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"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"asdf" wrote in message
...

Introduce a direct Harrow to Ealing bus route,
linking at least town centre with town centre.
Takes under 20 mins by car; but a very awkward
journey by bus/tube, taking up to an hour, with
multiple changes.

Why not interchange from the 182 to the 83 at Wembley Central?


LOL!!1 83!1111****tard1111one1

BTN

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Mrs Redboots wrote:
E. Zackatackali wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:

I think the only other sections of road that seem to have a higher
number of
routes than the A23 Brixton-Streatham must be the A215 Walworth Road
or
Oxford Street.

Even still, it's pretty squashed trying to travel between the two
centres in the rush hours. I dread what will happen if the CRT ever
becomes reality and another mode of transport empties out at Brixton!

Yes, FOOLS for not making it go at least as far as Streatham Ice Rink
(or even Norbury). Not that it'll ever get built.

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Mrs Redboots wrote:
E. Zackatackali wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:


I think the only other sections of road that seem to have a higher number of
routes than the A23 Brixton-Streatham must be the A215 Walworth Road or
Oxford Street.


Even still, it's pretty squashed trying to travel between the two
centres in the rush hours. I dread what will happen if the CRT ever
becomes reality and another mode of transport empties out at Brixton!

If you're lucky, Croydon Tramlink will head up to Brixton after serving
Thornton Heath Pond and Streatham. It's not that likely though... I hear
that fitting trams down Streatham High Road would be a nightmare,
although I've never been there myself.

Would improved frequencies on overground rail lines or the mooted
extension of the Victoria line to Herne Hill help matters?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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In message , E. Zackatackali
writes
Walworth Road
That name rings a bell (ding) isn't it in some soap or other?
--
Clive.

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In message .com,
Rupert Candy writes
Yes, FOOLS for not making it go at least as far as Streatham Ice Rink
(or even Norbury). Not that it'll ever get built.
Streatham Ice Rink? I used to go skating there in my late teens, one
of the best ice surfaces in the country. Circa 1968.
--
Clive.

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Dave Arquati wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:
Even still, it's pretty squashed trying to travel between the two
centres in the rush hours. I dread what will happen if the CRT
ever
becomes reality and another mode of transport empties out at
Brixton!

If you're lucky, Croydon Tramlink will head up to Brixton after
serving
Thornton Heath Pond and Streatham. It's not that likely though... I
hear
that fitting trams down Streatham High Road would be a nightmare,
although I've never been there myself.

Would improved frequencies on overground rail lines or the mooted
extension of the Victoria line to Herne Hill help matters?

Jumping in and answering for Annabel - sending the Vic to Herne Hill
would be fantastic for me (is it really still a possibility?), but the
real problem is that there's no route between Brixton and Streatham
other than by bus, and (as you probably know) Brixton is a significant
'parkway' station for a lot of SE London (and generally the quickest
way from Streatham to the West End). As you may also know, Streatham
has 3 separate NR stations, but they are all served by different lines
with roughly 4tph frequency on each (and no way of travelling between
the 3 by train!) That's why Streatham buses are so overloaded, and
that's why a [light] rail route following the Brixton - Streatham axis
would be a godsend. After all, Brixton's already got the tube, it's the
areas slightly further south that are lacking in decent transport!

Hope that makes sense.

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Clive Coleman wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:

In message ps
.com, Rupert Candy writes
Yes, FOOLS for not making it go at least as far as Streatham Ice Rink
(or even Norbury). Not that it'll ever get built.
Streatham Ice Rink? I used to go skating there in my late teens, one of
the best ice surfaces in the country. Circa 1968.

I go there about 5 times a week! Which is why I get irritated that I
don't have a direct bus.... still, walking into Brixton is good for me.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005

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Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:

Would improved frequencies on overground rail lines or the mooted
extension of the Victoria line to Herne Hill help matters?

What would *really* help is if they could run direct trains between
Brixton and Streatham. The infrastructure is there, but "it's not a
route", so you have to change at Herne Hill.... Sigh....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005

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Rupert Candy wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

Even still, it's pretty squashed trying to travel between the two
centres in the rush hours. I dread what will happen if the CRT

ever

becomes reality and another mode of transport empties out at

Brixton!

If you're lucky, Croydon Tramlink will head up to Brixton after

serving

Thornton Heath Pond and Streatham. It's not that likely though... I

hear

that fitting trams down Streatham High Road would be a nightmare,
although I've never been there myself.

Would improved frequencies on overground rail lines or the mooted
extension of the Victoria line to Herne Hill help matters?

Jumping in and answering for Annabel - sending the Vic to Herne Hill
would be fantastic for me (is it really still a possibility?)

I don't think anyone has mentioned it for quite a while, but since it
should enhance line capacity (by putting it on a loop from Brixton SB -
Herne Hill - Brixton NB) it can't be ruled out. No plans from the
infraco though as part of the upgrade so it's not likely soon.

However, if Crossrail 2 were to ever come to fruition, it would free up
enough capacity on the Victoria line to consider extending it further
southwards than Herne Hill.

but the
real problem is that there's no route between Brixton and Streatham
other than by bus, and (as you probably know) Brixton is a significant
'parkway' station for a lot of SE London (and generally the quickest
way from Streatham to the West End). As you may also know, Streatham
has 3 separate NR stations, but they are all served by different lines
with roughly 4tph frequency on each (and no way of travelling between
the 3 by train!) That's why Streatham buses are so overloaded, and
that's why a [light] rail route following the Brixton - Streatham axis
would be a godsend. After all, Brixton's already got the tube, it's the
areas slightly further south that are lacking in decent transport!

Well, hopefully in the future there will be tram routes heading towards
Streatham from both directions, so it can't be a massive step beyond
that to link them up...

PS Have they finished working on Brixton Tube station yet?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Clive Coleman wrote:
In message , E. Zackatackali
writes

Walworth Road

That name rings a bell (ding) isn't it in some soap or other?

Used to be Labour Party HQ.

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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
...
In message , James
writes
RV1 - run it with those fake heritage tram ye olde stylee buses you
find in foreign cities to amuse the tourists

How about using RMs on it instead?
--

how about designing a modern HSE acceptable conductor operated bus and
reintroducing conductors on many routes ?

Andrew

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Make all routes cyclic, so that instead of running over the same route
repeatedly, they switch to a different one, eventually cycling through
several routes and getting back to where they started.

Buses would display their next route as well as their current route.

For passengers that would've wanted to change to the new route anyway,
they
can just stay on the bus, and for those who don't, the system is no
different from how it is now.

You'd need to abandon strict timetabling, because it's ****ing ****.
Instead, buses should set out from their starting location for any given
route when the next bus on the same route reaches a given trigger point.
Passengers might be sitting on a stationary bus for a while, but they'd
only
be waiting at the stop for the same bus anyway.

BTN



These are both excellent ideas. The first actually happens on several of
the First Bus operated routes between Huddersfield and Holmfirth (not London
I know but just as an example), although they don't display the next route.
Essentially, one vehicle might work from Huddersfield via A, B and C to
Holmfirth, then assume a different route number and return to Huddersfield
via D, E and F. Passengers who know how the routes work can travel from C
to D without changing at Holmfirth.


Andrew

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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

Make all routes cyclic, so that instead of running
over the same route repeatedly, they switch to a
different one, eventually cycling through several
routes and getting back to where they started.

And then an accident on a one-bus-route road would screw half a dozen bus
routes...

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:

PS Have they finished working on Brixton Tube station yet?

Will they ever? They seem to have been working on it fairly solidly for
most of the last 15 years. Every so often they stop and say they're
done for the moment, but the following year they start again!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005

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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:31:14 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

And AIUI the 'Tilley Bus' between Barnet and Edgware Hospitals has been
discontinued, while parking at Edgware shrinks each time I look!


The operator changed fairly recently, but the route still runs.

Since February 1st, it has been operated by Krest Self Drive Hire Ltd.
From Edgware hourly 0645 until 2145
From Barnet, hourly 0715 until 2215.

HTH

--
Thomas Covenant
Please observe reply to Address.
Unsolicited mail to "From" address
deleted unread.

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"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...

Streatham has 3 separate NR stations, but they are all
served by different lines with roughly 4tph frequency on each
(and no way of travelling between the 3 by train!)

Brixton's already got the tube, it's the areas slightly
further south that are lacking in decent transport!

Hope that makes sense.

No! Many parts of London would kill for the rail network Streatham has.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
...
In message , E. Zackatackali
writes

Walworth Road

That name rings a bell (ding) isn't it in some soap or other?

EastEnders is set in a fictional suburb called Walford.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:26:04 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote:

The 15 needs all the buses it can get, anyway, especially on District
Line Closure weekends but also generally. Some
of you may remember my postings here some months ago about the
overcrowding on the route to/from the Tower. This is
something I've experienced several times again since.......

I agree. I would increase the frequency of the 15, or extend the 115 to
Trafalgar Sq. I've lost count of the number of times I've stood at the
bus stop waiting for the 15, but had 6 No11s and 4 No23s turn up before a
15. Stagecoach, brewery, p***-up spring to mind.

I'd also extend the 262 back up to Walthamstow as I'm told it used to go.
It'd save me changing on to the 69.

--
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:47:20 +0000, Clive Coleman
wrote:

In message .com,
Rupert Candy writes
Yes, FOOLS for not making it go at least as far as Streatham Ice Rink
(or even Norbury). Not that it'll ever get built.
Streatham Ice Rink? I used to go skating there in my late teens, one
of the best ice surfaces in the country. Circa 1968.

LOL! You've not been there lately then?! The sooner TESCO build the new
rink so they can demolish that dump the better.

--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

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In message opsm8f7or2wn44ge@stephen, Stephen
writes
Stagecoach, brewery, p***-up spring to mind.

Why does everybody insist on blaming the operating companies when they
are just contractors to TfL?

It's TfL who are the ones who set these things.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:22:26 -0000, Stephen wrote:

I'd also extend the 262 back up to Walthamstow as I'm told it used to go.

Indeed it did (c. 1980) Where does it go now, then?
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10586670.html
(150 249's driver getting permission to contiue to Pembroke Dock, 1999)

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Stephen wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 6 Mar 2005:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:47:20 +0000, Clive Coleman clive@yewbank.
demon.co.uk wrote:
Streatham Ice Rink? I used to go skating there in my late teens, one
of the best ice surfaces in the country. Circa 1968.

LOL! You've not been there lately then?! The sooner TESCO build the
new rink so they can demolish that dump the better.

Another hurdle towards that very goal passed last week! But it will
still be 18 months to two years before we see anything happen..... and
it will be sad to say "Goodbye" to the beautiful old building which
holds so many happy memories (incidentally, they are buying a new
Zamboni - ice smoothing machine - so it should be better within the next
few weeks).
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 4 March 2005 with a new photo

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John Rowland wrote:
"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...

Streatham has 3 separate NR stations, but they are all
served by different lines with roughly 4tph frequency on each
(and no way of travelling between the 3 by train!)

Brixton's already got the tube, it's the areas slightly
further south that are lacking in decent transport!

Hope that makes sense.

No! Many parts of London would kill for the rail network Streatham
has.

Really? Which ones? Apart from Hackney, I can't really think of any...

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In message , Mrs Redboots
writes
Stephen wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 6 Mar 2005:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:47:20 +0000, Clive Coleman clive@yewbank.
demon.co.uk wrote:
Streatham Ice Rink? I used to go skating there in my late teens, one
of the best ice surfaces in the country. Circa 1968.

LOL! You've not been there lately then?! The sooner TESCO build the
new rink so they can demolish that dump the better.

Another hurdle towards that very goal passed last week! But it will
still be 18 months to two years before we see anything happen..... and
it will be sad to say "Goodbye" to the beautiful old building which
holds so many happy memories (incidentally, they are buying a new
Zamboni - ice smoothing machine - so it should be better within the next
few weeks).
You've got to remember that my use of the place was getting on for forty
years ago, which I compared with ice rinks all around the country as I
used to travel around on free passes and tried rinks in all different
parts of the country, it most probably is crap by now especially
considering how old it is.
--
Clive Coleman

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Clive Coleman wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 7 Mar 2005:

.
You've got to remember that my use of the place was getting on for
forty years ago, which I compared with ice rinks all around the country
as I used to travel around on free passes and tried rinks in all different
parts of the country, it most probably is crap by now especially
considering how old it is.

It's not as crap as all that. Come and try it sometime!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 4 March 2005 with a new photo

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:44:25 +0000, Steve Fitzgerald ]
wrote:

In message opsm8f7or2wn44ge@stephen, Stephen
writes
Stagecoach, brewery, p***-up spring to mind.

Why does everybody insist on blaming the operating companies when they
are just contractors to TfL?

It's TfL who are the ones who set these things.

To be fair the operational risk is with the operator. The OP was
complaining about the fact that route 15s didn't turn up relative to
other routes - I would put that down to Stagecoach.

The comment about improving the timetable or extending the 115 was a
proposed solution to the fact that he had waited too long for a bus. I
have to say that I don't understand the TfL logic of running the 23
every 4-5 minutes and yet the 15 is only half as frequent when in the
olden days they were effectively the same route.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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London Buses are now seeking planners:


ref TFL388/389 on their website.


Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:53:48 +0000, Robert Woolley
wrote:

London Buses are now seeking planners:


ref TFL388/389 on their website.

I could either of those jobs standing on my head but they'd never employ
me!
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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In message , Paul Corfield
writes

London Buses are now seeking planners:


ref TFL388/389 on their website.

I could either of those jobs standing on my head but they'd never employ
me!

Couldn't afford you :-)
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:01:19 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:53:48 +0000, Robert Woolley

London Buses are now seeking planners:
ref TFL388/389 on their website.

I could do either of those jobs standing on my head but they'd never
employ me!

Perhaps you'd stand more chance if you didn't advertise the fact you
want to stand on your head while working...

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9946359.html
(156 449 in Scotrail colours, matching the footbridge, Dumfries, 2004)

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Well, there should be more of them - it's overwhelmingly the best night
bus in SW London. Better still, split the route, and have a portion
running non-stop on the A3 from Wandsworth to Kingston Vale :-D

J

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"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...
John Rowland wrote:

Many parts of London would kill for the rail network Streatham has.

Really? Which ones? Apart from Hackney, I can't really think of any...

Belmont (Harrow), Belmont (Sutton), Staples Corner, Edmonton, Chingford,
Roehampton, Blackfen, Shooters Hill, Woolwich, the list is too long, in
fact, most places in London belong on the list.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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John Rowland wrote:
"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...
John Rowland wrote:

Many parts of London would kill for the rail network Streatham
has.

Really? Which ones? Apart from Hackney, I can't really think of
any...

Belmont (Harrow), Belmont (Sutton), Staples Corner, Edmonton,
Chingford,
Roehampton, Blackfen, Shooters Hill, Woolwich, the list is too long,
in
fact, most places in London belong on the list.

But "most places in London" are on the Tube (though admittedly not many
of the examples you give). I imagine most inhabitants of Streatham
would gladly swap their three stations for an extension of the Victoria
Line...

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Rupert Candy wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 9 Mar 2005:

But "most places in London" are on the Tube (though admittedly not many
of the examples you give). I imagine most inhabitants of Streatham
would gladly swap their three stations for an extension of the Victoria
Line...

So would certain inhabitants of Brixton who go to Streatham 5-6 times
per week!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 4 March 2005 with a new photo

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Mrs Redboots wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 3 Mar 2005:

Would improved frequencies on overground rail lines or the mooted
extension of the Victoria line to Herne Hill help matters?

What would *really* help is if they could run direct trains between
Brixton and Streatham. The infrastructure is there, but "it's not a
route", so you have to change at Herne Hill.... Sigh....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 20 February 2005

Furthermore, there should be paths for such a service with the huge
gaps needed in front of the fast trains due to the line only being
double track to Shortlands.

J

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"E. Zackatackali" wrote in message
...
If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?

I would reinstate the 726 to run its original complete route from Heathrow
to Dartford, and also extend it to Bluewater. I would increase the appalling
current frequency to something more sensible like every 30 minutes.

It is shocking that TfL is trying to kill off this route. They cut it from
Dartford to Bromley, and within the next week or two it will only run from
Croydon to Heathrow.

Keith Spink
InfoTransport (http://www.infotransport.co.uk/)
Transport Images (http://www.transportimages.com/)

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Keith Spink wrote:

I would reinstate the 726 to run its original
complete route from Heathrow to Dartford, and
also extend it to Bluewater. I would increase
the appalling current frequency to something
more sensible like every 30 minutes.

The problem with making the route even longer
than it already is is of course that it will
make the reliability even worse than it already
is.

Wouldn't it be far better to run 2, 3 or even 4
express routes over the Bluewater - Heathrow
route with generous overlaps and better
frequency. Thus if buses were stuck on Hampton
Court Road for 40 minutes (not unheard of) then
people in Croydon would still have an express
route to Bromley.

And have the routes run by someone, anyone,
other than Tellings Golden "worst bus company
in London" Miller.

If you had the power to add/change/remove bus
routes, what would you do?

Re route the E3 to stay as far away from Acton
High Street as possible.

Run a shuttle bus with lots of luggage space
and a decent frequency from Feltham NR to all
the Heathrow terminals, thus making the Feltham
Railair a reality rather than another name for
the 285 minibus.


Matt Ashby
www.mattashby.com

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Route 726 is being replaced by route X26 on the 16th April
operating between Croydon & Heathrow tfl website says

X26
New daily limited stop service between East Croydon Station and
Heathrow Airport Central, via Sutton, Kingston, Teddington and Hatton
Cross, partially replacing route 726.
Buses will stop only at the following locations: East Croydon Station, West
Croydon Station, Wallington Green, Carshalton High Street, Sutton,
Cheam Broadway, North Cheam, Worcester Park Station, New Malden,
Kingston, Teddington, Hatton Cross, Heathrow Airport Central.
To run hourly, operated by fully-accessible single-deck buses.
Service to be operated by Metrobus.


I would reinstate the 726 to run its original
complete route from Heathrow to Dartford, and
also extend it to Bluewater. I would increase
the appalling current frequency to something
more sensible like every 30 minutes.

The problem with making the route even longer
than it already is is of course that it will
make the reliability even worse than it already
is.

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"Matt Ashby" wrote in message
ups.com...
Keith Spink wrote:

I would reinstate the 726 to run its original
complete route from Heathrow to Dartford, and
also extend it to Bluewater. I would increase
the appalling current frequency to something
more sensible like every 30 minutes.

The problem with making the route even longer
than it already is is of course that it will
make the reliability even worse than it already
is.

Wouldn't it be far better to run 2, 3 or even 4
express routes over the Bluewater - Heathrow
route with generous overlaps and better
frequency. Thus if buses were stuck on Hampton
Court Road for 40 minutes (not unheard of) then
people in Croydon would still have an express
route to Bromley.

Possibly two parts, but no more. The biggest problem with London is that
travelling from one outer London town to another is very tricky, without
either a very slow bus ride or going via Central London.

I still reckon that a frequent bus service from Croydon towards Heathrow
(the new X26), as well as an express route from Croydon toward Bromley,
Bexleyheath, Dartford and Bluewater has real potential.

I have not used the 726 in years, since it stopped running from the Bexley
area. But in the days when I did use it (just before it was cut), it was a
well used route, on my trips from Bexleyheath to Croydon.

Best wishes

Keith Spink
InfoTransport (http://www.infotransport.co.uk)
Transport Images (http://www.transportimages.com)