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Old A-Zs of London
Can anyone help?
Old Ordnance Survey maps, and old bus maps (through the excellent Mike Harris website) are easy to get hold of, but can anyone suggest a bookshop that sells old London A-Zs? Thanks in advance The Absent Minded Professor |
Old A-Zs of London
The Absent Minded Professor wrote:
Can anyone help? Old Ordnance Survey maps, and old bus maps (through the excellent Mike Harris website) are easy to get hold of, but can anyone suggest a bookshop that sells old London A-Zs? You could try the bookstore at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre @ Quainton Road - I was in there a while back and they're packed with lots of old railway-related merchandise, some of which appeared to be A-Zs. |
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"The Absent Minded Professor"
myfirstnames@surnameyearofbirthadotgoesherefreese rve.co.uk wrote in message ... Can anyone help? Old Ordnance Survey maps, and old bus maps (through the excellent Mike Harris website) are easy to get hold of, but can anyone suggest a bookshop that sells old London A-Zs? Thanks in advance The Absent Minded Professor There are a couple on eBay at the moment, one originally priced at 3/6d. |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 21:01:17 +0100, "The Absent Minded Professor"
myfirstnames@surnameyearofbirthadotgoesherefreese rve.co.uk wrote: Old Ordnance Survey maps, and old bus maps (through the excellent Mike Harris website) are easy to get hold of, but can anyone suggest a bookshop that sells old London A-Zs? Amazon.co.uk sells used books. The oldest I found for sale was 1950, but I wasn't trying hard. |
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"Kevin Bean" wrote in message ... There are a couple on eBay at the moment, one originally priced at 3/6d. I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; they come up quite regularly so you should be able to get what you want there. Tony |
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"Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message
... I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005, John Rowland wrote:
"Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message ... I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. I'm intrigued. Why is it interesting why it was built? tom -- vote love |
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In article , John Rowland
writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. It's not in Bartholemew's 1940, so must be post war. -- Thoss |
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In message , John Rowland
writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? It is not shown in my 1948 Bartholomew Reference Atlas (which also shows the top end of adjacent Shaftesbury Avenue as still under construction. It still doesn't appear in the 1961 edition, although Shaftesbury Avenue is clearly completed by then. Southwell Road *does* appear in my 1988 Geographia - so some time between 1961 and 1988 look likely. Hope that helps - perhaps someone else can pin the date down more precisely. -- Paul Terry |
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In article , Paul Terry
writes In message , John Rowland writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? It is not shown in my 1948 Bartholomew Reference Atlas (which also shows the top end of adjacent Shaftesbury Avenue as still under construction. It still doesn't appear in the 1961 edition, although Shaftesbury Avenue is clearly completed by then. Southwell Road *does* appear in my 1988 Geographia - so some time between 1961 and 1988 look likely. Hope that helps - perhaps someone else can pin the date down more precisely. I can narrow the dates down a little: it's in the 1981 AA Greater London Street Atlas, but not in the Geographia Greater London Atlas 11th edition, which I have pencilled in as 1963. Why are street atlases so often undated but have NEW emblazoned across the covers? Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth, was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why. -- Thoss |
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thoss wrote:
Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth, was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why. The present Southwell Road SE5 runs parallel to and south-east of Coldharbour Lane, with five short streets linking them, one of which is Vaughan Road. See map at http://tinyurl.com/bhptu . Are you saying that before 1937 both the present Vaughan Road and the present Southwell Road were both called Vaughan Road? If so, the change was probably to avoid confusion. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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JRS: In article , dated Tue, 3
May 2005 00:35:49, seen in news:uk.transport.london, John Rowland posted : "Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message ... I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? In Bartholomew's Reference Atlas of Greater London, 11th Edn, 1961 : Southwell Road is indexed as existing in SE5 Lamb., Croydon, and E11 Leyton; Southwell Grove Road --- do. --- E11; Southwell Gdns --- do. --- SW7 Kens.; and no others. -- © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v4.00 MIME. © Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links. I find MiniTrue useful for viewing/searching/altering files, at a DOS prompt; free, DOS/Win/UNIX, URL:http://www.idiotsdelight.net/minitrue/ Update hope? |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 22:54:28 +0100, Dr John Stockton
wrote: JRS: In article , dated Tue, 3 May 2005 00:35:49, seen in news:uk.transport.london, John Rowland posted : "Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message ... I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? In Bartholomew's Reference Atlas of Greater London, 11th Edn, 1961 : Southwell Road is indexed as existing in SE5 Lamb., Croydon, and E11 Leyton; Southwell Grove Road --- do. --- E11; Southwell Gdns --- do. --- SW7 Kens.; and no others. My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Dr John Stockton typed
Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? HA3 is a rather odd area of Harrow:- Harrow Weald, parts of Kenton, Queensbury and Wealdstone. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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In article , Terry Harper
writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81. -- Thoss |
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In message , thoss
writes In article , Terry Harper writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81. Er, no. If Southwell Road appeared in an atlas dated 1971-2, I don't think it would have been constructed later than 1971. :) ITYM, we have narrowed down the dates to 1963 - 1971. -- Paul Terry |
Old A-Zs of London
In article , Paul Terry
writes In message , thoss writes In article , Terry Harper writes Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81. Er, no. If Southwell Road appeared in an atlas dated 1971-2, I don't think it would have been constructed later than 1971. :) ITYM, we have narrowed down the dates to 1963 - 1971. Oops. My mistake. -- Thoss |
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In article , Richard J.
writes thoss wrote: Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth, was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why. The present Southwell Road SE5 runs parallel to and south-east of Coldharbour Lane, with five short streets linking them, one of which is Vaughan Road. See map at http://tinyurl.com/bhptu . Are you saying that before 1937 both the present Vaughan Road and the present Southwell Road were both called Vaughan Road? If so, the change was probably to avoid confusion. I can't say anything about the details. My earliest atlas is the one mentioned above. The map shows Coldharbour Lane, Vaughan Road parallel to it and, as you say, several short streets linking them. Unfortunately these are not named. The atlas has a supplementary index listing street name changes 1937-39. There seem to be an awful lot of them - 12 pages worth. I wonder whether the Luftwaffe caused so many. -- Thoss |
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Terry Harper writes:
My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. I wonder if we have the same edition. Mine shows the road; its cover price is 30p or 6'-; there is no date, but the monochrome Underground diagram on the back cover has a note in tiny print, just above the key, about the *planned* opening of the Victoria Line extension to Brixton. (Namely: "Stockwell and Brixton opening second half 1971; Vauxhall and Pimlico 1972". As it turned out, Vauxhall actually opened along with Stockwell and Brixton stations in July 1971.) Of course this does not necessarily indicate the date of the street maps, and for that matter, the street maps in the volume are not necessarily all for the same date. -- Mark Brader, Toronto "He seems unable to win without the added thrill of changing sides." -- Chess My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
... On Tue, 3 May 2005, John Rowland wrote: "Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message ... I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay; Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA. I'm intrigued. Why is it interesting why it was built? Because it is several decades newer than every other road within a 3 mile radius, except for cul-de-sacs, industrial estate roads, bypasses, and roads built on the former Hendon Aerodrome. Unlike any of the other new roads, it turned two previously sleepy neighbourhoods into the shortest through route from Hatch End and Wealdstone to Central London, and the construction of such a road goes totally against everything that is considered good in transport planning - in fact, its strategic location as a cut-through means that it is exactly the sort of road which, had it been built at the same time as the neighbouring estates, would probably have been subsequently blocked, or at least width-restricted, but there is not even much on the way of speed bumps anywhere near it. Witness the fact that the northern end of Shaftesbury Avenue has a footbridge, not a road bridge, to Lidding Road - this is much more in keeping with conventional transport planning. I haven't checked the house numbers to see if houses in Woodhill Crescent and Shaftesbury Avenue had to be demolished to build it, but if they did, its construction is even more surprising. It's almost as if there was a couincillor living on Kenton Road and he wanted a shortcut to London. I believe there is only one house on Southwell Rd itself, and that house's absence on the OS 1:25000 map suggests that it might be only a few years old and was not connected with the road's construction. Anyway, thanks for all the replies - now that I have narrowed it down to 1963-1971, I might pursue the matter with the library, if I can be arsed. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
... Dr John Stockton typed Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? HA3 is a rather odd area of Harrow: It's the Chile of the postcode map, 8km long and about 1km wide. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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According to my 1905 map of the area, what is now Northland Street didn't
exist and Vaughn Street had a 90 degree bend in it at what is now the junction with Southwell Road. So there was no confusion, just one road! Don't know when this extra road was built. -- Regards, Max Batten Visit me at http://www.thebattens.ndonet.com --------- "thoss" wrote in message ... In article , Richard J. writes thoss wrote: Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth, was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why. The present Southwell Road SE5 runs parallel to and south-east of Coldharbour Lane, with five short streets linking them, one of which is Vaughan Road. See map at http://tinyurl.com/bhptu . Are you saying that before 1937 both the present Vaughan Road and the present Southwell Road were both called Vaughan Road? If so, the change was probably to avoid confusion. I can't say anything about the details. My earliest atlas is the one mentioned above. The map shows Coldharbour Lane, Vaughan Road parallel to it and, as you say, several short streets linking them. Unfortunately these are not named. The atlas has a supplementary index listing street name changes 1937-39. There seem to be an awful lot of them - 12 pages worth. I wonder whether the Luftwaffe caused so many. -- Thoss --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0518-2, 04/05/2005 Tested on: 04/05/2005 12:30:06 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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"John Rowland" typed
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 May 2005, John Rowland wrote: Anyway, thanks for all the replies - now that I have narrowed it down to 1963-1971, I might pursue the matter with the library, if I can be arsed. If I get the tuits, I'll have a look at my old maps... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"John Rowland" typed
"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... Dr John Stockton typed Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? HA3 is a rather odd area of Harrow: It's the Chile of the postcode map, 8km long and about 1km wide. Yup! Had to laugh at 'market researcher' interviewing customers at Safeway (now Morrison's) in Queensbury, asking people about their residential postcodes. The store is *just* in NW9, but within a furlong of HA8, HA7 & HA3. All these postcodes extend for miles radially... HA3 has no identity as an area, unlike HA7 (Stanmore) and HA8 (Edgware). Edgware is in three London Boroughs... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
If I get the tuits, There's a world shortage, something to do with the Chinese buying them all up, same as they've bought up most of the world's supply of steel. |
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In message , John Rowland
writes Because it is several decades newer than every other road within a 3 mile radius, except for cul-de-sacs, industrial estate roads, bypasses, and roads built on the former Hendon Aerodrome. Unlike any of the other new roads, it turned two previously sleepy neighbourhoods into the shortest through route from Hatch End and Wealdstone to Central London, and the construction of such a road goes totally against everything that is considered good in transport planning - in fact, its strategic location as a cut-through means that it is exactly the sort of road which, had it been built at the same time as the neighbouring estates, would probably have been subsequently blocked, or at least width-restricted, but there is not even much on the way of speed bumps anywhere near it. Could it have been built to improve emergency-vehicle access? -- Paul Terry |
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In article , Helen Deborah
Vecht writes "John Rowland" typed "Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... Dr John Stockton typed Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney? HA3 is a rather odd area of Harrow: It's the Chile of the postcode map, 8km long and about 1km wide. Yup! Had to laugh at 'market researcher' interviewing customers at Safeway (now Morrison's) in Queensbury, asking people about their residential postcodes. The store is *just* in NW9, but within a furlong of HA8, HA7 & HA3. All these postcodes extend for miles radially... HA3 has no identity as an area, unlike HA7 (Stanmore) and HA8 (Edgware). Edgware is in three London Boroughs... Another mystery brought up by this thread: A friend lives in Uphill Drive, NW9, just off Kingsbury Road and not a million yards from Southwell Road. Uphill Drive was built in the thirties, but it didn't make it into the A-Z until the eighties. WhY? -- Thoss |
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In message , thoss
writes Another mystery brought up by this thread: A friend lives in Uphill Drive, NW9, just off Kingsbury Road and not a million yards from Southwell Road. Uphill Drive was built in the thirties, but it didn't make it into the A-Z until the eighties. WhY? It is clearly shown on my 1948 edition of the A-Z. (Page 27, Square 3D). -- Paul Terry |
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In article , Paul Terry
writes In message , thoss writes Another mystery brought up by this thread: A friend lives in Uphill Drive, NW9, just off Kingsbury Road and not a million yards from Southwell Road. Uphill Drive was built in the thirties, but it didn't make it into the A-Z until the eighties. WhY? It is clearly shown on my 1948 edition of the A-Z. (Page 27, Square 3D). It's not in my 1940 Bartholomew's Reference Atlas, but I find that it is in my Geographia atlas, c 1950. Maybe only some publishers missed it out. Certainly my friend used to find it impossible to get taxis along because the drivers assured him that his address did not exist. They of course know better than the chap who lives there. -- Thoss |
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 16:15:34 +0100, thoss wrote:
Another mystery brought up by this thread: A friend lives in Uphill Drive, NW9, just off Kingsbury Road and not a million yards from Southwell Road. Uphill Drive was built in the thirties, but it didn't make it into the A-Z until the eighties. WhY? It's in my A-Z of c.1971. 2F on Page 25. I had to get the magnifying glass out to find it, though:-) -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Terry Harper and I (Mark Brader) wrote:
My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell Road, Harrow. I wonder if we have the same edition. ... The front cover is the same, but the LT Map doesn't have that note. On page 77 it shows "Open 1971" where the Victoria line goes under the river. Looks like mine is the one after yours. More likely the one before, then. So Terry's provides the earlier cutoff date for the opening of the road. -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "Operating systems are too important | to be 'visionary'." --Linus Torvalds |
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Although not A-Z, the MOTO web sight has some interesting maps of London
circa 1746 and onwards to view or buy. May take a long while to get to the map pages if you are dial up. http://www.motco.com/default-Markou.asp Roger (my reader sometimes loses mail/newsgroup messages - if you think you should have had a reply/comment, please e-mail me again. Ta!) |
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