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New DLR suburban possibilities
A South London newspaper is reporting that Catford has made it onto a
shortlist of about 10 suburban areas which are being considered by DLR for extensions; apparently, about 3 or 4 of these will then be taken forward for appraisal work. http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk...siteid=501 00 Does anyone have any more information on these possibilities? Catford doesn't seem like an obvious destination as it parallels an existing railway, although it could be useful for interchange to/from services to Bromley. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
New DLR suburban possibilities
On Fri, 13 May 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:
Does anyone have any more information on these possibilities? Not me. Although i did find this very nice map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/DLRmap.pdf Which has all sorts of intriguing stuff on it. The Arc of Opportunity! Some kind of future station on the way to Dagenham Dock (on the LTS line, rather than the CTRL, i assume). Crossrail going via North Greenwich or something. Catford doesn't seem like an obvious destination as it parallels an existing railway, although it could be useful for interchange to/from services to Bromley. Nick O'Donnell is quoted as saying: "They all got a value for money scoring at the end, and Catford scores quite favourably." Maybe it's not that it's an outrageously useful station, but it is a cheap one. They're not planning to assimilate the railway line between Lewisham and Catford, are they? I guess not, since that would mean either cutting off the Mid Kent line to Hayes or building a connection from it to the Catford loop, to allow trains to get anywhere, and that would be extremely expensive. tom -- Gotta treat 'em mean to make 'em scream. |
New DLR suburban possibilities
Tom Anderson wrote: [...] DLR extension to Catford They're not planning to assimilate the railway line between Lewisham and Catford, are they? I guess not, since that would mean either cutting off the Mid Kent line to Hayes or building a connection from it to the Catford loop, to allow trains to get anywhere, and that would be extremely expensive. I rode the train from Lewisham to Elmer's End back in Sept 2001. I recall the right-of-way being rather wide, like 3 or 4 tracks, but my memory is fuzzy... |
New DLR suburban possibilities
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005, Dave Arquati wrote: Does anyone have any more information on these possibilities? Not me. Although i did find this very nice map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/DLRmap.pdf Which has all sorts of intriguing stuff on it. The Arc of Opportunity! Some kind of future station on the way to Dagenham Dock (on the LTS line, rather than the CTRL, i assume). Crossrail going via North Greenwich or something. Unfortunately that map's a couple of years out of date now. It's interesting, though. The stations on the LTS line have been floating around for a little while, and are generally dependent on government funding for the development proposals in the area. http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/86 (not much extra info available though!) Catford doesn't seem like an obvious destination as it parallels an existing railway, although it could be useful for interchange to/from services to Bromley. Nick O'Donnell is quoted as saying: "They all got a value for money scoring at the end, and Catford scores quite favourably." Maybe it's not that it's an outrageously useful station, but it is a cheap one. Possibly... but if that's the case, and if they've included the effect on current operations to Lewisham, then it's probably a Good Thing. They're not planning to assimilate the railway line between Lewisham and Catford, are they? I guess not, since that would mean either cutting off the Mid Kent line to Hayes or building a connection from it to the Catford loop, to allow trains to get anywhere, and that would be extremely expensive. I doubt they'd assimilate the existing line. I imagine construction along that corridor is relatively easy, as it could follow the River Ravensbourne (just like the existing line between Greenwich and Lewisham). You could whack in some stations at Lewisham High St, Lewisham Hospital, and the greyhound stadium (I think redevelopment/reuse is expected there), with a nifty little interchange at Catford / Catford Bridge for Bromley/Orpington and the Hayes line (which AFAIR alternates between calling at and bypassing Lewisham, so a "definite" interchange might be another Good Thing). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
New DLR suburban possibilities
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New DLR suburban possibilities
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I rode the train from Lewisham to Elmer's End back in Sept 2001. I recall the right-of-way being rather wide, like 3 or 4 tracks, but my memory is fuzzy... I don't think that is the case - the Mid Kent line was built with two tracks and has never been any more than two tracks, nor was land taken for more than that. I wonder if perhaps you might be thinking of the line from Lewisham to Grove Park, which is wider (being the main line) and might well have the possibility of accommodating a DLR extension (going on to take over the line to Bromley North). This was mooted when the Lewisham extension was first discussed in the late 1980s. |
New DLR suburban possibilities
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 13 May 2005, Dave Arquati wrote: Does anyone have any more information on these possibilities? Not me. Although i did find this very nice map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/DLRmap.pdf Which has all sorts of intriguing stuff on it. The Arc of Opportunity! Some kind of future station on the way to Dagenham Dock (on the LTS line, rather than the CTRL, i assume). Crossrail going via North Greenwich or something. Unfortunately that map's a couple of years out of date now. It's interesting, though. The stations on the LTS line have been floating around for a little while, and are generally dependent on government funding for the development proposals in the area. http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/86 (not much extra info available though!) Catford doesn't seem like an obvious destination as it parallels an existing railway, although it could be useful for interchange to/from services to Bromley. Nick O'Donnell is quoted as saying: "They all got a value for money scoring at the end, and Catford scores quite favourably." Maybe it's not that it's an outrageously useful station, but it is a cheap one. Possibly... but if that's the case, and if they've included the effect on current operations to Lewisham, then it's probably a Good Thing. They're not planning to assimilate the railway line between Lewisham and Catford, are they? I guess not, since that would mean either cutting off the Mid Kent line to Hayes or building a connection from it to the Catford loop, to allow trains to get anywhere, and that would be extremely expensive. I doubt they'd assimilate the existing line. I imagine construction along that corridor is relatively easy, as it could follow the River Ravensbourne (just like the existing line between Greenwich and Lewisham). You could whack in some stations at Lewisham High St, Lewisham Hospital, and the greyhound stadium (I think redevelopment/reuse is expected there), with a nifty little interchange at Catford / Catford Bridge for Bromley/Orpington and the Hayes line (which AFAIR alternates between calling at and bypassing Lewisham, so a "definite" interchange might be another Good Thing). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London I agree. DLR extension(s) south of Lewisham would relieve overcrowding at Lewisham, which is a rail bottleneck. There must be a big potential demand from wharf workers living in the southeast. A Catford Bridge extension would allow all Hayes trains to bypass Lewisham. A Bromley North extension would allow all Dartford loop line trains (via Sidcup) to bypass Lewisham, and also provide a way to reach the wharf from the main Orpington and Sevenoaks line. |
New DLR suburban possibilities
On Sat, 14 May 2005, David Fairthorne wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 13 May 2005, Dave Arquati wrote: Catford doesn't seem like an obvious destination as it parallels an existing railway, although it could be useful for interchange to/from services to Bromley. They're not planning to assimilate the railway line between Lewisham and Catford, are they? I doubt they'd assimilate the existing line. I imagine construction along that corridor is relatively easy, as it could follow the River Ravensbourne (just like the existing line between Greenwich and Lewisham). You could whack in some stations at Lewisham High St, Lewisham Hospital, and the greyhound stadium (I think redevelopment/reuse is expected there), with a nifty little interchange at Catford / Catford Bridge for Bromley/Orpington and the Hayes line (which AFAIR alternates between calling at and bypassing Lewisham, so a "definite" interchange might be another Good Thing). I agree. DLR extension(s) south of Lewisham would relieve overcrowding at Lewisham, which is a rail bottleneck. You say 'bottleneck', i say 'hub' :). Surely the solution is to increase capacity at Lewisham, rather than making it harder for people to get there? There must be a big potential demand from wharf workers living in the southeast. It would have to be a very big demand to make cutting out Lewisham worthwhile. tom -- We'll never win by being like them. Our best tactic is to be better. Better necessarily means different. -- Jon Rentzsch |
New DLR suburban possibilities
Tom Anderson wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 15 May 2005:
On Sat, 14 May 2005, David Fairthorne wrote: I agree. DLR extension(s) south of Lewisham would relieve overcrowding at Lewisham, which is a rail bottleneck. You say 'bottleneck', i say 'hub' :). Surely the solution is to increase capacity at Lewisham, rather than making it harder for people to get there? How would extending the DLR south of Lewisham prevent people from getting off/interchanging there in the first place? There must be a big potential demand from wharf workers living in the southeast. It would have to be a very big demand to make cutting out Lewisham worthwhile. Do feel free to point out how the original poster suggested cutting out Lewisham? -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 3 April 2005 |
New DLR suburban possibilities
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 13 May 2005, Dave Arquati wrote: Does anyone have any more information on these possibilities? Not me. Although i did find this very nice map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/DLRmap.pdf Which has all sorts of intriguing stuff on it. The Arc of Opportunity! Some kind of future station on the way to Dagenham Dock (on the LTS line, rather than the CTRL, i assume). Crossrail going via North Greenwich or something. Unfortunately that map's a couple of years out of date now. It's interesting, though. The stations on the LTS line have been floating around for a little while, and are generally dependent on government funding for the development proposals in the area. http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/86 (not much extra info available though!) That map isn't that out of date though - it just covers pretty much all the confirmed routes that they're going to be extending the DLR onto first before they go back to the drawing board and think of where next to go to. The Dagenhem Dock/Barking Reach extension is still going ahead - the route has now been 'safefguarded' and they're started doing some preliminary groundwork in the area to see what the grounds like for building. http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extens...ails.asp?id=17 |
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