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I go through liverpool street station everyday on my way to work, and
Ive noticed these things about 3 metres high, and 3 metres across, that are totally round, and appear to have air vents at the top. They sit outside the offices of UBS in the broadgate centre, on liverpool street, and are built in the same design as the rest of broadgate. Now, I know a bit about the history of broadgate, and that it used to be a mainline station called broad street, and assumed that these might be the old lift shafts for the broad street entrance to liverpool street central line tube station, since they seem to be close to above where the bridge runs over the west end of the eastbound platform. But recently I noticed that apart from the two near the bus stops, there is a third seperated from them some way to the west, with a door in it, so I was wondering what this might be, as it doesnt make any sense. Secondly, the other thing ive noticed is that, since liverpool street mainline station was extended south by about half its size (you can tell by looking at the dirtyness of the roof, and there is a join in the brickwork at the far end of the busstops) in 1992, the underground station entrances would be completely outside the original station. But looking at some old pictures of the station, there is an entrance road to the station there, so how did you get to the tube? |
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ups.com... Now, I know a bit about the history of broadgate, and that it used to be a mainline station called broad street, and assumed that these might be the old lift shafts for the broad street entrance to liverpool street central line tube station, since they seem to be close to above where the bridge runs over the west end of the eastbound platform. I believe they are associated with the Central Line substation, the cables to/from which use an old Broad Street escalator shaft. Whether they correspond to the old lift-shafts I wouldn't like to say. |
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Now, I know a bit about the history of broadgate, and that it used to
be a mainline station called broad street, and assumed that these might be the old lift shafts for the broad street entrance to liverpool street central line tube station, since they seem to be close to above where the bridge runs over the west end of the eastbound platform. I believe they are associated with the Central Line substation, the cables to/from which use an old Broad Street escalator shaft. Whether they correspond to the old lift-shafts I wouldn't like to say. Ive found this link : http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277473.html that seems to show an entrance to the tube where the two round things are. What confuses me really is the third one out on its own on the corner by bloomfield street. It seems a bit too far away from the tube to be a lift or a stair shaft, and its on the wrong side of the main broad street entrance in the picture (its about where the chunky sign sticks out) so Im puzzled what it could possibly be. |
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I meant the central line rather than the circle line - where the
escalators are now is where you have marked "offices" on your plan, but on a 1980s photo - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/c483527.html - there is a road there, rather than a building for "offices". So I was wondering how you got to the central line, as there doesnt seem to be any way to go in, or did everyone have to go via broad street? |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 13:36:02 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
Liverpool Street used to have short platforms (1-8), very long platforms (9-10), and long platforms (11-18). | J | ============= |--------------------+ ============= L =====9/10 tracks================== |-----+ ========================= | | ========================= with the L showing where the entrance to the Circle Line was Indeed, and in the misty past, the track themselves used to carry on. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767111.html (303 082 taking the Glossop line off Dinting Viaduct in 1985) |
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writes L =====9/10 tracks================== with the L showing where the entrance to the Circle Line was Indeed, and in the misty past, the track themselves used to carry on. No: the ones that connected to the Circle Line were platforms 1 and 2. That's why, until the rebuild, platform 1 was reached via a footbridge. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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lonelytraveller writes I meant the central line rather than the circle line - where the escalators are now is where you have marked "offices" on your plan, but on a 1980s photo - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/c483527.html - there is a road there, rather than a building for "offices". That's the cab road (you're dragging back memories here). If you look at the photo in that gallery showing the Great Eastern Hotel, the train is on platform 9, the Circle entrance is under the hotel, the offices are visible on the right. The picture with the Solari board shows 12 to 18. The roof over these was removed and replaced by a concrete raft holding up offices. The present roof is on the other side of the brick arches visible at left. You can also see the footbridge that took you over 9 and 10 (and all the way across the station, IIRC). http://www.photolondon.org.uk/assets/nmr/large/cc73_2309.jpg is looking down the offices towards the country end; you can see the footbridge behind the destination board. http://freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb.com/~cyberheritage/lond22.jpg is looking towards the offices from platform 5. The white building above the platform number is a bistro, with the footbridge behind it. http://www.ben****ers.org/images/fro...reetstation.jp g shows platform 9. You can see cars behind platform 10; I think the cab road came down there. So I was wondering how you got to the central line, as there doesnt seem to be any way to go in, or did everyone have to go via broad street? There was a subsurface ticket hall. Then, IIRC, there were two passageways leading to staircases. One emerged somewhere around platform 11 - indeed, I believe it's still there - and the other over near 1/2. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 21:13:09 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Chris Tolley writes L =====9/10 tracks================== with the L showing where the entrance to the Circle Line was Indeed, and in the misty past, the track themselves used to carry on. No: the ones that connected to the Circle Line were platforms 1 and 2. That's why, until the rebuild, platform 1 was reached via a footbridge. Yes, sir, you're quite right. The memory fades. That's my excuse. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767193.html (318 252 at Glasgow Central in 1991) |
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there are some passages like that now for the other entrance to the
tube (the one with escalators going both ways, left and right), but they would have been outside the building on the cab road in 1985, unless they moved them. I guess that ticket office itself would have been just inside, as I think its dead in the centre of the whole station now, so I suppose they could have moved them, but Id have thought it would have been more sensible to just have steps straight into it, or have made the escalators go to the surface or something, and come out just by the offices, unless it was under platform 9? But if thats the case, then why did they build it in the one place inside the station they couldn't get to the surface?. |
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lonelytraveller writes there are some passages like that now for the other entrance to the tube (the one with escalators going both ways, left and right), I've just been there to look, and that is the original Central Line booking hall. The passages are the original ones I was remembering, one emerging by platform 1 and the other by platforms 11/12. Before 1992 the former would have emerged at a side entrance at the corner of the offices. My previous plan wasn't detailed enough; the offices did not reach quite back to Liverpool Street itself, and I have memories of there being a memorial wall in the side entrance. but they would have been outside the building on the cab road in 1985, No. The platform 1 one would have been behind the offices, and the platform 11/12 one in the middle of the station (from memory, beside the arched wall between 10 and 11). unless they moved them. I guess that ticket office itself would have been just inside, as I think its dead in the centre of the whole station now, so I suppose they could have moved them, but Id have thought it would have been more sensible to just have steps straight into it, or have made the escalators go to the surface or something, and come out just by the offices, unless it was under platform 9? Yes, it was. But if thats the case, then why did they build it in the one place inside the station they couldn't get to the surface?. Because the GER gave them the space free in exchange for an agreement not to extend beyond Liverpool Street. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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lonelytraveller writes I meant the central line rather than the circle line - where the escalators are now is where you have marked "offices" on your plan, but on a 1980s photo - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/c483527.html - there is a road there, rather than a building for "offices". I went to Liverpool Street this morning to look around. Looking again at Chris Tolley's pictures: The one showing the Solari board: the roof above platforms 12 to 17 has now been completely removed but the barrier line is roughly in the same place as shown. This picture would appear to have been taken from the walkway along the side of the ticket office (now a pub). At the extreme left you can see a staircase up to the footbridge - the (present) platform 11/12 exit from the Central emerged just beside it. The one showing the Great Eastern Hotel sign is taken on the old platform 9; the photo was taken from a point which is *now* around the buffer stop of platform 8 but was then well outside the barrier line. The offices on the right are the ones I am referring to. The hotel fascia, with that flat-arch top, is still there opposite 9 and 10. On its right is now McDonalds. If you look in the picture you can see a sign pointing to Liverpool Street, Taxis, and Broad Street; I *think* that the other Central Line exit (the one now by platform 1) was there. The wide space between 10 and 11 still there today was, I am fairly sure, the cab arrival and parcels area, including chutes down to MailRail. I can't work out where the outside picture was taken, so I can't see how that sloping road fits in. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article , Clive D. W.
Feather writes snip I can't work out where the outside picture was taken, so I can't see how that sloping road fits in. Isn't the door on the right the back entrance to the GE hotel looking from Bishopsgate with the building at the back being the old 50 Liverpool Street Offices? -- John Alexander, |
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sorry, I meant why didnt they move it slightly west so that the
escalators could get to the surface, rather than the tube line |
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The sloping road one is taken from liverpool street - the road where
the bus stops are now is on the left, and mcdonalds is on the extreme right - there is a similar picture from about 1920 that shows a slightly wider area - http://www.tfsimon.com/england-liver...tation.bmp.jpg. There is one from 1985 that just shows it - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277472.html And here is one that just shows the very top of the slope - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13296306.html The slope should be where mr feather put the offices. |
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lonelytraveller writes And here is one that just shows the very top of the slope - http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13296306.html You can see a slope in that? That's the Liverpool Street side of the hotel and is still there (I recognise the railings at first floor level). The metal framework just visible is where McDonalds and the entrance opposite the low numbered platforms now is; the offices had already gone. However, now I've got my bearings: the ramp in Chris's outside picture (um, http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277478.html) goes down behind the offices which, I agree, might not have been as wide as platform 1. I also found a note saying that the platform ends we 1&2: 0 miles 4 chains 3-8: 0 miles 5 chains 9&10: 0 miles 0 chains 11-18: 0 miles 2 chains -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
However, now I've got my bearings: the ramp in Chris's outside picture (um, http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277478.html) goes down behind the offices which, I agree, might not have been as wide as platform 1. Underneath that slope was a British Railways Staff Association-owned gymnasium, certainly as late as the mid-1970s. |
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sorry, I think that link must have gone a bit wrong - I meant the prior
picture http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277471.html |
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Its a cash machine now.
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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article . com, writes Underneath that slope was a British Railways Staff Association-owned gymnasium, certainly as late as the mid-1970s. Is that the one that occupies the track-bed of the original Metropolitan Line curve to platforms 1 & 2? The link from the GER to the Met went to the left, looking down the slope, and did contain staff facilities in later years, my memory suggested a canteen, but it could have been a gym. -- Cheers for now, John from Harrow, Middx remove spamnocars to reply |
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my memory suggested a canteen, but it could
have been a gym. It was a Staff Association premises, always known as The Gymnasium. It certainly was a gym originally, but I think it became largely just another drinking club over the years. |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:40:35 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
I went to Liverpool Street this morning to look around. Looking again at Chris Tolley's pictures: The one showing the Solari board: the roof above platforms 12 to 17 has now been completely removed but the barrier line is roughly in the same place as shown. This picture ... http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277470.html ... would appear to have been taken from the walkway along the side of the ticket office (now a pub). That's right. I was resting my camera on the handrail. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632804.html (31 143 at Leamington Spa in 1985, just before a torrential downpour) |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:40:35 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
I went to Liverpool Street this morning to look around. Looking again at Chris Tolley's pictures: The one showing the Great Eastern Hotel sign (http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277464.html) is taken on the old platform 9; the photo was taken from a point which is *now* around the buffer stop of platform 8 but was then well outside the barrier line. That's right. I then walked toward the Hotel and took two more pictures, looking away from the buffers (these aren't in the "stations section of my fotopic site, so you may not have noticed them): http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14105313.html http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p12686836.html (Preserved Glasgow Tram 1282 at Crich Tramway Museum in 2000) |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:40:35 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
Looking again at Chris Tolley's pictures: I can't work out where the outside picture (http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277478.html) was taken, so I can't see how that sloping road fits in. It was on the corner across the road from the Underground station entrance. What was left of Broad Street station was to my left. I also found a pic of the original platform 1: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767181.html What I can't recall is where exactly I was when I took the one during the rebuilding: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13296304.html Would that have been where the escalator entrance is from Bishopsgate? -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9946356.html (Passing the buddleia - 155 343 arrives at Halifax in 2004) |
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In article , Chris Tolley
writes That's right. I then walked toward the Hotel and took two more pictures, looking away from the buffers (these aren't in the "stations section of my fotopic site, so you may not have noticed them): http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14105313.html http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html I hadn't. Looking at the first, I think that piece of wall has been removed but I could be mis-remembering. It gives the impression that there's another wall behind it with something (a taxi ramp?) between them. The second shows something I had completely forgotten - the siding. I *think* that the present platform 10 track is where the siding was, and the platform 10 track shown there has been paved over. Certainly it would help explain why there's a wide space between 10 and 11 in the present station. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article , Chris Tolley
writes I also found a pic of the original platform 1: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767181.html Were tracks 1 and 2 longer than 3 to 8? The steps on platform 2 sort of imply it. My memory was that there was a footbridge from 2 to 1, but that picture makes it look more like you just walked around the end. Curious. Unless it's that construct in the distance, but that would make the tracks a *lot* longer. What I can't recall is where exactly I was when I took the one during the rebuilding: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13296304.html Would that have been where the escalator entrance is from Bishopsgate? Here I *can* help. The wider roof arches on the right are the ones over platforms 9 and 10 - look at your other pictures to see what I mean. So you're standing roughly where the Circle Line now emerges, underneath McDonalds. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article , Chris Tolley
writes The one showing the Solari board: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277470.html More memories. That Solari wasn't the normal one-column-per-train or a simple summary. Rather, it was divided into four parts. On the left was the West Anglia locals, of which more below. Then there was the "main line" services. Much of this one was normal, but the calling points were spelled out on single-letter flaps like many airports, rather than complete-name flaps as the destinations were (and platforms, times, and buffer notes). I don't know why it was done this way; there weren't *that* many places involved. [By the way, Cambridge was "main line" in those days; look at the second train down.] Third was the arrivals board (for main line services only) with two sets of times. Finally, on the right, was the Great Eastern locals. Underneath each section was a bit for additional messages, also using one letter per flap. The two local sections didn't show the calling points directly. Instead the last flap on each line was a single letter (white or yellow, I forget which, on the WA and green on the GE). On the board you can see line diagrams and a long key for the letters. So "A" on both was "all stations", "B" on the GE might be "Shenfield, then all stations", and so on. I do remember that many of the GE codes were in pairs, one with "except Prittlewell" and one without. And the last code on each ("X" or "Z") was "see displays at the platform". Oh yes, each platform ticket barrier had a single column Solari which showed the train there at the moment and all its calling points. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:05:43 +0100, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Chris Tolley I also found a pic of the original platform 1: http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9767181.html Were tracks 1 and 2 longer than 3 to 8? The steps on platform 2 sort of imply it. Yes, but not by much. Half a coach length, perhaps. My memory was that there was a footbridge from 2 to 1, but that picture makes it look more like you just walked around the end. Curious. Both, IIRC. In http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html there's a red footbridge. This went across the width of that side of the station. Plat 1&2 buffers were just underneath it, but all the other platform gates were a few yards in front of it. So you could walk down off that bridge, or you could walk round the buffers by going underneath it. |
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In article , Chris Tolley
writes Were tracks 1 and 2 longer than 3 to 8? The steps on platform 2 sort of imply it. Yes, but not by much. Half a coach length, perhaps. Sounds right. My memory was that there was a footbridge from 2 to 1, but that picture makes it look more like you just walked around the end. Curious. Both, IIRC. In http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html there's a red footbridge. This went across the width of that side of the station. Indeed, I mentioned it in one of my earlier postings. Plat 1&2 buffers were just underneath it, but all the other platform gates were a few yards in front of it. So you could walk down off that bridge, or you could walk round the buffers by going underneath it. Ah, of course. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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