frequently. They even took out seats on the Picc to allow for
more luggage. HEx and Taxi is the way to go if you're

i) rich
ii) on expenses

and iii) staying at a hotel in Paddington


I travelled from Heathrow, travelling down from Manchester on the train
the same day. Neither rich nor on expenses, definitely worth it.

Jason March 1st 05 02:38 PM

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On 1 Mar 2005 02:35:19 -0800, (Ric Euteneuer) wrote:

Have you ever tried taking suitcases on the Piccadilly line? As another
poster has said, HEX and taxi is the way to go.


Yes, frequently. They even took out seats on the Picc to allow for
more luggage. HEx and Taxi is the way to go if you're

i) rich
ii) on expenses

and iii) staying at a hotel in Paddington


....or sensible enough to convert regular BAA airport &parking spending
into WorldPoints (
www.baa.com/worldpoints) for half price HEx
vouchers.

Heathrow for £6.50 - money well spent when compared with the tube.


--
Cheers,

Jason.


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Michael Hoffman March 1st 05 10:47 PM

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Jason wrote:

...or sensible enough to convert regular BAA airport &parking spending
into WorldPoints (www.baa.com/worldpoints) for half price HEx
vouchers.


Whenever I try to use my WorldPoints card the shops never take it! I
thought they might have discontinued the scheme.
--
Michael Hoffman

Clark W. Griswold, Jr. March 2nd 05 01:12 AM

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(Ric Euteneuer) wrote:

I've encountered a lot of hostility to normal underground services,
mainly from the USA, who think it is a den of Bronx style iniquity.


I've used LU many times (well, up until they started stalling out between
platforms for hours on end). I have no particular problem with using the tube
and its certainly an inexpensive option for public transportation to/from
Heathrow and central London.

That said, trying to manage more than carry-on luggage through the tube is
similar to trying to manage luggage on a bus - there are easier options...

Jason March 2nd 05 03:42 PM

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:47:54 +0000, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Jason wrote:
...or sensible enough to convert regular BAA airport &parking spending
into WorldPoints (www.baa.com/worldpoints) for half price HEx
vouchers.


Whenever I try to use my WorldPoints card the shops never take it!


Agreed, some shops do have processing problems, but faxing any
receipts to WorldPoints will seem them credited swiftly.

I thought they might have discontinued the scheme.


No, no - it is more certainly still running. I used my card last month
several times..

--
Cheers,

Jason.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Ric Euteneuer March 3rd 05 10:06 AM

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I've used LU many times (well, up until they started stalling out between
platforms for hours on end).


Hours on end ? Must be a different Underground system to mine.

That said, trying to manage more than carry-on luggage through the tube is
similar to trying to manage luggage on a bus - there are easier options...


It all depends on if you are paying or your firm, and how 'light' you
travel ! I never travel with more than I can comfortably carry, even
when I travel around Europe for 3 weeks plus. It's usually a rucksack,
a daypack and a plastic bag.


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