Thameslink
 

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if I
do?
--
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http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

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Mrs Redboots wrote:
Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St
Pancras
station won't be open yet,



Correct. However, the box will be there, so you might see that. Aside
from that, there's probably nothing that can't be seen from the Eastern
Interim station or surrounding area.

PhilD

--

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In message , Mrs Redboots
writes

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet,

It won't even have been started yet (apart from the actual station box)
- last I heard was that there was still no finance to build an actual
station.

--
Paul Terry

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On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:35:07 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if I
do?

Much more interesting to do the trip before the 16th via St Pancras;
that you can get views of various bits of the CTRL station works (even
more if you take a walk around the edges of the building sites). From
Thameslink the most you are likely to see is a pair of uncompleted
platforms and the opening into the new tunnel, both probably lit only
by the light from the train windows.
--
Peter Lawrence

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Peter Lawrence wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 6 May 2005:

On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:35:07 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if I
do?

Much more interesting to do the trip before the 16th via St Pancras;
that you can get views of various bits of the CTRL station works (even
more if you take a walk around the edges of the building sites). From
Thameslink the most you are likely to see is a pair of uncompleted
platforms and the opening into the new tunnel, both probably lit only
by the light from the train windows.

Thanks! In other words, probably not worth it - I might as well use the
Northern Line!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

Thameslink
 

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St
Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway
for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my
trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if
I
do?
Don't they need to demolish the current thameslink station so that they
can build one of the passageways for the northern ticket hall (phase 2)
for the tube station?

Thameslink
 

In message . com, at
05:43:48 on Sat, 7 May 2005, lonelytraveller
remarked:
Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St
Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway
for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my
trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if
I
do?
Don't they need to demolish the current thameslink station so that they
can build one of the passageways for the northern ticket hall (phase 2)
for the tube station?

I should think that's very unlikely as the current Thameslink station is
well to the east of all the others in the complex.

--
Roland Perry

Thameslink
 

I know, but on the big 3d picture of the construction thats on some of
the hoardings at street level, there is a tunnel between the northern
line/northern ticket hall, and the picadilly line, that joins up to the
one that currently goes from thameslink to the picadilly and the
victoria line. It would have to destroy the thameslink entrance/exit
stairs/escalators to do that, so you couldn't get from the thameslink
platforms to the thameslink station.

Thameslink
 

In them message ...
"Mrs Redboots" wrote:
Peter Lawrence wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 6 May 2005:

On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:35:07 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Had a letter today from the Thameslink people telling me they were
reopening the line through London on 16 May.

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if I
do?

Much more interesting to do the trip before the 16th via St Pancras;
that you can get views of various bits of the CTRL station works (even
more if you take a walk around the edges of the building sites). From
Thameslink the most you are likely to see is a pair of uncompleted
platforms and the opening into the new tunnel, both probably lit only
by the light from the train windows.

Thanks! In other words, probably not worth it - I might as well use the
Northern Line!

But if you use your imagination on your ride through the Thameslink tunnel,
you can visualise the now-culverted Fleet river flowing over it nearby
(there's a picture of what it once looked like on the railings outside Old
St-Pancras Church nearby) and/or the adjacent ancient graveyard through
which the tunnel was driven...

For more such impressions, see the recently-published paperback edition of
Stephen Smith's Underground London (Abacus) - but anoraks beware, as he says
himself, it's not guaranteed to be absolutely factual.

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

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In article .com,
lonelytraveller writes
I know, but on the big 3d picture of the construction thats on some of
the hoardings at street level, there is a tunnel between the northern
line/northern ticket hall, and the picadilly line, that joins up to the
one that currently goes from thameslink to the picadilly and the
victoria line.

Correct.

It would have to destroy the thameslink entrance/exit
stairs/escalators to do that, so you couldn't get from the thameslink
platforms to the thameslink station.

Completely wrong.

In diagrammatic form, heavily distorted:

HHHHH H = new Northern Ticket Hall
HHHHH
:
:
: : = proposed new passageway
:
PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP P = Piccadilly Line platforms
: #
: #
: # # = existing passageway
::###
#
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV V = Victoria Line platforms
#
A--#--A
#
# EEEE E = Thameslink entrance
# EEEE
#### #
# #
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT T = Thameslink platforms

The diagrams on the hoardings at King's Cross only show the tunnels
above the line A--A.

As you can see, the Thameslink station is unaffected.

In geographic terms, the Piccadilly platforms are under King's Cross
station, the Thameslink ones are south of the Pentonville Road (which
the Northern Line runs under), and the Victoria Line ones are under the
block of buildings with McDonalds at the southwest corner and (IIRC)
Tesco Metro at the northeast.

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PhilD wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St
Pancras station won't be open yet,

Correct. However, the box will be there, so you might see that.
Aside from that, there's probably nothing that can't be seen from the
Eastern Interim station or surrounding area.

See here for a good view:

http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/newdisplay.asp?ID=5368

Shame they can't find the £70 million.

Angus

Thameslink
 

In message , Angus Bryant
writes

See here for a good view:

http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/newdisplay.asp?ID=5368

Shame they can't find the £70 million.

Even more staggering is the cost. How can fitting out the platforms and
providing escalators possibly come to £70 million?

--
Paul Terry

Thameslink
 

In article ,
(Paul Terry) wrote:

In message , Angus Bryant
writes

See here for a good view:

http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/newdisplay.asp?ID=5368

Shame they can't find the £70 million.

Even more staggering is the cost. How can fitting out the platforms and
providing escalators possibly come to £70 million?

It's mostly to pay highly-qualified and highly-paid people from all the
different bits of the privatised railway to talk to each other. :-(

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Thameslink
 

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Angus Bryant
writes

See here for a good view:

http://www.ctrl.co.uk/photos/newdisplay.asp?ID=5368

Shame they can't find the £70 million.

Even more staggering is the cost. How can fitting out the platforms
and
providing escalators possibly come to £70 million?

Don't forget that they have to provide dogs and small children as
well... gd&r

Thameslink
 

Curious; I had always remembered that you had to turn left (i.e. south)
from the northbound thameslink platform to get to the tunnel.

If the northern line runs under pentonville road, why/how do the
platforms have ex-lift shafts between them that you can see glimpses of
natural light, and air from? These can't surely be under the road -
there aren't any obvious large round holes in the road leading to the
platforms.

Thameslink
 

In article . com,
lonelytraveller writes
Curious; I had always remembered that you had to turn left (i.e. south)
from the northbound thameslink platform to get to the tunnel.

Down stairs, turn right, turn left into tunnel, tunnel verges right.

Result: you're heading north-northwest.

If the northern line runs under pentonville road, why/how do the
platforms have ex-lift shafts between them that you can see glimpses of
natural light, and air from? These can't surely be under the road -
there aren't any obvious large round holes in the road leading to the
platforms.

The *line* runs under Pentonville Road. The platforms are *west* of the
junction with York Road.

The five sets of platforms at KXSP/KXTL radiate out from a point:
Circle, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria, Thameslink as you go clockwise.

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"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message ups.com...
If the northern line runs under pentonville road, why/how do the
platforms have ex-lift shafts between them that you can see glimpses of
natural light, and air from? These can't surely be under the road -
there aren't any obvious large round holes in the road leading to the
platforms.

As Clive has said, the line follow Pentonville Road to east of King's Cross.
It then runs beneath part of King's Cross main-line station, with the
Northern Line platforms being beneath the construction site which currently
lies on the corner of Euston Road and Pancras Road. The big blue structure
in the middle of this site is above one of the former lift shafts.

Thameslink
 

Is it still blue? I thought that was just a temporary weather
protection coating thing.

Thameslink
 

If thameslink platforms radiate from the same point as the other 4
pairs, why did they choose to make the connection a ridiculously long
foot tunnel, rather than exiting onto the point?

Thameslink
 

On 16 May 2005 16:38:34 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

If thameslink platforms radiate from the same point as the other 4
pairs, why did they choose to make the connection a ridiculously long
foot tunnel, rather than exiting onto the point?

And then what? You jump down a big vertical shaft to reach the tube
platforms?

Thameslink
 

In article .com,
lonelytraveller writes
If thameslink platforms radiate from the same point as the other 4
pairs,

I oversimplified (always dangerous when dealing with simple people). The
line radiates out from roughly the same point, but the station - as is
obvious to anyone who's been there - is further east.

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On Tue, 17 May 2005, asdf wrote:

On 16 May 2005 16:38:34 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

If thameslink platforms radiate from the same point as the other 4
pairs, why did they choose to make the connection a ridiculously long
foot tunnel, rather than exiting onto the point?

And then what? You jump down a big vertical shaft to reach the tube
platforms?

SWEEEEEEET!!!!!!!111111

tom

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When you mentioned INSERT-MIND-INPUT ... did they look at you like this?

Thameslink
 

Or a lift.

Thameslink
 

It seems that way, but then if you start at the waterloo & city line,
walk all the way to monument via the northern line/dlr, then take the
tube to cannon street, you are about 100yrds from where you started, so
I wasn't going to rely on the subterranean impression of distance.

Thameslink
 

In article .com,
lonelytraveller writes
I wasn't going to rely on the subterranean impression of distance.

Try doing it on the surface. It's obvious.

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On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:35:07 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Will there be anything different to see? I take it the new St Pancras
station won't be open yet, but I want to go to Kentish Town anyway for
another reason, and am wondering if it will be worth postponing my trip
until 16 May, and whether there will be anything different to see if I
do?

PS

What you actually see is a lot of dimly lit concrete pillars (or are
they pilasters?) and dark openings giving the impression of a cave
system - complete with stalactites at one point! Not IMO worth a
special journey.
--
Peter Lawrence

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lonelytraveller wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 17 May 2005:

Or a lift.

Or a lift what? Please, if you aren't going to quote, and it looks as
though you aren't, could you give us _some_ idea of what you are talking
about by putting your reply into some kind of context.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 3 April 2005

Thameslink
 

That was message 20. If you use google groups, and look at messages 19
and 18, it will make perfect sense

Thameslink
 

Neither platform is on the surface, and I am unable to fly over the
various obstructions, and nor do I have X ray eyes to see where beneath
my feet each platform begins/ends, so I don't see how that is possible.

Thameslink
 

lonelytraveller wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 19 May 2005:

That was message 20. If you use google groups, and look at messages 19
and 18, it will make perfect sense

Why on earth should I use Google groups when I have a perfectly good
off-line newsreader?
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"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message oups.com...
That was message 20. If you use google groups, and look at messages 19
and 18, it will make perfect sense


And how many of us do you think go near Google Groups ?

--
Richard

Thameslink
 

On 19 May 2005 11:44:34 -0700, "lonelytraveller"
wrote:

Neither platform is on the surface, and I am unable to fly over the
various obstructions, and nor do I have X ray eyes to see where beneath
my feet each platform begins/ends, so I don't see how that is possible.

Have you ever even been there? Try walking between KX Thameslink and
KXStP Circle Line over the surface - like Mr Feather says, it's
obvious if you actually do it.

Thameslink
 

In message .com,
lonelytraveller writes
Neither platform is on the surface, and I am unable to fly over the
various obstructions, and nor do I have X ray eyes to see where beneath
my feet each platform begins/ends, so I don't see how that is possible.


There you go again, no hint of what you are talking about. Newsgroups
are transmitted asynchronously, there is no central repository of
messages, it is possible (and even likely) that many readers will see a
response to a message before seeing the original.

So please quote enough of the message you are responding to that people
know what you are talking about.

--
Eric Junkermann

Thameslink
 

In article .com,
lonelytraveller writes
Neither platform is on the surface, and I am unable to fly over the
various obstructions, and nor do I have X ray eyes to see where beneath
my feet each platform begins/ends, so I don't see how that is possible.

I have no idea what you are talking about. All the platforms at West
Hampstead are on the surface.

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lonelytraveller wrote:
That was message 20. If you use google groups

I don't. I don't need to, so long as ****wits like you aren't being stubborn.