Rupert Candy wrote:
Robin Mayes wrote:

"Dave Plumb" wrote in message
...

Someone at work has a Z1-4 season and travels in from Oakleigh

Park,

changing at Finsbury Park/Highbury, and rarely touched in there or

out on

her journey home. She said she never had a problem with it, so

maybe it

doesn't fine you.

As in the above text:

If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

So, if you have a Z1-4 season and only touch in / out in Z1&2 the

ticket is

perfectly valid.


And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Soon they'll be forced to be interested - once the Railways Bill comes
into effect, TfL will have much more influence over railways within
London, particularly in the fares department - the Bill makes strong
allusions to the rollout of Oyster across the whole GLA area, and makes
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Rupert Candy wrote:
And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within
zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out
at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are
totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Soon they'll be forced to be interested - once the Railways Bill
comes
into effect, TfL will have much more influence over railways within
London, particularly in the fares department - the Bill makes strong
allusions to the rollout of Oyster across the whole GLA area, and
makes
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

Dave, you are an eternal fount of knowledge. That is very interesting
indeed - any idea of the timetable for the Bill?

"Rupert Candy" wrote

Dave, you are an eternal fount of knowledge. That is very interesting
indeed - any idea of the timetable for the Bill?

It's now the Railways Act. The dft have published their current thinking on
how they see things working out in London:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...sp#P637_115878

Peter

Dave Arquati wrote:
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

So do we lose the cheap £1.50 SWT cheap day returns in favour of
£4.40 TFL zonal returns then? What about YP railcards?

wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

a bit of a noise about fares integration too.


So do we lose the cheap £1.50 SWT cheap day returns in favour of
£4.40 TFL zonal returns then? What about YP railcards?

All undecided yet, although TfL aim to apply TfL zonal fares across the
rail network. Whether that means abolishing existing fare structures or
creating some sort of hybrid structure isn't obvious.

Interestingly, from last year, YP Railcards attract a discount on the
TfL portion of through rail-TfL fares when they didn't before (i.e.
before, the NR portion of the ticket was discounted by 1/3 but the TfL
portion wasn't; now, both are discounted by 1/3). That seems like a
progressive policy for YPRs which must have been negotiated between ATOC
and TfL, so I doubt they'd adopt an unfriendly stance towards YPRs.

Personally, I'd like my Oyster to be linked to my YPR so I only get
capped as far as a YP ODTC price... unlikely though. Perhaps I should
see if they'll consider an equivalent reduced cap for TfL Student
photocard holders.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Rupert Candy wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Rupert Candy wrote:

And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Soon they'll be forced to be interested - once the Railways Bill comes
into effect, TfL will have much more influence over railways within
London, particularly in the fares department - the Bill makes strong
allusions to the rollout of Oyster across the whole GLA area, and makes
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

Dave, you are an eternal fount of knowledge.

If only that could be said for my degree - then I might stand a chance
of passing my imminent exams...

That is very interesting
indeed - any idea of the timetable for the Bill?

It's been passed, in the rush to get legislation through before
Parliament stopped for the election. It will be enacted progressively
from June onwards, with the aim being that most of it will be in force
by the end of the year. I presume that particular timetable depends on
the outcome of the election...

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Personally, I'd like my Oyster to be linked to my YPR so I only get
capped as far as a YP ODTC price... unlikely though. Perhaps I should

see if they'll consider an equivalent reduced cap for TfL Student
photocard holders.

Would make some kind of sense if the YP and student cards could be
combined. It seems daft that on one journey you can end up having to
show five bits of card (season ticket, season ticket student photocard,
outward extension, yp railcard, unused return extension)