Question about Broad Street
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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(J Lynch) wrote:

"Mark Brader" wrote in message
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Last week, Baz Marratxi asked:
Sorry to be ignorant but could somebody please tell me more
about Palace Gates ? Where, when, etc.

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When Palace Gates opened on 1878-10-07, it was the terminus of a
Great Eastern branch extending 2 miles from Seven Sisters station
on their line to Enfield. An intermediate station on the branch
was Green Lanes, later called Noel Park, and the branch had opened
that far on 1878-01-01. There was a plan to extend the branch
to the Alexandra Palace station then existing, which actually was
adjacent to the palace, but this never came to fruition.

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Thank you for a very interesting synopsis of the history of the Place
Gates line. However I would suggest that the main reason that the
connection between Palace Gates and (the then) Alexandra Palace station
was not progressed, would be due to the difference in height between the
two locations. As you note, the original Alexandra Palace station was
part of the "Northern Heights". This building can still be seen on the
skyline from the station now known as "Alexandra Palace" (and provided
quite a spectacle when it caught fire a few years ago). The gradient
necessary for a link line would probably have required the use of rack
and pinion!

I thought the original (prospective Northern line) Alexandra Palace
station was at the bottom of the hill from the actual palace?

It has been a while since I had a look, but my recollection is that the
station was immediately adjacent to the main building. At that time the
platforms were still extant, although they may have disappeared since then.

Question about Broad Street
 

J Lynch wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 25 Apr 2005:

Thank you for a very interesting synopsis of the history of the Place
Gates line. However I would suggest that the main reason that the
connection between Palace Gates and (the then) Alexandra Palace station
was not progressed, would be due to the difference in height between the
two locations. As you note, the original Alexandra Palace station was
part of the "Northern Heights". This building can still be seen on the
skyline from the station now known as "Alexandra Palace" (and provided
quite a spectacle when it caught fire a few years ago). The gradient
necessary for a link line would probably have required the use of rack
and pinion!

I thought the original (prospective Northern line) Alexandra Palace
station was at the bottom of the hill from the actual palace?

It has been a while since I had a look, but my recollection is that the
station was immediately adjacent to the main building. At that time the
platforms were still extant, although they may have disappeared since then.


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Question about Broad Street
 

J Lynch wrote:
It has been a while since I had a look, but my recollection is that
the station was immediately adjacent to the main building. At that
time the platforms were still extant, although they may have
disappeared since then.

The station was "round the back" of the building. Along side the side
facing Dukes Avenue at SW end of that side of the building. The site of the
platforms is now used as a car park, not the public car park, but used for
exhibitors at shows there.


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The station was "round the back" of the building. Along side the
side facing Dukes Avenue at SW end of that side of the building.

It actually remained in BR ownership and use for some years after final
closure, being used by staff researching issues surrounding paint
weathering.

The old Alexandra Palace station (was Question about Broad Street)
 

"John Shelley" wrote in message
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The station was "round the back" of the building. Along side the side
facing Dukes Avenue at SW end of that side of the building.

It's still there, and is a community centre called CUFOS (Community Use For
Old Station).

BTW, please change the subject line when the subject has changed, otherwise
it looks like you're still talking about Broad St Station.

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On 25 Apr 2005 08:06:36 -0700, wrote:

It actually remained in BR ownership and use for some years after final
closure, being used by staff researching issues surrounding paint
weathering.

So, is watching paint weather more or less boring than watching it dry?
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Question about Broad Street
 

wrote:
The station was "round the back" of the building. Along side the
side facing Dukes Avenue at SW end of that side of the building.

It actually remained in BR ownership and use for some years after
final
closure, being used by staff researching issues surrounding paint
weathering.

It, the research station, is shown in one of the BTF 'Report on
Modernisation' films, either No.1 or 2. They are shown testing samples
of lubricating oils from Diesel locomotives, using a huge spectrometer.

Question about Broad Street
 

Mark Brader wrote:

Palace Gates station was indeed named after Alexandra Palace, but
was even farther from it than the present station of that name
(which was formerly called Wood Green). I don't have the exact
location, but it would appear to have been near the present-day
Imperial Road, which is off Bounds Green Road.

No, it was between Dorset Road (which is its new-ish name) and Braemar
Road:
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...58&upright.y=5
It is now a small housing estate

There is a park/walkway over the former trackbed past the site of the
station, but the only other that actually remains are the remains of a
bridge at either side of Park Road.

Photos of the line he
http://www.pendar.pwp.blueyonder.co....laceGates.html

Question about Broad Street
 

Mark Brader:
... it would appear to have been near the present-day
Imperial Road, which is off Bounds Green Road.

"Stuart":
No, it was between Dorset Road (which is its new-ish name) and Braemar
Road ...

For "No", read "Yes"! Okay, it depends on how near "near" is.
Thanks for the details and links.
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What happened to them? are they the ones that are at the west end of
the platforms that go up to the metropolitan line, or are connected to
that wierd bridge over the eastbound platform at the west end?

Question about Broad Street
 

I think they may be the three wierd round things that sit outside the
broadgate centre on liverpool street, by UBS.

Question about Broad Street
 

it doesnt make any sense without quoting the original, so Im going to
do that, and repeat my response -

There were two ancient, and long disused, lifts on the concourse
at
Broad Street,
There were also escalators from Broad Street to the Central Line.
Would those lift shafts still be there buried under the new buildings
or were they completely filled in?

I think the lift shafts may be the three wierd round things that sit
outside the
broadgate centre on liverpool street, by UBS.

But what happened to the escalators? are they the ones that are at the
west end of
the platforms that go up to the metropolitan line, or are connected to
that wierd bridge over the eastbound platform at the west end?

Question about Broad Street
 

In article .com,
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But what happened to the escalators? are they the ones that are at the
west end of
the platforms that go up to the metropolitan line, or are connected to
that wierd bridge over the eastbound platform at the west end?

No, in both cases. There were separate Liverpool Street and Broad Street
escalators, and the ones you're discussing are all the former.

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Wasn't that a waste of escalators?
Why have escalators going west from the end of the platforms when you
can just have an extra westward passage at the surface, where the one
they are planning to put in to join up with crossrail is going to be?
Didn't it just cause huge problems at the end of the platform where you
get people leaving and entering from broad street getting in the way of
people trying to go to liverpool street?
I'd have thought that was really bad planning.