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there would be if they hung fairy lights up

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what is RTTC?

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lonelytraveller typed:
there would be if they hung fairy lights up

There would be what? For goodness sake, please quote enough of the text
to which you are replying so as to make your post meaningful to others.
You claimed earlier that Google groups would not allow you to do that,
but other users seem to manage. It's not that difficult just to copy
and paste the relevant paragraph. You should not assume that others
will read the post you are replying to immediately before yours.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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lonelytraveller typed:
what is RTTC?

The book "Rails Through The Clay", already mentioned in this thread.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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On 9 May 2005 00:44:47 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

None of the northern line ones mention that the old interchange
concourse at euston is still there below the modern one, but it is
nethertheless - the books don't tell you everything, only the stuff
thats obvious and everyone else knows

You know, I've tried to think of a suitable response to your latest
example of bull**** statement - especially your final "**** you" to
all the writers doing original research, who are definitely _not_ (as
you suggest) reguritating all their predecessors - but really I can't
be bothered any more.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

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JRS: In article ,
dated Mon, 9 May 2005 21:16:33, seen in news:uk.transport.london,
Richard J. posted :
lonelytraveller typed:
there would be if they hung fairy lights up

There would be what? For goodness sake, please quote enough of the text
to which you are replying so as to make your post meaningful to others.
You claimed earlier that Google groups would not allow you to do that,
but other users seem to manage. It's not that difficult just to copy
and paste the relevant paragraph. You should not assume that others
will read the post you are replying to immediately before yours.

Keith Thompson wrote in comp.lang.c, message ID
:-
If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
the "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on "show options"
at the top of the article, then click on the "Reply" at the bottom of
the article headers.

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Please excuse and forgive me if this is VERY old hat but I have been away
from the Newsgroup for a long time.

As I understand it a certain length of additional tunneling was done on the
central line way back with a view to having extra tracks. This work was
abandoned and I know one section was taken over by what was then the GPO
(BT) as an underground exchange. This is mentioned in one ofJames Herberts
books (Domain or Lair). At the time I worked for BT and asked my boss about
this and he confirmed the details mentioned in the book. He also said that
at the time when it was being used London Underground even used to make them
buy platform tickets when they needed access via the station!

Steve


"Kat" wrote in message
...
lonelytraveller wrote:
I had read that there were some shelters built under some of the
central tube stations, but that the planned one at St. Pauls was never
actually built.

Now, I was passing through St. Pauls this morning on an eastbound
train, and happened to stand at the back (west), which is unusual for
me, and when we got to St. Pauls, I noticed that there seemed to be a
series of several black doors at the west end of the platform. I would
guess this is pretty close to where the old post office building was,
near the bombed church, and there seems to be a wierd blockhouse in a
similar position in the middle of the road on the surface.

Did they build it after all, as it would have been good for the Post
office, but keep it secret, or are these doors something completely
unconnected?

According to our duty manager, who used to work on that group, the doors
do lead to what was going to be a shelter. He said that while the
excavating was taking place local people complained about the noise and
got the work stopped by finding some ancient law forbidding any tunnelling
under St Paul's Cathedral. The excavated area is now a ventilation shaft
and the block house thing you describe is the top of it.
That was what I was told.....
--
Kat

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I think other users subscribe via the medium of e-mail and so can quote
the text. I reply via google, so don't get the option.

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I suppose that could have been the cavern then.

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lonelytraveller typed:
I think other users subscribe via the medium of e-mail and so can
quote the text. I reply via google, so don't get the option.

You are mistaken. If you don't know how to drive Google Groups, you
could at least have the courtesy to copy and paste.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article , WHUK writes
Please excuse and forgive me if this is VERY old hat but I have been away
from the Newsgroup for a long time.

As I understand it a certain length of additional tunneling was done on the
central line way back with a view to having extra tracks. This work was
abandoned and I know one section was taken over by what was then the GPO
(BT) as an underground exchange.

That's the Chancery Lane Deep Shelter.

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In article ,
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In article , WHUK writes
Please excuse and forgive me if this is VERY old hat but I have been away
from the Newsgroup for a long time.

As I understand it a certain length of additional tunneling was done on the
central line way back with a view to having extra tracks. This work was
abandoned and I know one section was taken over by what was then the GPO
(BT) as an underground exchange.

That's the Chancery Lane Deep Shelter.

Known as 'Kingsway'. Entered, in the best spy tradition, from a bland
office frontage on High Holborn.

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ical weapons and is working towards a nuclear capability. The dossier contains
confirmation of information that we either knew or most certainly should have
been willing to assume." - Menzies Campbell, 24th September 2002.

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On 10 May 2005 12:09:59 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

I suppose that could have been the cavern then.

Apart from the fact that it's the Chancery Lane deep level shelter,
four stations away from your fantasy cavern. It's laughable that you
are prepared to believe any old wive's tale you're told, while
whinging that, "the books don't tell you everything, only the stuff
thats [sic] obvious and everyone else knows" when it's perfectly clear
that you haven't even read many of the books in the first place.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

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lonelytraveller wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 10 May 2005:

I think other users subscribe via the medium of e-mail and so can quote
the text. I reply via google, so don't get the option.

As several people have already told you, it *is* possible via Google -
other people use Google and manage, so please read the instructions on
the Google page, and comply with them!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

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JRS: In article .com
, dated Tue, 10 May 2005 12:08:26, seen in news:uk.transport.london,
lonelytraveller posted :

I think other users subscribe via the medium of e-mail and so can quote
the text.

You think incorrectly.

I reply via google, so don't get the option.

A bad workman blames his tools.

A good workman chooses suitable tools and finds out how to use them.

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A good workman blames the tools if they are defective.

It is only a fool who thinks tools are 100% perfect

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its perfectly clear that you have high blood pressure

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lonelytraveller wrote:
A good workman blames the tools if they are defective.

It is only a fool who thinks tools are 100% perfect

The tools might not be perfect but Google Groups allows you to quote in
followups like I'm doing here.

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In message .com,
lonelytraveller writes
its perfectly clear that you have high blood pressure

No need for high blood pressure.

There are all sorts of conventions in News (or "Usenet") postings, so
correct or at least widely observed ands some not.

But quoting text (just a reasonable amount, to give context, isn't so
much a convention or a rule as much as a way of increasing understanding
of meaning. Therefore, to make your points, it's in your interests to
do this.

Some people post via news software (not via e-mail although they can
look similar in some ways). You choose to post via Google Groups which
is arguably more cumbersome although perhaps you find it more convenient
for your needs. You can, as has been pointed out, reconfigure this to
quote and then trim that accordingly. If you don't want to do that or
are unable, then you can cut and past from the original, or at least put
headings in square brackets or symbols to give meaning or sense to
your replies.

This isn't a nag, just a bit of advice from people who use Newsgroups a
lot to help you get your meaning across.

Hope this helps.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On 11 May 2005 11:50:50 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

its perfectly clear that you have high blood pressure

Which just goes to prove that your medical judgements are about as
valid as your ones about the Underground.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

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I'm a qualified doctor.

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lonelytraveller wrote:
I'm a qualified doctor.

Who can't work out how to properly quote using Google Groups? Well,
**** me, but I've just managed it, which I guess - yet again - makes me
much smarter that you.

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If you had worked out how to use google groups properly, you would
understand why they decided NOT to include the original in the reply by
default.

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In message .com,
lonelytraveller writes
If you had worked out how to use google groups properly, you would
understand why they decided NOT to include the original in the reply by
default.
But as has already been pointed out to you more than once, you can
reconfigure it to do so.

Alternatively, as I tried to point out in my other posting, you can use
other methods of showing context.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On 12 May 2005 13:03:34 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

If you had worked out how to use google groups properly, you would
understand why they decided NOT to include the original in the reply by
default.

If you're as smart as you think you are, you know that Google doesn't
set the accepted standard of manners for Usenet. You'd also know that
Google's arbitrary change is a recent meausre, and that previously it
did adhere to accepted standards.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

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If you were as smart as you think, you would know that you don't set
the accepted standard of manners, so **** off.

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lonelytraveller wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 13 May 2005:

If you were as smart as you think, you would know that you don't set
the accepted standard of manners, so **** off.

"Everybody's out of step except my Johnnie", is that it? Usenet
convention has been worked out over the past ten years, so why does a
newbie like you know better?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

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"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
Midway between BG and Liverpool Street, although it's acquired the
former name, presumably because it was either closer to that station,
or to differentiate it from the tunnels already in use as shelters at
Liverpool Street.

Do you have any further info on this? I know about the Bishopsgate shaft,
the "mysterious" floodgates at Bishopsgate, and the complex of tunnels at
Hollybush Gardens, just west of Bethnal Green, but I've never heard of
anything else on this section.

There was (and is) an intermediate shaft at Carlton Square, mid-way between
Bethnal Green and Mile End, that was associated with a war-time shelter.


'London's Secret Tubes' (Emmerson & Beard, 2004) attributes it to
flooding and quotes extensively from official reports at the time
detailing the problems encountered, and the measures that would need
to be taken to complete the shelter as planned. The only mention of
labour is in the context of the manpower being diverted to Camden
Town, where completion was of a higher priority.

I believe the brick building on the corner of Kennington Park Road/Brixton
Road/Camberwell New Road is a relic of the aborted Oval shelter.

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Annabel Smyth:
Usenet convention has been worked out over the past ten years...

Getting on for 25 years now, actually. These bloody newbies, think
they know everything... :-)
--
Mark Brader, "It is impossible. Solution follows..."
Toronto, -- Richard Heathfield

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JRS: In article , dated Fri, 13 May
2005 08:08:28, seen in news:uk.transport.london, Nick Cooper
posted :
On 12 May 2005 13:03:34 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

If you had worked out how to use google groups properly, you would
understand why they decided NOT to include the original in the reply by
default.

If you're as smart as you think you are, you know that Google doesn't
set the accepted standard of manners for Usenet. You'd also know that
Google's arbitrary change is a recent meausre, and that previously it
did adhere to accepted standards.


Be fair to Google - they are, as far as News is concerned, catering to
the moron market; and meaningless no-quote articles can be ignored more
efficiently than meaningless full top-quote ones, so their decision may
on the whole be an advantage to us.

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"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message ups.com...
If you were as smart as you think, you would know that you don't set
the accepted standard of manners, so **** off.


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. It is a newsgroup
convention to quote at least some of the preceding conversation: perhaps you
should consider doing this, if you want to be understood.
with respect
vellov

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In article . com,
lonelytraveller wrote:
If you were as smart as you think, you would know that you don't set
the accepted standard of manners, so **** off.

If you're going to be rude to my friends, I can't be arsed to go and
find some pictures of the Paris caverns which I *had* thought might
interest you.

Nick
--
http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself

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On 12 May 2005, lonelytraveller wrote:

If you had worked out how to use google groups properly, you would
understand why they decided NOT to include the original in the reply by
default.

What you have to remember is that the vast majority of people reading this
newsgroup are not using google groups. For us, your messages are pretty
much incomprehensible - everything you say is a non-sequitur! The reason
people are trying to convince you to quote is that we want to be able to
understand what you're writing, which at present, we can't; your choice
isn't about following some arbitrary set of rules, it's about making
yourself understood.

tom

--
Gotta treat 'em mean to make 'em scream.

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Nick Leverton wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 14 May 2005:

In article . com,
lonelytraveller wrote:
If you were as smart as you think, you would know that you don't set
the accepted standard of manners, so **** off.

If you're going to be rude to my friends, I can't be arsed to go and
find some pictures of the Paris caverns which I *had* thought might
interest you.

You might find them for me, though, Nick, pretty please with sugar on?
--
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http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

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Times change.
If you don't keep up, you will be left behind.

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being understood "with respect" is secondary to the primary function of
being understood.
Respect is not required for the communication of information.
It is the idiot who disregards a truth because their enemy has said it.

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Being understood "with respect" is secondary to being understood.
It is only the idiot who disregards a truth because an enemy has said
it.

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"Gotta treat 'em mean to make 'em scream. "

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Hmmm, google has posted this twice

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People in the real world are friends.
These are just people you write e-mails to.