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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... Odd indeed. snip Really, they need a visual code in which these properties are shown by orthogonal, composable features: if interchangeness was just blackness, that would work. It would look horrible, though. Also, they show normal stations on tube and rail lines differently, which is bad. tom A thorough analysis! The link below takes you to a now well out-of-date site on the lack of consistancy on the Tube map, of which most of the issues have now been addressesed. It does show that 'great minds' have visited the issue of rail map (or more accurately diagram) consistancy beforehand. However I think it's OK that stations on the Tube are shown differently to railway stations - it's an added visual clue (alongside the thinness of the Tube lines) that they're part of the Underground. During the 1990's, the London Connections map used to use the monochrome (black & white) 'colours' for each Tube line, reserving the real colour for the overground lines. There was a logic in keeping the profusion of colour under control, but it ended up a really ugly map. The newer all-colour London Connections is, IMO, a better solution to a difficult design brief. |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
... asdf wrote: - New limited Southern service via Bookham Does that go to Guildford? There were a few peak hour trains in the old days - I think a hangover sop from the withdrawal of Thameslink. There is still a peak-hour Southern service to Guildford these days. Was still seeing slam-door stock, at least as recently as last Thursday, according to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southernrailway/ -- David Biddulph |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. It was running when I lived in Sutton 7 years ago. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Peter Masson" wrote in message
... The only 1tph stations I can think of in Greater London are Sudbury Hill Harrow, Chelsfield, Knockholt, and Belmont (IIRC Banstead and Epsom Downs are outside Greater London). The only peak hours only stations, IIRC, are Sudbury and Harrow Road, the Natiuonal Rail platforms at Barbican and Moorgate (Thameslink), and Shoreditch (LUL). Is anyone aware of any I have omitted? Does Angel Road still have a bad service? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"John Rowland" wrote Does Angel Road still have a bad service? You're right - Angel Road and Northumberland Park each only have 1 tph. The other Northumberland Park station (LUL Victoria Line) has a better service, but it's for staff only, and inside the Victoria Line depot. ISTR a proposal for redevelopment of the area, which would have involved the LUL station becoming a public station. Peter |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... Odd indeed. snip Really, they need a visual code in which these properties are shown by orthogonal, composable features: if interchangeness was just blackness, that would work. It would look horrible, though. Also, they show normal stations on tube and rail lines differently, which is bad. A thorough analysis! The link below takes you to a now well out-of-date site on the lack of consistancy on the Tube map, of which most of the issues have now been addressesed. It does show that 'great minds' have visited the issue of rail map (or more accurately diagram) consistancy beforehand. You forgot to include the link, i think, so here it is: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/p...ains/inter.htm Is that the one you were thinking of? However I think it's OK that stations on the Tube are shown differently to railway stations - it's an added visual clue (alongside the thinness of the Tube lines) that they're part of the Underground. That's one way of looking at it. My approach to a map like this would to be try to erase superfluous distinctions; since i don't think the difference between NR and LU lines is important per se (i think the difference in service level is, but not the operator!), i wouldn't try to display it. But then, i'm not the Association of Train Operating Companies. Ironically, it seems the ATOC symbol for NR stations is the one originally used on tube maps: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/extra/london-1909.gif Also, that the interchange symbol started life as a hollow coloured circle, as i suggest: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/big/london-1921.gif It wasn't until Hutchison, in 1960, that interchanges went black: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/big/london-1961a.gif This is sensible, though, since it deals with the conundrum of which line interchange stations should take their colour from. That said, i really like Beck's pre-1960 maps, where interchanges consist of one circle on each line (in the line's colour). Mad props to this excellent website on the history of interchange symbology: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/ tom -- Programming is a skill best acquired by practice and example rather than from books -- Alan Turing |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote Fair point. 1TPH, whilst a bit sparse, still counts as a 'full' station rather than a 'limited service' station. 'Limited service' stations seem to be those only serverd by peak trains. The only 1tph stations I can think of in Greater London are Sudbury Hill Harrow, Chelsfield, Knockholt, and Belmont (IIRC Banstead and Epsom Downs are outside Greater London). The only peak hours only stations, IIRC, are Sudbury and Harrow Road, the Natiuonal Rail platforms at Barbican and Moorgate (Thameslink), and Shoreditch (LUL). Is anyone aware of any I have omitted? The Great Northern Electrics, or Northern City Line, or whatever you want to call it, that runs from Finsbury Park to Moorgate, isn't exactly off-peak friendly: it only runs until ten during the week, and not at all at weekends. The W&C doesn't run on Sundays. Still, both of these do run during the midday off-peak. Hey, if we're counting not running at the weekend as being peak-only, how about the entire south side of the Circle? :) tom -- Programming is a skill best acquired by practice and example rather than from books -- Alan Turing |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:22:00 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: It wasn't until Hutchison, in 1960, that interchanges went black: About the only good feature of that abomination. This is sensible, though, since it deals with the conundrum of which line interchange stations should take their colour from. That said, i really like Beck's pre-1960 maps, where interchanges consist of one circle on each line (in the line's colour). I think that in some locations (Charing Cross/Embankment springs to mind) it looks absurdly crowded. Mad props to this excellent website on the history of interchange symbology: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/ A lovely diversion for twenty minutes or so. I actually really like the dot-in-circle for mainline interchanges. |
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John Rowland wrote: "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. It was running when I lived in Sutton 7 years ago. It's been running the present way for at least ten years I think. Thameslink runs the Wimbledon loop in both directions off peak, but in the peaks they only run it in one direction while Southern runs it in the other direction (ie clockwise v anticlockwise). I can never remember which runs which, but I know it reverses, ie whichever operator runs it clockwise in the morning runs it anticlockwise in the evening. Immediately before this arrangement, South Central, or whatever it was, ran the Wimbledon loop all the time, in a broken figure of eight. That is, London Bridge, Peckham, Streatham, Wimbledon, Sutton, Selhurst, Streatham Common, Victoria (and the reverse). I think Thameslink was just running down to West Croydon at that time. |
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