Question about Broad Street
 

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
There were regular early morning trains over that connection until the
1970s IIRC.
How early are you talking about? I was working on that line late 60s
early 70s and never saw anything other than Central line trains.
--
Clive.

Question about Broad Street
 

In article ,
(Clive Coleman) wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
There were regular early morning trains over that connection until the
1970s IIRC.
How early are you talking about? I was working on that line late 60s
early 70s and never saw anything other than Central line trains.

Hmm. I'd have to check my contemporary BR timetables for the 1970s claim.
There's nothing in my November 1972 Underground Guide.

My Winter 1957-8 Underground Guide shows two Sundays only trains from
Epping to Liverpool Street Eastern Region Station and return. Their times
were 5:6 and 5:36 from Epping, arriving 5:55 and 6:20, departing 6:20 and
6:56 to Epping. Neither stopped between Stratford and Liverpool Street nor
did the 6:56 stop at Leyton. The first was available in both directions to
ticket holders only.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 1 Apr 2005 04:09:08 -0800, wrote:

snip

Talking of Broad Street, what happenned to the services that used to
operate into this station?

You might be interested in another scene from history:

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13622529.html

this is the mechanical departure indicator from Richmond, photographed
in 1981, showing the stopping pattern for Richmond to Broad Street.

--
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:42 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Clive Coleman) wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
There were regular early morning trains over that connection until the
1970s IIRC.
How early are you talking about? I was working on that line late 60s
early 70s and never saw anything other than Central line trains.

Hmm. I'd have to check my contemporary BR timetables for the 1970s claim.
There's nothing in my November 1972 Underground Guide.

My Winter 1957-8 Underground Guide shows two Sundays only trains from
Epping to Liverpool Street Eastern Region Station and return. Their times
were 5:6 and 5:36 from Epping, arriving 5:55 and 6:20, departing 6:20 and
6:56 to Epping. Neither stopped between Stratford and Liverpool Street nor
did the 6:56 stop at Leyton. The first was available in both directions to
ticket holders only.

I have no Underground Guides after February 1970, but that dated 2nd
Feb 1970 shows the same two trains each way varying in times by no
more than a minute from yours.

I caught the 0656 from Liverpool Street several times during the
1960s. They definitely existed.

--
Bill Hayles

http://billnot.com

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:06:27 GMT, Bill Hayles
wrote:



I caught the 0656 from Liverpool Street several times during the
1960s. They definitely existed.

And although I never used it I remember the Underground Guide in ?mid
70s showing the last Central Line as going to Liverpool St. BR.

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:07:11 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:


You might be interested in another scene from history:

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13622529.html

this is the mechanical departure indicator from Richmond, photographed
in 1981, showing the stopping pattern for Richmond to Broad Street.

Looks like a Sunday, with Brondesbury Park and Canonbury closed.

Am I right in thinking there's no platform 7 now?

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In article ,
(Bill Hayles) wrote:

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:42 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Clive Coleman) wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
There were regular early morning trains over that connection until
the 1970s IIRC.
How early are you talking about? I was working on that line late
60s early 70s and never saw anything other than Central line trains.

Hmm. I'd have to check my contemporary BR timetables for the 1970s
claim. There's nothing in my November 1972 Underground Guide.

My Winter 1957-8 Underground Guide shows two Sundays only trains from
Epping to Liverpool Street Eastern Region Station and return. Their
times were 5:6 and 5:36 from Epping, arriving 5:55 and 6:20, departing
6:20 and 6:56 to Epping. Neither stopped between Stratford and
Liverpool Street nor did the 6:56 stop at Leyton. The first was
available in both directions to ticket holders only.

I have no Underground Guides after February 1970, but that dated 2nd
Feb 1970 shows the same two trains each way varying in times by no
more than a minute from yours.

I caught the 0656 from Liverpool Street several times during the
1960s. They definitely existed.

Thank you. I appears my recollection of my 1970 BR Eastern Region
timetable was not faulty. AFAIK my 1972 Guide was the last edition.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Bonzo) wrote:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:06:27 GMT, Bill Hayles
wrote:

I caught the 0656 from Liverpool Street several times during the
1960s. They definitely existed.

And although I never used it I remember the Underground Guide in ?mid
70s showing the last Central Line as going to Liverpool St. BR.

Not by November 1972.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:25:06 +0100, Bonzo wrote:


Am I right in thinking there's no platform 7 now?

No, I'm wrong. But now only District Line services use it.

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In article ,
(Bonzo) wrote:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:07:11 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

You might be interested in another scene from history:

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13622529.html

this is the mechanical departure indicator from Richmond, photographed
in 1981, showing the stopping pattern for Richmond to Broad Street.

Looks like a Sunday, with Brondesbury Park and Canonbury closed.

Also South Acton isn't there. Kentish Town West is also missing. When was
the fire?

Note also that Embankment (District) and Camden Road slats are
hand-painted. The former will be because the name was previously Charing
Cross but I didn't know Camden Road once had another name?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Chris Tolley) wrote:

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767259.html
(South London unit on the North London Line: 6333, West Hampstead,
1989)

They were standard stock on the North London before the class 313 units.
Note the window bars added upon transfer from the Southern Region.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:07:11 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

this is the mechanical departure indicator from Richmond, photographed
in 1981, showing the stopping pattern for Richmond to Broad Street.

Also South Acton isn't there.

Closed 22 years earlier (1959).

Kentish Town West is also missing. When was
the fire?

1971 - reopened 5 October 1981 (later in the year of Chris's photo).

Note also that Embankment (District) and Camden Road slats are
hand-painted. The former will be because the name was previously Charing
Cross but I didn't know Camden Road once had another name?

Yes, it was Camden Town from 1870 until 1950 (having opened as Camden
Road in 1853).

--
Paul Terry

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Paul Terry wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
Also South Acton isn't there.

Closed 22 years earlier (1959).

So when did it reopen?

Colin McKenzie

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In message , Colin
McKenzie writes
Paul Terry wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
Also South Acton isn't there.
Closed 22 years earlier (1959).

So when did it reopen?

The station which closed never did re-open.

However, the reason why South Acton is not shown on the North London
Line indicator has already been given - the photo was taken on a Sunday,
and at this time even the remaining South Acton station was closed on
Sundays.

--
Paul Terry

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In article ,
(Colin McKenzie) wrote:

Paul Terry wrote:

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
Also South Acton isn't there.

Closed 22 years earlier (1959).

So when did it reopen?

I think he's confusing the District branch with the North London station
that never closed (except the District platform).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article .com,
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Any idea what (if any) services ran up the Lea Valley line from
Stratford
to Tottenham before that? And were there any other such services
after
'64? This bit of line is basically completely disused now (though
there
are plans to use it again), so it's interesting to know how it was
once
used.

I think the Palace Gates - North Woolwich was the only passenger
service using it at the time that the palace Gates branch closed, and
that Tottenham Hale - North Woolwich and finally the Tottenham Hale -
Stratford peak hours shuttle were the only passenger services at that
time.

There was an overnight train from Cambridge to Liverpool Street which
used it in the 70s, I seem to remember it going that way ? Involved a
lot of dossing on London termini if catching it before a railtour !

Nick
--
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In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:

I think the Palace Gates - North Woolwich was the only passenger
service using it at the time that the palace Gates branch closed, and
that Tottenham Hale - North Woolwich and finally the Tottenham Hale -
Stratford peak hours shuttle were the only passenger services at that
time.

There was an overnight train from Cambridge to Liverpool Street which
used it in the 70s, I seem to remember it going that way ? Involved a
lot of dossing on London termini if catching it before a railtour !

Stratford was a regular diversionary route for Liverpool Street -
Cambridge trains.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:
I think the Palace Gates - North Woolwich was the only passenger
service using it at the time that the palace Gates branch closed, and
that Tottenham Hale - North Woolwich and finally the Tottenham Hale -
Stratford peak hours shuttle were the only passenger services at that
time.
SNIP
Colin Rosenstiel

Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.
Cheerz,
Baz

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"Marratxi" wrote in message
...

Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...es/index.shtml

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...p?compid=26984
(towards the bottom, above the footnotes)

http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/...ace_Gates_Line

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:27:08 +0100, Marratxi wrote:

Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.

Palace as in Alexandra Palace.

Stratford LL-Palace Gates passenger service withdrawn 1963.
Seven Sisters - Palace Gates route closed end 1964.

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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...
"Marratxi" wrote in message
...
Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...es/index.shtml
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...p?compid=26984
(towards the bottom, above the footnotes)
http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/...ace_Gates_Line

Thanks, Jack !!
Baz

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"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:27:08 +0100, Marratxi wrote:

Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.
Palace as in Alexandra Palace.
Stratford LL-Palace Gates passenger service withdrawn 1963.
Seven Sisters - Palace Gates route closed end 1964.

Thanks, Chris. I thought it had to be Ally Pally but didn't know that the
NLL had gone anywhere near there or maybe I just completely misread the
thread.
Regardz,
Baz
http://mysite.freeserve.com/MajorcaRailways

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"Marratxi" wrote in message
...

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:27:08 +0100, Marratxi wrote:

Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more about
Palace
Gates ? Where, when, etc.
Palace as in Alexandra Palace.
Stratford LL-Palace Gates passenger service withdrawn 1963.
Seven Sisters - Palace Gates route closed end 1964.

Thanks, Chris. I thought it had to be Ally Pally but didn't know that the
NLL had gone anywhere near there or maybe I just completely misread the
thread.

The NLL as it exists today didn't go near Ally Pally. However until the
early 60s it consisted of two separate lines: Richmond to Broad Street via
Dalton Junction and Palace Gates to North Woolwich via Stratford LL - I
presume the latter went through South Tottenham and Lea Bridge.

Was there a service between Dalston and Stratford (the missing link that is
now part of the NLL) during the time that the Palace Gates service was
running, or even after the Palace Gates branch closed in 63 but before Broad
Street closed in the early 80s? Or did the Dalston-Stratford link only
"open" as a result of Broad Street - Dalston closing?

Question about Broad Street
 

In article ,
(Martin Underwood) wrote:

Was there a service between Dalston and Stratford (the missing link
that is now part of the NLL) during the time that the Palace Gates
service was running, or even after the Palace Gates branch closed in 63
but before Broad Street closed in the early 80s? Or did the
Dalston-Stratford link only "open" as a result of Broad Street -
Dalston closing?

I think that line closed to passengers in the war and that it was only
reopened when the service to Broad St was diverted.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Question about Broad Street
 

On 17 Apr 2005 00:05:51 -0700, Stephen Furley wrote:

It did close during the war, but re-opened before the closure of Broad
Street. At first it operated as a DMU service between Camden Road
and North Woolwich.

Presumably that's why there's bunting on the dmu in this picture?

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13857564.html

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Chris Tolley wrote in message ...
On 17 Apr 2005 00:05:51 -0700, Stephen Furley wrote:

It did close during the war, but re-opened before the closure of Broad
Street. At first it operated as a DMU service between Camden Road
and North Woolwich.

Presumably that's why there's bunting on the dmu in this picture?

http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13857564.html

That date sounds about right for the opening of the Camden Road
service, and it was worked by Cravens 105 units from Stratford depot.

I first did the journey soon after the new service started, and once
we got past Stratford Low Level, or maybe West Ham it was really
strange. The whole area was a vast wasteland, with derelict buildings
and long disused rail sidings all over the place. At Silvertown the
old tramway still converged from the south, with a gated level
crossing, the crossing gates were still there not long ago. This line
was no longer a through route, it served Wards scrapyard, and I think
one other site. The old swing bridge over one of the channels between
two of the dock basins was still in place. The whole area really has
changed totally since then.

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In article .com,
Rupert Candy writes
This is truly obscure, but I couldn't resist posting it - I was in
Stockholm earlier this week and was flabbergasted to find, attached to
the ceiling of an "English pub" (which is incidentally a very common
beast there) a NSE-era (ie blue and white) line diagram from Watford
Junction,

Not quite as obscure, but tidying my desk the other day I found a
British Rail map of London services dating from 1965.

Broad Street is shown as connecting to Richmond, via Dalston Junction,
Camden Road, and Gospel Oak "for Highgate". There are also peak hour
links from Camden Road to South Hampstead via Primrose Hill, and from
Dalston Junction to Finsbury Park.

There are also peak hour links from Kentish Town and Finsbury Park to
Moorgate via King's Cross (Met.), Farringdon, and Aldersgate.

Among the "local services" are
* Cheshunt to Stratford via Angel Road, Tottenham (not "Hale"), and Lea
Bridge
* Stratford to North Woolwich
* Kentish Town to Barking via Upper Holloway, Crouch Hill, and South
Tottenham
* Welwyn Garden City to Dunstable North with intermediate stations at
Wheathampstead, Harpenden East, Luton Hoo, Luton Bute Street, and
Dunstable Town.

From Watford Junction the trains ran to Euston, with peak hour services
to Croxley Green from both WJ and Bushey & Oxhey.

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Marratxi wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 15 Apr 2005:


Thanks, Chris. I thought it had to be Ally Pally but didn't know that the
NLL had gone anywhere near there or maybe I just completely misread the
thread.

There's still a station called Alexandra Palace, and you can get a WAGN
train to it from Moorgate or King's Cross - you do have to walk up the
hill to get to the ice rink, though, or catch a bus (W3 or W5, I think,
but I can't remember what).
--
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http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

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"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
...
Marratxi wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 15 Apr 2005:


Thanks, Chris. I thought it had to be Ally Pally but didn't know that the
NLL had gone anywhere near there or maybe I just completely misread the
thread.

There's still a station called Alexandra Palace, and you can get a WAGN
train to it from Moorgate or King's Cross - you do have to walk up the
hill to get to the ice rink, though, or catch a bus (W3 or W5, I think,
but I can't remember what).

W3...
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

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In article ,
(Mrs Redboots) wrote:

Marratxi wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 15 Apr 2005:

Thanks, Chris. I thought it had to be Ally Pally but didn't know that
the NLL had gone anywhere near there or maybe I just completely misread
the thread.

There's still a station called Alexandra Palace, and you can get a WAGN
train to it from Moorgate or King's Cross - you do have to walk up the
hill to get to the ice rink, though, or catch a bus (W3 or W5, I think,
but I can't remember what).

"Still" is a slightly dodgy word in this context. The old Wood Green
station is now called "Alexandra Palace". The previous station named
"Alexandra Palace" closed many years ago.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:22:12 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Not quite as obscure, but tidying my desk the other day I found a
British Rail map of London services dating from 1965.

Must've been quite a while since the last tidy-up...
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:22:12 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

* Kentish Town to Barking via Upper Holloway, Crouch Hill, and South
Tottenham

I did that route in about 1978 on one of those Bed-Pan DHMU's. I suppose
that some time in the dim and distant past, the services along that
route started from St. Pancras.
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Last week, Baz Marratxi asked:
Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more
about Palace Gates ? Where, when, etc.

Palace Gates station was indeed named after Alexandra Palace, but
was even farther from it than the present station of that name
(which was formerly called Wood Green). I don't have the exact
location, but it would appear to have been near the present-day
Imperial Road, which is off Bounds Green Road.

When Palace Gates opened on 1878-10-07, it was the terminus of a
Great Eastern branch extending 2 miles from Seven Sisters station
on their line to Enfield. An intermediate station on the branch
was Green Lanes, later called Noel Park, and the branch had opened
that far on 1878-01-01. There was a plan to extend the branch
to the Alexandra Palace station then existing, which actually was
adjacent to the palace, but this never came to fruition.

That Alexandra Palace station was the terminus of the Muswell Hill
Railway, a 3/4-mile branch line running northeast from a point
called Park Junction. This was 1/2 mile northwest of Highgate on
the Great Northern branch line that had originally ran straight
northwest from Finsbury Park to Edgware, then acquired a subsidiary
branch to High Barnet, and then the latter became more important
so that Edgware was now considered the subsidiary branch.

The Muswell Hill Railway first opened on 1873-05-24 along with
the palace, then closed and reopened several times over the years.
It was eventally bought by the GNR in 1911 and so became part of
the LNER. Thus if the connection had been completed, it would have
formed a loop like a bent and inverted letter U, Liverpool Street -
Bethnal Green - Seven Sisters - Palace Gates - Alexandra Palace -
Highgate - Finsbury Park - King's Cross. I don't know what actual
services were considered when the connection was being planned.

Another reuse for Alexandra Palace station that never came to
fruition was part of the 1930s Northern Heights plan. The LNER's
whole group of branches to High Barnet, Edgware, and Alexandra
Palace, along with the Moorgate - Finsbury Park route, were to
be transferred to the Underground's Northern Line, with track
connections at Finsbury Park and Highgate. But WW2, Austerity,
and planning changes left this project half-complete.

In the end, of course, the High Barnet branch was transferred to
the Northern Line, along with the Edgware branch only as far as
Mill Hill East, with the rest closing. But the Finsbury Park -
Highgate section, now serving only the Alexandra Palace branch,
remained in LNER and then BR hands, and closed in 1954. The station
name Alexandra Palace was subsequently transferred to Wood Green
on the main line.

The Palace Gates branch, being GER, had also become part of the
LNER, and in 1929 they decided to make a track connection from
there, not to Alexandra Palace, but onto their nearby Hertford loop.
This was not fully signalled until 1944, after which it was used
by Southend excursions. Most services continued to terminate at
Palace Gates; at this time off-peak trains just ran to Seven Sisters
while the peaks saw through service to Liverpool Street as well
as to North Woolwich (via South Tottenham) and perhaps other points.

Traffic at Palace Gates declined sharply in the postwar years;
passenger service ended on 1963-01-07 and the branch was closed
altogether on 1964-12-28.

[Most details in this posting are from "A Regional History of the
Railways of Great Britain", vol. 3, Greater London, by H.P. White,
1987 edition.]
--
Mark Brader | "...one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman
Toronto | Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to
| indicate successful termination of their C programs."
| -- Robert Firth
My text in this article is in the public domain.

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In article , (Mark Brader)
wrote:

Palace Gates station was indeed named after Alexandra Palace, but
was even farther from it than the present station of that name
(which was formerly called Wood Green). I don't have the exact
location, but it would appear to have been near the present-day
Imperial Road, which is off Bounds Green Road.

I think the station remains are still visible from the Hertford North
branch at the back of Bounds Green GNER depot. The aerial photo on
Multimap suggests it is still there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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I think the station remains are still visible from the Hertford North
branch at the back of Bounds Green GNER depot. The aerial photo on
Multimap suggests it is still there

The platforms and tracks were still there in the late-1970s, and were
used by trains to the household coal depot, which was situated between
the station and Bounds Green Depot.

Access was from the north end, and the coal depot had a pit road that
the 21-ton hoppers were discharged into. Wagons could be moved along
the pit road by means of a motor-driven steel cable.

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In article . com,
() wrote:

I think the station remains are still visible from the Hertford North
branch at the back of Bounds Green GNER depot. The aerial photo on
Multimap suggests it is still there

The platforms and tracks were still there in the late-1970s, and were
used by trains to the household coal depot, which was situated between
the station and Bounds Green Depot.

Access was from the north end, and the coal depot had a pit road that
the 21-ton hoppers were discharged into. Wagons could be moved along
the pit road by means of a motor-driven steel cable.

That was then but what about now?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote in message
ups.com...
I think the station remains are still visible from the Hertford North
branch at the back of Bounds Green GNER depot. The aerial photo on
Multimap suggests it is still there

The platforms and tracks were still there in the late-1970s, and were
used by trains to the household coal depot, which was situated between
the station and Bounds Green Depot.

Access was from the north end, and the coal depot had a pit road that
the 21-ton hoppers were discharged into. Wagons could be moved along
the pit road by means of a motor-driven steel cable.

As I previously posted: www.disused-stations.org.uk, click on "List of
Closed Railway Stations" and then select Palace Gates for more information.

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"Mark Brader" wrote in message
...
Last week, Baz Marratxi asked:
Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more
about Palace Gates ? Where, when, etc.

-- snipped

When Palace Gates opened on 1878-10-07, it was the terminus of a
Great Eastern branch extending 2 miles from Seven Sisters station
on their line to Enfield. An intermediate station on the branch
was Green Lanes, later called Noel Park, and the branch had opened
that far on 1878-01-01. There was a plan to extend the branch
to the Alexandra Palace station then existing, which actually was
adjacent to the palace, but this never came to fruition.

-- snipped

Thank you for a very interesting synopsis of the history of the Place Gates
line. However I would suggest that the main reason that the connection
between Palace Gates and (the then) Alexandra Palace station was not
progressed, would be due to the difference in height between the two
locations. As you note, the original Alexandra Palace station was part of
the "Northern Heights". This building can still be seen on the skyline from
the station now known as "Alexandra Palace" (and provided quite a spectacle
when it caught fire a few years ago). The gradient necessary for a link line
would probably have required the use of rack and pinion!

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In article ,
(J Lynch) wrote:

"Mark Brader" wrote in message
...
Last week, Baz Marratxi asked:
Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more
about Palace Gates ? Where, when, etc.

-- snipped

When Palace Gates opened on 1878-10-07, it was the terminus of a
Great Eastern branch extending 2 miles from Seven Sisters station
on their line to Enfield. An intermediate station on the branch
was Green Lanes, later called Noel Park, and the branch had opened
that far on 1878-01-01. There was a plan to extend the branch
to the Alexandra Palace station then existing, which actually was
adjacent to the palace, but this never came to fruition.

-- snipped

Thank you for a very interesting synopsis of the history of the Place
Gates line. However I would suggest that the main reason that the
connection between Palace Gates and (the then) Alexandra Palace station
was not progressed, would be due to the difference in height between the
two locations. As you note, the original Alexandra Palace station was
part of the "Northern Heights". This building can still be seen on the
skyline from the station now known as "Alexandra Palace" (and provided
quite a spectacle when it caught fire a few years ago). The gradient
necessary for a link line would probably have required the use of rack
and pinion!

I thought the original (prospective Northern line) Alexandra Palace
station was at the bottom of the hill from the actual palace?

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Colin Rosenstiel