londoncityslicker wrote:

"Richard J." wrote in message
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Steve Peake wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:50:32 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:


PS out of interest, nobody surveyed in Hounslow explicitly opposed
the scheme, and 81% explicitly supported it. Although the sample
isn't large enough, it would be interesting to see where the
people surveyed in Hounslow lived.

The whole project has had zero impact on Hounslow, the question
might as well have been "Do you support trams".

Without further knowledge on just how traffic flow might be
affected in the area, I don't see how anyone can really comment
either way.

Which is why, no doubt, TfL chose to announce very late in the
consultation the recommended diversionary routes for traffic forced off
the Uxbridge Road at places like Acton High Street. The information was
in an extra .pdf file on their site, but they didn't bother to tell all
the people who had by then received the consultation leaflet which
omitted that information. One wonders how much those surveyed in
Hounslow were told about the diversionary routes.

Did the mean Hounslow the town or Hounslow Borough?

If they meant Hounslow borough then that takes in Chiswick, Brentford
and Osterley.
ie some of the places directly affected by the tram route which as the
article says
'may' force additional cars into those areas.

Hounslow the town may well say yes to the West london tram as they
would not be directly affected.
Hounslow needs a tram itself (along the A315 from Chiswick to Feltham)
but I have doubts anyone would vote for one.

They're talking about the borough. There is a map given with the survey
information to show the inner and outer areas surveyed, and the outer
area mainly includes Chiswick within LB Hounslow.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

John Rowland wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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Secondly, the article says that the survey company
carried out interviews in 6 LBs as well as South Bucks -
but the sample size was too small to be worthwhile
statistically in South Bucks, Kensington &
Chelsea, Brent and Hounslow.

Let's do a little maths. We'll call those voters in the boroughs where
small samples were taken, "bad" voters.

Let's introduce a worst-case scenario. Those naughty "bad" voters all
vote "for" the tram, skewing the poll in favour of it, when their votes
statistically don't count.


If that's what the survey said, I'll give you the money myself! A more
realistic hypothesis would be that the voters in Kensingtyon, Brent etc
would all vote *against* the tram, since they will be paying for its
construction but won't benefit from it in any way.

As I discovered later, the reality was that 77% of those in Brent, 81%
in Hounslow, 63% in K&C and 45% in S Bucks explicitly supported the
tram. The numbers explicity opposing it were below 10% except in S Bucks
where it was 25%. 0% of the surveyees in LB Hounslow opposed it!

Does that mean I get some of the money? I could use it to build a tram
network centered on South Kensington... ;-)

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:08:42 +0100, londoncityslicker wrote:

Did the mean Hounslow the town or Hounslow Borough?

If they meant Hounslow borough then that takes in Chiswick, Brentford and
Osterley.
ie some of the places directly affected by the tram route which as the
article says
'may' force additional cars into those areas.

Hounslow the town may well say yes to the West london tram as they would not
be directly affected.
Hounslow needs a tram itself (along the A315 from Chiswick to Feltham) but I
have doubts anyone would vote for one.

315!, *shudder*, I really don't think that would fit.

Now the A4....

Simpsons[1]
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
/Simpsons

http://tinyurl.com/4gjbt
aka
(http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...orail_plan.php)

*Cough*

Steve


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