Questions about road marking
 

Hello everyone,


I'm a french student, making researchs on the www fo find elements for an
history of road marking (in Paris).

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

Then, does someone knows when were the first signs "painted" on the roads
(don't know which product it was actually before now). It seems that england
may have done this before France, for what I heard in a french factory
producing various products for raod marking.

Finally, I'd be grateful if some of you could list some keywords of road
marking in english so that it would help me to go on with my researchs in
english and not only in french...

I have this
pedestrian crossing = crosswalk = zebra crossing
(how were the zebra crossing before the age of white lines ? In paris,
"nails" were used until the years 1970s as you can see here
http://www.toddwebbphotographs.com/france/50-32.html )

pavement marking seems to be a US term

Are there specific technical words for the different kind of lines dot
lines, etc...

Are there resources on the www to find the rules used by english road
engineers ? ... There's a governemental site for road safety in France with
the french instructions at
http://www.securiteroutiere.equipeme.../signalisation
/l-instruction-interministerielle-sur-la-signalisat.html

Thanks to those who will be willing to help -and apologizes for the english
mistakes-

Nicolas Delnatte

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:07 +0200, Nicolas
wrote in :

I'm a french student, making researchs on the www fo find elements for an
history of road marking (in Paris).

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs_index.htm
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm
and especially http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm#167


--
Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:07 +0200, "Nicolas"
wrote:


Are there resources on the www to find the rules used by english road
engineers ? ... There's a governemental site for road safety in France with
the french instructions at
http://www.securiteroutiere.equipeme.../signalisation
/l-instruction-interministerielle-sur-la-signalisat.html

Is this any use http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm ?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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"Dr Ivan D. Reid" a écrit dans le message de
...
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:07 +0200, Nicolas
wrote in :

I'm a french student, making researchs on the www fo find elements for
an
history of road marking (in Paris).

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can
be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs_index.htm
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm
and especially http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm#167

And have a look at : http://www.trl.co.uk/

By the way, I don't think the photo on the home page was taken in the UK ;-)

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

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"Alan (in Brussels)" a écrit dans le message
de ...

"Dr Ivan D. Reid" a écrit dans le message de
...
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:07 +0200, Nicolas
wrote in :

I'm a french student, making researchs on the www fo find elements for
an
history of road marking (in Paris).

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that
can
be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs_index.htm
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm
and especially http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm#167

And have a look at : http://www.trl.co.uk/

By the way, I don't think the photo on the home page was taken in the UK
;-)

Sorry, I now realise that different photos are used, I was thinking of the
one showing a very overloaded train .

And in any case, you would do better to visit:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/

--
Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:07 +0200, "Nicolas"
wrote:


Are there resources on the www to find the rules used by english
road
engineers ? ... There's a governemental site for road safety in
France with
the french instructions at

http://www.securiteroutiere.equipeme.../signalisation
/l-instruction-interministerielle-sur-la-signalisat.html

Is this any use http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm ?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

All the UK signs & markings regulations can be found at:
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_roads/documents/divisionhomepage/032477.hcsp

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"Nicolas" wrote in message
...

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

Note that they are white if the restriction is full-time, such as on a
crossing. There are also yellow zigzags which can be found around schools,
and here the restriction is part-time.

Finally, I'd be grateful if some of you could list some keywords of road
marking in english so that it would help me to go on with my researchs in
english and not only in french...

I have this
pedestrian crossing = crosswalk = zebra crossing

We also have "toucan crossing" and "pelican crossing". Incidentally, the
flashing yellow ball on top of a pole is called a Belisha Beacon.

(how were the zebra crossing before the age of white lines ? In paris,
"nails" were used until the years 1970s as you can see here
http://www.toddwebbphotographs.com/france/50-32.html )

The correct English name is "studs", not "nails". They used them here in the
1970s, but I don't think they use them now.

pavement marking seems to be a US term

Traffic engineers in England call the traffic surface the "pavement", even
though ordinary people in England use "pavement" to describe only the
pedestrian walkway beside the traffic surface.

Are there specific technical words for the different
kind of lines dot lines, etc...

I believe there are no names for the different markings which separate
traffic lanes. The only words for road markings which I can recall are
"chevron", "stripe", "dash" and "box junction". A "mini roundabout" is also
a road marking. Also look up "red route" (I believe these only exist in
London).

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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In article ,
Alan (in Brussels) wrote:
And have a look at : http://www.trl.co.uk/

By the way, I don't think the photo on the home page was taken in the UK ;-)

Looks like LuL SSL stock to me, so I'm not sure why you
say that.

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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Thanks to all of you for your kind answers ! :)


Nicolas Delnatte


John Rowland a écrit dans le
message : ...
"Nicolas" wrote in message
...

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can
be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg

Note that they are white if the restriction is full-time, such as on a
crossing. There are also yellow zigzags which can be found around schools,
and here the restriction is part-time.

Finally, I'd be grateful if some of you could list some keywords of road
marking in english so that it would help me to go on with my researchs
in
english and not only in french...

I have this
pedestrian crossing = crosswalk = zebra crossing

We also have "toucan crossing" and "pelican crossing". Incidentally, the
flashing yellow ball on top of a pole is called a Belisha Beacon.

(how were the zebra crossing before the age of white lines ? In paris,
"nails" were used until the years 1970s as you can see here
http://www.toddwebbphotographs.com/france/50-32.html )

The correct English name is "studs", not "nails". They used them here in
the
1970s, but I don't think they use them now.

pavement marking seems to be a US term

Traffic engineers in England call the traffic surface the "pavement", even
though ordinary people in England use "pavement" to describe only the
pedestrian walkway beside the traffic surface.

Are there specific technical words for the different
kind of lines dot lines, etc...

I believe there are no names for the different markings which separate
traffic lanes. The only words for road markings which I can recall are
"chevron", "stripe", "dash" and "box junction". A "mini roundabout" is
also
a road marking. Also look up "red route" (I believe these only exist in
London).

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" typed


The correct English name is "studs", not "nails". They used them here in the
1970s, but I don't think they use them now.

Ziz-zags replaced studs at zebra crossings in the early 1970s (?1971) if
my memory is correct.
The were introduced much later for Pelicans I think.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

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John Rowland wrote:
"Nicolas" wrote in message
...

First of all, I'd like to know the leaning of the zigzag lines that can be
seen in many streets in London, also shown on this picture :
http://www.fh-oow.de/fbbug/html/h_a/...road-zebra.jpg


Note that they are white if the restriction is full-time, such as on a
crossing. There are also yellow zigzags which can be found around schools,
and here the restriction is part-time.

Just to add some confusion:

The yellow zig-zags which exist outside school entrances have no legal
force unless there is a TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) and associated
'plates' giving details of restriction. I my experience VERY few yellow
zi-zags have TROs, hence drivers who park can only be done under
'obstruction' rules by police or traffic wardens.

Further confusion results in areas which have LAPE (Local Authority
Parking Enforcement) (most of London?) Here 'Parking Attendants' issue
PCNs (Penalty Charge Notices) for 'contraventions' of waiting
restrictions. Such people have no powers to deal with obstruction
offences, stopping on zig-zags approaching pedestrian crossings, or
stoppings in cycle lanes.

So where 'LAPE' is currently in force you are less likely to get DONE
for the major 'infringement' especially as in some LAPE areas the police
seem to had absolved themselves of responsibilty for 'enforcement' of
many of the above items not covered by 'Parking Attendants'



You can see more about this issue at:
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/newsletters/58/article6.html

Jim Chisholm

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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" typed

The correct English name is "studs", not "nails". They used them
here in the 1970s, but I don't think they use them now.

Ziz-zags replaced studs at zebra crossings in the early 1970s
(?1971) if my memory is correct.

Depends which studs you are talking about, but first a bit of history:

I believe that pedestrian crossings marked with studs existed before
1934, but in that year Leslie Hore-Belisha, as Minister of Transport,
added to the crossings the yellow 'Belisha' beacons, which were
continuously lit. Then, in 1951, these were changed to Zebra Crossings,
with white stripes painted between the rows of studs, and flashing
beacons.

Later, a double row of studs on the approach side of the road were added
to define the area in which parking of vehicles was prohibited. It is
these studs that were later changed to zig-zag lines. Meanwhile, the
studs marking the width of the crossing remained, though generally
replaced by squares of white paint. Example at
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/ecchav/...reet/str11.htm

Note however, that these painted "studs" are redundant as there are also
dotted lines across the road. I believe that the studs are not now used
on new crossings.

Nicolas may be interested in this site which says that white lines (to
mark the centre of the road) were first introduced in 1927:
http://www.roadsafetyuk.co.uk/histall.htm
(Note that it says that Belisha beacons were flashing from 1934, which I
am sure is wrong.)

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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"Richard J." wrote in message
. uk...

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" typed

The correct English name is "studs", not "nails". They used them
here in the 1970s, but I don't think they use them now.

Ziz-zags replaced studs at zebra crossings in the early 1970s
(?1971) if my memory is correct.

Depends which studs you are talking about, but first a bit of history:

I believe that pedestrian crossings marked with studs existed before 1934,
but in that year Leslie Hore-Belisha, as Minister of Transport, added to
the crossings the yellow 'Belisha' beacons, which were continuously lit.
Then, in 1951, these were changed to Zebra Crossings, with white stripes
painted between the rows of studs, and flashing beacons.

Later, a double row of studs on the approach side of the road were added
to define the area in which parking of vehicles was prohibited. It is
these studs that were later changed to zig-zag lines. Meanwhile, the
studs marking the width of the crossing remained, though generally
replaced by squares of white paint. Example at
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/ecchav/...reet/str11.htm

Note however, that these painted "studs" are redundant as there are also
dotted lines across the road. I believe that the studs are not now used
on new crossings.

Nicolas may be interested in this site which says that white lines (to
mark the centre of the road) were first introduced in 1927:
http://www.roadsafetyuk.co.uk/histall.htm

There was also an experiment in the 1960s with an alternative crossing
called a Panda Crossing:
http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/onthisda...00/3044335.stm


It was not a success: "...the black and white triangular markings with their
sequence of flashing lights have caused little more than utter confusion on
the roads."
http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/onthisda...00/2840919.stm

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"Richard J." wrote in message
. uk...

http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/ecchav/...reet/str11.htm

Beautiful street lamps, but I wonder why 2 of them are double-sided. Maybe
they had run out of the single-sided ones.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes