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If I am on the Chiswick roundbaout and I want to get to central london what
roads should i be using (looking to get near Bow Street) - is it the A4? I should have a GPS system but just wanna know whats going on if I cant use it for whatever reason! |
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If I am on the Chiswick roundbaout and I want to get to central london what roads should i be using (looking to get near Bow Street) - is it the A4? Yes. I think you'll find that the signs say "Central London A4". I should have a GPS system but just wanna know whats going on if I cant use it for whatever reason! It will be much more fun if the GPS has problems nearer to Bow Street! By the way, why do you assume the GPS system will route you via the Chiswick Roundabout? Where are you starting from? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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writes If I am on the Chiswick roundbaout and I want to get to central london what roads should i be using (looking to get near Bow Street) - is it the A4? The straightest route is, theoretically via the A4, Hammersmith Flyover, Cromwell Road, Piccadilly underpass, Piccadilly Circus then via Haymarket to Trafalgar Sq, Strand, Aldwych, etc. However, it will all depend upon the time of day, and the type of vehicle you are driving (you are not allowed to take commercial vehicles or vehicles with adverts through the royal parks) as this will affect the route. Lets take a fairly quiet time. I would go from Cromwell Road to Knightsbridge, Hyde park Corner, Constitution Hill, The Mall, Trafalgar Sq, Duncannon St, The Strand, Aldwych, L Catherine St, L Exeter St, R Wellington St forward to Bow St. Where *exactly* are you going in Bow St and what time are you travelling. (at least my knowledge is still up to date g) I should have a GPS system but just wanna know whats going on if I cant use it for whatever reason! You need to be a bit concerned as there are some places in central London where GPS signal is lost and you've gone past the point you needed before you get the signal back. In case you're wondering I am a working licensed taxi (black cab) driver and also have a GPS system in my cab so can speak from experience. -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... mo wrote: If I am on the Chiswick roundbaout and I want to get to central london what roads should i be using (looking to get near Bow Street) - is it the A4? Yes. I think you'll find that the signs say "Central London A4". I should have a GPS system but just wanna know whats going on if I cant use it for whatever reason! It will be much more fun if the GPS has problems nearer to Bow Street! By the way, why do you assume the GPS system will route you via the Chiswick Roundabout? Where are you starting from? we start in Southampton - last time we went I dont think it did go via the chiswick roundbaout, but the Chiswick roundabout is about the only focal point I know around London because I use it for the A406 to visit relatives in North London and I know it also has roads going towards Central London - so where will I end up if I go on the A4? |
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Lets take a fairly quiet time. I would go from Cromwell Road to Knightsbridge, Hyde park Corner, Constitution Hill, The Mall, Trafalgar Sq, Duncannon St, The Strand, Aldwych, L Catherine St, L Exeter St, R Wellington St forward to Bow St. Where *exactly* are you going in Bow St and what time are you travelling. (at least my knowledge is still up to date g) In a Car on Saturday about 4ish. We are going to Russell Street to a theatre which is right enxt to Bow Street (i figure more ppl know Bow street) The route you list above sounds similar to the one the GPS system took us to last time.. i def remember going past Harrods, the strand and places like that! (and under the arch) |
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writes "Mike Hughes" wrote in message Lets take a fairly quiet time. I would go from Cromwell Road to Knightsbridge, Hyde park Corner, Constitution Hill, The Mall, Trafalgar Sq, Duncannon St, The Strand, Aldwych, L Catherine St, L Exeter St, R Wellington St forward to Bow St. Where *exactly* are you going in Bow St and what time are you travelling. (at least my knowledge is still up to date g) In a Car on Saturday about 4ish. We are going to Russell Street to a theatre The Theatre Royal by any chance? which is right enxt to Bow Street (i figure more ppl know Bow street) The route you list above sounds similar to the one the GPS system took us to last time.. i def remember going past Harrods, the strand and places like that! (and under the arch) At that time of day you shouldn't get too much trouble with the traffic, BUT you can't use Constitution Hill and The Mall because they are shut at that time on a Sunday. There is also the possibility that there may be a demonstration or some other reason why you will be diverted so try to plan for that possibility. From Southampton you will be coming in along the M3, then the A316, go past Twickenham and Richmond then use the flyover ( a bit narrow and bumpy but saves a lot of waiting time at the lights) at the Hogarth Roundabout (not Chiswick) to get to the A4. There are a few possibilities for you to get to Russell Street. Try this one. From Brompton Road R Beachamp Place (just before you get to Harrods) Forward (bear L slightly) Pond St R Sloane St (or if you feel confident R at Lyall St which is after Sloane St) Sloane Sq L Cliveden Place through to Lower Grosvenor Place L Buckingham Palace Road L into St James Park (immediately in from of Buckinghamn Palace) R & L Birdcage Walk F Parliament Sq F Bridge St (towards Westminster Bridge) L Victoria Embankment L Temple Place (immediately after you've gone under Waterloo Bridge) L Arundel St L Strand R Aldwych L Drury Lane L Russell Street -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
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"Mike Hughes" wrote in message news:5
BUT you can't use Constitution Hill and The Mall because they are shut at that time on a Sunday. we are going on a Saturday! we are going to the Fortune Theatre... From Southampton you will be coming in along the M3, then the A316, go past Twickenham and Richmond then use the flyover ( a bit narrow and bumpy but saves a lot of waiting time at the lights) at the Hogarth Roundabout (not Chiswick) to get to the A4. the route i normally take is M3, M25, M4 to Chiswick Roundabout - I can joi nthe A4 that way cant I? where does the A4 end up? will it be easy enough to find signs pointing to covent garden way (or what signs should we look for) also last time we went we stayed in a NCP car park but i noticed a lot of car parking spaces on roads, does russell street have any and if not any large roads to check out before the NCP? There are a few possibilities for you to get to Russell Street. Try this one. cheers - i have a feeling we will get los tand it will all go to pot :) |
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"Mike Hughes" wrote in message news:5 BUT you can't use Constitution Hill and The Mall because they are shut at that time on a Sunday. we are going on a Saturday! we are going to the Fortune Theatre... From Southampton you will be coming in along the M3, then the A316, go past Twickenham and Richmond then use the flyover ( a bit narrow and bumpy but saves a lot of waiting time at the lights) at the Hogarth Roundabout (not Chiswick) to get to the A4. the route i normally take is M3, M25, M4 to Chiswick Roundabout - I can joi nthe A4 that way cant I? No point. It's a longer way round, and you'll hit the roadworks on M25 near Heathrow and quite possibly a queue on M4 approaching Chiswick. M3 to its end, then A316 is much more direct. where does the A4 end up? will it be easy enough to find signs pointing to covent garden way (or what signs should we look for) also last time we went we stayed in a NCP car park but i noticed a lot of car parking spaces on roads, does russell street have any and if not any large roads to check out before the NCP? Going into Theatreland on a Saturday, you should expect lots of congestion, lots of one-way streets, inadequate signs for your purpose, virtually all street parking spaces occupied. I don't know about NCP car parks in the area. I'm wondering why you are planning to drive all the way. I wouldn't dream of driving that far into the centre on a Saturday. You might like to consider doing the last bit by Tube or train. For example: - Park in multi-storey next to Richmond station (just off A316), continue by train to Waterloo, pleasant walk over Waterloo Bridge - Park at Chiswick Station (just off A316, free street parking available), trains every 15 minutes to Waterloo. - Park at Hammersmith (not sure where but it can't be worse than the centre), continue by Piccadilly Line to Covent Garden. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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mo wrote: "Mike Hughes" wrote in message news:5 BUT you can't use Constitution Hill and The Mall because they are shut at that time on a Sunday. we are going on a Saturday! we are going to the Fortune Theatre... From Southampton you will be coming in along the M3, then the A316, go past Twickenham and Richmond then use the flyover ( a bit narrow and bumpy but saves a lot of waiting time at the lights) at the Hogarth Roundabout (not Chiswick) to get to the A4. the route i normally take is M3, M25, M4 to Chiswick Roundabout - I can joi nthe A4 that way cant I? No point. It's a longer way round, and you'll hit the roadworks on M25 near Heathrow and quite possibly a queue on M4 approaching Chiswick. M3 to its end, then A316 is much more direct. where does the A4 end up? will it be easy enough to find signs pointing to covent garden way (or what signs should we look for) also last time we went we stayed in a NCP car park but i noticed a lot of car parking spaces on roads, does russell street have any and if not any large roads to check out before the NCP? Going into Theatreland on a Saturday, you should expect lots of congestion, lots of one-way streets, inadequate signs for your purpose, virtually all street parking spaces occupied. I don't know about NCP car parks in the area. I'm wondering why you are planning to drive all the way. I wouldn't dream of driving that far into the centre on a Saturday. You might like to consider doing the last bit by Tube or train. For example: - Park in multi-storey next to Richmond station (just off A316), continue by train to Waterloo, pleasant walk over Waterloo Bridge - Park at Chiswick Station (just off A316, free street parking available), trains every 15 minutes to Waterloo. - Park at Hammersmith (not sure where but it can't be worse than the centre), continue by Piccadilly Line to Covent Garden. Much of the on-street parking in Kensington is free after 1.30pm on a Saturday; it should be easy enough to park on the northern part of Gloucester Road (turn left off the A4) or one of the side streets just off it and dive into the Tube there for the Piccadilly line, 15 minutes to Covent Garden. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"Richard J." wrote in message news:zm20e.3623 No point. It's a longer way round, and you'll hit the roadworks on M25 near Heathrow and quite possibly a queue on M4 approaching Chiswick. M3 to its end, then A316 is much more direct. i notice that the A316 goes onto the Chiswick roundabout - so would it have been quicker for me to have used this route to the Chiswick roundabout all those times i went there in the past rather than the M4 route??? :) http://multimap.co.uk/map/browse.cgi...=6&right.y=142 so are you suggesting i take the A316 onto the chiswick roundbaout and then the A4? whats the a316 like - is it 1 or 2 lanes and is traffic free flowing on it - is it as easy to drive on as the M4 would be and how much time would i be saving? cheers |
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"Richard J." wrote in message news:zm20e.3623 No point. It's a longer way round, and you'll hit the roadworks on M25 near Heathrow and quite possibly a queue on M4 approaching Chiswick. M3 to its end, then A316 is much more direct. i notice that the A316 goes onto the Chiswick roundabout - so would it have been quicker for me to have used this route to the Chiswick roundabout all those times i went there in the past rather than the M4 route??? :) http://multimap.co.uk/map/browse.cgi...=6&right.y=142 The A316 meets the A4 at the *Hogarth* Roundabout, which is by the "k" of Chiswick on the above map. The Chiswick Roundabout is where the A4 meets the North & South Circular Roads, underneath the start of the M4 (marked as Junction 1 on the map). so are you suggesting i take the A316 onto the chiswick roundbaout and then the A4? A316 to the Hogarth Roundabout, then the A4. whats the a316 like - is it 1 or 2 lanes and is traffic free flowing on it - is it as easy to drive on as the M4 would be and how much time would i be saving? It starts off as 3+3 dual carriageway and progressively degrades to 1+1 single carriageway. Mostly 2+2 lanes, though, and 40 mph limit with about 6 roundabouts and various traffic lights. On a Saturday, I would expect it to be reasonably free-flowing unless there is a big match at Twickenham, in which case use M4 instead. M25/M4 tends in my experience to be more prone to queues. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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writes whats the a316 like - is it 1 or 2 lanes and is traffic free flowing on it - It is virtually motorway standard (3 lanes) until about the last 3 miles. After that it is 2 lane, with 5 roundabouts and 3 sets of traffic lights before the Hogarth roundabout (where you join the A4, rather closer to the centre of London than Chiswick roundabout, incidentally). is it as easy to drive on as the M4 would be and how much time would i be saving? It is difficult to say, because what you are saving is the likelihood of running into interminable jams on the M4 - but I would say the A316 is almost always going to be quicker. I live in the area, and would never consider going all the way round to the M4 when coming up from Southampton, unless there is a big match at Twickenham at the critical time (the A316 runs almost outside the stadium) - but I don't think there's a match this weekend. I would certainly consider the advice to park outside of the centre of town and get the train for the last stretch. As you can see he http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...e=10000&icon=x Chiswick station is about 1 minute off the A316 after crossing the Thames, parking is free and trains are every 15 minutes, up to almost midnight. Journey time 25 minutes to Waterloo - considerably less than the drive time. It offers a relaxing ride in and out of town - and when you pick up the car you get straight out onto fast roads. No engineering works are listed for this weekend, incidentally. Parking in Hammersmith is also worth considering - I often park under the A4 flyover, next to the church, but you have to pay up to 6.30pm and there may be a maximum of 2 hours. Also, if you don't know the area, this is harder to find than Chiswick station. As I mentioned, I live in the area and would not normally consider taking the car into that part of central London on a Saturday afternoon because of the difficulty/expense of parking and the uncertainty and frustration of long traffic delays. -- Paul Terry |
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also last time we went we stayed in a NCP car park but i noticed a lot of car parking spaces on roads, does russell street have any and if not any large roads to check out before the NCP? Parking restrictions in the area north of High Holborn and east of Kingsway (northeast of Holborn tube) finish at 1.30 on Saturdays. You can park for free on single yellows and pay-and-display bays (not resident's bays). There are usually spaces on (or just off) Theobald's Road. But look at the signs carefully! You've got a 10/15 minute walk to bow street from there. xx j |
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writes However, it will all depend upon the time of day, and the type of vehicle you are driving (you are not allowed to take commercial vehicles or vehicles with adverts through the royal parks) as this will affect the route. I thought that the no adverts rule in the Parks had been lifted some time ago? Ids that not the case? Or is an exception just made for taxis? -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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"Richard J." wrote in message news:fu40e.3673 A316 to the Hogarth Roundabout, then the A4. Thanks - so what happens once I am cruising on the A4? Juts keep going straight til I see signs for Covent Garden or what? I am willing to stop and park up somewhere if 1) its walkable from the theatre area 2) its quite an easy place to find once we are out of the cinema - i.e we dont lose the car!! |
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mo wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 23 Mar 2005:
"Richard J." wrote in message news:fu40e.3673 A316 to the Hogarth Roundabout, then the A4. Thanks - so what happens once I am cruising on the A4? Juts keep going straight til I see signs for Covent Garden or what? I am willing to stop and park up somewhere if 1) its walkable from the theatre area 2) its quite an easy place to find once we are out of the cinema - i.e we dont lose the car!! Honestly, given that you are really unfamiliar with London - wouldn't it be a lot easier to get a train to Waterloo & then a taxi to your destination? -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 20 March 2005 |
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"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message Honestly, given that you are really unfamiliar with London - wouldn't it be a lot easier to get a train to Waterloo & then a taxi to your destination? whats the point, it probably costs more money getting there in taxi than it does in parking, also at least once you are out of the theatre and all tired you can aim straight for the comfort of your own car. ok maybe it is a little more hassle driving in but its worht it (imo) |
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"mo" wrote in message ... "Mrs Redboots" wrote in message Honestly, given that you are really unfamiliar with London - wouldn't it be a lot easier to get a train to Waterloo & then a taxi to your destination? whats the point, it probably costs more money getting there in taxi than it does in parking, also at least once you are out of the theatre and all tired you can aim straight for the comfort of your own car. Unless someone has trouble walking, you don't even need a taxi from Waterloo - it's probably less than 20 minutes walk across the eponymous bridge, which has some of the best views in London! xx j |
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writes "Mrs Redboots" wrote in message Honestly, given that you are really unfamiliar with London - wouldn't it be a lot easier to get a train to Waterloo & then a taxi to your destination? whats the point, it probably costs more money getting there in taxi than it does in parking, No. Waterloo to Bow Street is only a few minutes walk. If you really must take a cab, it would be about a 4 pound minimum fare (it is well under a mile). Street parking in that part of London (if you can find any) is 4 pounds an hour. ok maybe it is a little more hassle driving in but its worht it (imo) You are certainly entitled to your view. I go to the theatre in the west end quite regularly, and I wouldn't dream of taking my car all the way in - quite apart from the cost, the worry of missing curtain-up with the frequent lengthy traffic jams throughout central London is just not worth the risk, imo. -- Paul Terry |
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mo wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 23 Mar 2005:
whats the point, it probably costs more money getting there in taxi than it does in parking, also at least once you are out of the theatre and all tired you can aim straight for the comfort of your own car. ok maybe it is a little more hassle driving in but its worht it (imo) I doubt it would cost more to get a taxi, to be honest - and is it worth getting thoroughly lost and stressed & missing the first half of the show? I wouldn't dream of driving into central London even, or perhaps especially, on a Saturday night. Public transport and/or taxi, or not at all. We would - and do - drive if we're going across London, right to the other side, but not into central London except in an emergency! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 20 March 2005 |
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Jim wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 23 Mar 2005:
"mo" wrote in message ... "Mrs Redboots" wrote in message Honestly, given that you are really unfamiliar with London - wouldn't it be a lot easier to get a train to Waterloo & then a taxi to your destination? whats the point, it probably costs more money getting there in taxi than it does in parking, also at least once you are out of the theatre and all tired you can aim straight for the comfort of your own car. Unless someone has trouble walking, you don't even need a taxi from Waterloo - it's probably less than 20 minutes walk across the eponymous bridge, which has some of the best views in London! Indeed, but if you're stressed about finding the place, a taxi is easier. You can always walk back, after all - and I agree, it's quite the nicest bridge for views. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 20 March 2005 |
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"Richard J." wrote in message news:fu40e.3673 A316 to the Hogarth Roundabout, then the A4. Thanks - so what happens once I am cruising on the A4? Juts keep going straight til I see signs for Covent Garden or what? You will not see signs for Covent Garden. Mike Hughes gave you a taxi driver's recommendation. Alternatively, you can go to http://www.theaa.com/travelwatch/planner_main.jsp and get a more straightforward route. Enter "M3 J1" into the From box and "Russell Street Holborn" into the To box. Although the directions are quite detailed, you need a good street map with you, preferably one with the one-way streets marked. I am willing to stop and park up somewhere if 1) its walkable from the theatre area 2) its quite an easy place to find once we are out of the cinema - i.e we dont lose the car!! In that case, follow Jim's advice about parking to the north-east of Holborn station. Look it up on the map and/or get a route from the AA site, but if you're not confident about map-reading in London, I strongly advise you to follow advice to get the Tube to Covent Garden from somewhere along your route. You can mail me for more detailed advice if you wish (see sig). -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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writes In message , Mike Hughes writes However, it will all depend upon the time of day, and the type of vehicle you are driving (you are not allowed to take commercial vehicles or vehicles with adverts through the royal parks) as this will affect the route. I thought that the no adverts rule in the Parks had been lifted some time ago? Ids that not the case? Or is an exception just made for taxis? Exception made just for taxis. I believe there is also an exception for vehicles that are delivering / working in the royal parks. Strangely enough taxis are not allowed to 'ply for hire' (i.e. stand with the light on) but can pick up if hailed ! -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
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waterloo sounds like a plan - whats parking like at waterloo?
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There are a few possibilities for you to get to Russell Street. Try this one. From Brompton Road R Beachamp Place (just before you get to Harrods) Forward (bear L slightly) Pond St R Sloane St (or if you feel confident R at Lyall St which is after Sloane St) Sloane Sq L Cliveden Place through to Lower Grosvenor Place L Buckingham Palace Road L into St James Park (immediately in from of Buckinghamn Palace) R & L Birdcage Walk F Parliament Sq F Bridge St (towards Westminster Bridge) L Victoria Embankment L Temple Place (immediately after you've gone under Waterloo Bridge) L Arundel St L Strand R Aldwych L Drury Lane L Russell Street England i have written this down - this is the one we are going for!! |
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saying : There are a few possibilities for you to get to Russell Street. Try this one. From Brompton Road R Beachamp Place (just before you get to Harrods) Forward (bear L slightly) Pond St R Sloane St (or if you feel confident R at Lyall St which is after Sloane St) Sloane Sq L Cliveden Place through to Lower Grosvenor Place L Buckingham Palace Road L into St James Park (immediately in from of Buckinghamn Palace) R & L Birdcage Walk F Parliament Sq F Bridge St (towards Westminster Bridge) L Victoria Embankment L Temple Place (immediately after you've gone under Waterloo Bridge) L Arundel St L Strand R Aldwych L Drury Lane L Russell Street England i have written this down - this is the one we are going for!! PLEASE take a GPS with you and post the resulting track - this is going to be funny... |
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"mo" wrote in message ... waterloo sounds like a plan - whats parking like at waterloo? LOL! |
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writes In message , Ian Jelf writes In message , Mike Hughes writes However, it will all depend upon the time of day, and the type of vehicle you are driving (you are not allowed to take commercial vehicles or vehicles with adverts through the royal parks) as this will affect the route. I thought that the no adverts rule in the Parks had been lifted some time ago? Ids that not the case? Or is an exception just made for taxis? Exception made just for taxis. Thanks for the information. I believe there is also an exception for vehicles that are delivering / working in the royal parks. I believe that there's a time restriction on that (as perhaps you'd expect). Strangely enough taxis are not allowed to 'ply for hire' (i.e. stand with the light on) but can pick up if hailed ! Such are the rules of the Royal Parks Act 1977. A copy of those is posted at many entrances and can provide unintentional hilarity sometimes. In particular, "touching a pelican" is forbidden, without written permission! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
... Such are the rules of the Royal Parks Act 1977. A copy of those is posted at many entrances and can provide unintentional hilarity sometimes. In particular, "touching a pelican" is forbidden, without written permission! They got Jimmy Somerville on that one. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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... In message , Ian Jelf writes I thought that the no adverts rule in the Parks had been lifted some time ago? Ids that not the case? Or is an exception just made for taxis? Exception made just for taxis. Strangely enough taxis are not allowed to 'ply for hire' (i.e. stand with the light on) but can pick up if hailed ! This is not just true in the Royal Parks - taxis can't stand with the light on anywhere except at a rank. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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