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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp

(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for
vital repair work to be carried out.

Tim O' Toole, London Underground's Managing Director, told the London
Assembly that this would need to happen for vital work to be completed
on the network. Proposals are being put forward to shut the lines on
several different occasions."
(end quote)

Sorry Mr Brierly, but have you used the Underground?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

London has a new Underground line
 

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube lines for
months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for
vital repair work to be carried out.

Tim O' Toole, London Underground's Managing Director, told the London
Assembly that this would need to happen for vital work to be completed on
the network. Proposals are being put forward to shut the lines on several
different occasions."
(end quote)

Sorry Mr Brierly, but have you used the Underground?

Does he mean

- Waterloo & City and Northern lines (in which case it's only two lines)

- Bakerloo, something and Northern lines (three lines, but what's the
missing one?)

Either way, sounds as if he's never seen an Underground map in his life!

London has a new Underground line
 

"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
...
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp

(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed
for vital repair work to be carried out.

Tim O' Toole, London Underground's Managing Director, told the
London Assembly that this would need to happen for vital work to be
completed on the network. Proposals are being put forward to shut
the lines on several different occasions."
(end quote)

Sorry Mr Brierly, but have you used the Underground?

Does he mean

- Waterloo & City and Northern lines (in which case it's only two
lines)


I don't know, but I would suspect this one, taking each of the central
london branches as two "separate" lines.

London has a new Underground line
 

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"Matt Wheeler" a écrit
"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
...
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp

(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed
for vital repair work to be carried out.

Tim O' Toole, London Underground's Managing Director, told the
London Assembly that this would need to happen for vital work to be
completed on the network. Proposals are being put forward to shut
the lines on several different occasions."
(end quote)

Sorry Mr Brierly, but have you used the Underground?

Does he mean

- Waterloo & City and Northern lines (in which case it's only two
lines)


I don't know, but I would suspect this one, taking each of the central
london branches as two "separate" lines.

Well, that's what the BBC thinks too, according to :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4336689.stm

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

London has a new Underground line
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:53:57 -0000, "Martin Underwood"
wrote:

- Waterloo & City and Northern lines (in which case it's only two lines)

- Bakerloo, something and Northern lines (three lines, but what's the
missing one?)

Either way, sounds as if he's never seen an Underground map in his life!

The autoannouncer on one of the lines (might be the Vic, but I can't
remember) seems to think there's a "Circle and Hammersmith" line
(without the "and City" suffix). Whether this is cock-up or
conspiracy I'm really not sure.

Neil

--
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When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

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Dave Arquati wrote:

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(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

London has a new Underground line
 

Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

J

London has a new Underground line
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

The autoannouncer on one of the lines (might be the Vic,
but I can't remember) seems to think there's a "Circle and
Hammersmith" line (without the "and City" suffix).

This phrase is used within LU, but like "Inner Rail" it's something that
shouldn't leak through into announcements.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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In message , at
00:33:57 on Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Stuart remarked:
And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Perhaps the section from the Waterloo platforms to the Bank platforms,
leaving the section between the Waterloo platforms and the depot still
running?
--
Roland Perry

London has a new Underground line
 

"James" wrote in message
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Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from Waterloo to a
point underneath the Thames and than have to walk the rest of the way ;-)

London has a new Underground line
 

Martin Underwood wrote:
"James" wrote in message
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Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:



http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be
closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from Waterloo
to a
point underneath the Thames and than have to walk the rest of the way
;-)

Perhaps they'll use the secret platforms at Blackfriars ;-)

London has a new Underground line
 

"James" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote:
"James" wrote in message
oups.com...

Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:



http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be
closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from Waterloo
to a
point underneath the Thames and than have to walk the rest of the way
;-)

Perhaps they'll use the secret platforms at Blackfriars ;-)

Judging by the distance you have to walk at Bank to get to the W&C I think
the platforms are at Blackfriars already!

Peter Smyth

London has a new Underground line
 

Peter Smyth wrote:
"James" wrote in message
ups.com...

Martin Underwood wrote:
"James" wrote in message
oups.com...

Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:




http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy
Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be
closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of
the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from
Waterloo
to a
point underneath the Thames and than have to walk the rest of the
way
;-)

Perhaps they'll use the secret platforms at Blackfriars ;-)

Judging by the distance you have to walk at Bank to get to the W&C I
think
the platforms are at Blackfriars already!

Peter Smyth

I suppose it is actually that way round. I've always perceived it as
the Central Line being miles away.

J

London has a new Underground line
 

James wrote:
Peter Smyth wrote:
"James" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote:
"James" wrote in message
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Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp
(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy
Tube lines for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be
closed for vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of
the Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from
Waterloo to a point underneath the Thames and than have to walk
the rest of the way ;-)

Perhaps they'll use the secret platforms at Blackfriars ;-)

Judging by the distance you have to walk at Bank to get to the W&C
I think the platforms are at Blackfriars already!

Peter Smyth

I suppose it is actually that way round. I've always perceived it as
the Central Line being miles away.

There is a 3D model of the travelator at Bank in the Depot* of London's
Transport Museum at Acton Town, showing it in relation to the W&C
platforms, the rest of Bank station, and the streets and buildings
above. It is evident that the W&C platforms are some way down Queen
Victoria Street, probably nearer to Mansion House station than Bank.

* next Open Weekend 4/5 June.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In message , at 21:28:45
on Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Richard J. remarked:
There is a 3D model of the travelator at Bank in the Depot* of London's
Transport Museum at Acton Town, showing it in relation to the W&C
platforms, the rest of Bank station, and the streets and buildings
above. It is evident that the W&C platforms are some way down Queen
Victoria Street, probably nearer to Mansion House station than Bank.

There's a map of the W&C at:

http://www.perry.co.uk/maps/

which shows them under Queen Victoria St, but at the Cheapside end.
--
Roland Perry

London has a new Underground line
 

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

Kevin

London has a new Underground line
 

wrote in message
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I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

The same applies to road closures: I'd like to see a legal requirement on
maintenance companies to do the job right first time so they'll never (or
not for many decades) have to do the job again. Either that or else a rebate
for passengers/drivers who have to endure repeated delays. It'll never
happen, of course...

London has a new Underground line
 

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

Kevin


The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

During the original shutdown, the track was relaid, amongst other things.
Within a few weeks of the section re-opening, temporary speed restrictions
were put in because of the condition of the track. These temporary speed
restrictions are still in place, with the exception of the one departing
Euston City NB which I think was taken out last year.

These speed restrictions made a big difference because they were over long
sections of the track and were quite drastic - 15mph instead of 25mph
between Kennington and Elephant & Castle NB, 15mph instead of 30mph
between Angel and Old Street SB, 20 mph instead of 30/35 mph between
Elephant & Castle and Kennington SB. The one at Euston City NB was, I
think, 20mph instead of 35mph.

The current timetable (TT49) had had an increase in running times to take
many of the "permanent" temporary speed restrictions into account, plus
some other long term ones that since popped up, such as the 20mph
approaching Finchley Central NB.

The only way to sort the problem out was to relay the affected track,
which was a major work.

Hopefully, the work that has been done during the City closures will mean
that these restrictions can be taken away and normal speed running
resumed.


Roger

London has a new Underground line
 

wrote in message
...
In article . com,
() wrote:


The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

During the original shutdown, the track was relaid, amongst other things.
Within a few weeks of the section re-opening, temporary speed restrictions
were put in because of the condition of the track.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the comment I made earlier about the
need to do the job right the first time ;-)

London has a new Underground line
 

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 wrote:

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999. Two lengthy closures
in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the **** to me.

The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

Are the contractors who did the first lot contributing anything to paying
for it this time round?
tom

--
NTK now entirely filled with google links -- NTK

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 wrote:

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section
on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999. Two lengthy
closures
in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the **** to me.

The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the
work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

Are the contractors who did the first lot contributing anything to
paying
for it this time round?
tom

--
NTK now entirely filled with google links -- NTK


No idea - I think there was an on-going argument as to who /what was to
blame, with two different sides battling it out between them. Possibly
unresolved, but I don't know. I assume that Tubelines are now sorting it
out as part of their overall contract since privatisation.

Roger