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Any one travelling from London to Brighton who does not have any other means of getting back to London contact me. I can take 2 bikes in my London taxi. I usually start work between 7 and 8 p.m. so you can have the whole day in Brighton. There will be a charge for the service but it will definitely not be the full fare! Price depends where you want to get to! blatant plug off (Stands pack and waits for flames) -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:51:59 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote: Southern - Cycles will be banned throughout the Southern network all day on Sunday 19 June 2005. Which, as I've posted elsewhere, is a massive over-reaction, and will nicely stuff up the journeys of anyone who relies on train+bike who may well be travelling nowhere near either London or Brighton, nor the route of the Ride. The Ride have organised alternative transport - this doesn't help anyone who wishes to travel for other reasons. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... Barry Salter writes: Yup, as the new trains don't have a brakevan, so there's nowhere to safely stow the bikes. Good innit? sensible Sounds bleeding stupid to me. The trains are virtually empty at weekends, so who's going to care? /sensible Ah but, in this litigation-mad society that we now have, who will pay if a 'regular' passenger gets injured by a badly-stowed or falling bicycle? I suspect that that is what is behind the decision. |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
(Huge)typed Mike Hughes writes: blatant plug on Any one travelling from London to Brighton who does not have any other means of getting back to London contact me. I can take 2 bikes in my London taxi. Are those wonderful trains the PT weenies are always exhorting us to use refusing to carry the cyclists back again this year? Fraid so. They're also banning bicyles on many other trains in the South of England and on Thameslink AIUI. The Rail Passenger Committee (Southern England) looked into this last year. We were assured that everybody taking part had been informed that trains could not be supplied and lorries were put on in their place to take them back to London. However 1,000s of bikes still turned up at Brighton and RPC monitored the chaos that was caused and the disruption to other non-cyclist passengers. This year Southern and Thameslink in particular are trying to prevent cyclists from going to London for the start and returning late afternoon evening because the scale of bikes that take part is probably in the 10s of 1,000s it will be monitored again. Their is a real problem here, the event has grown to a massive scale with both official registered riders (who have no excuse for not knowing the lorry arrangements) and many more how cycle along with the rest. Chris Fribbins RPC (SE) Member (until committees abolished at end of July) |
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Huge ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : cyclist-hater Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So cycle back, if it's so bloody marvellous. /cyclist-hater grin |
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Barry Salter ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : Southern - Cycles will be banned throughout the Southern network all day on Sunday 19 June 2005. Thameslink - Cycles will be banned on all Thameslink trains operating between London Blackfriars and Brighton all day on Sunday 19 June 2005. Cycles will continue to be carried between Bedford/Luton and London Blackfriars and between Wimbledon/Sutton/Carshalton and London Blackfriars Madness. Abso-****ing-lute madness. |
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(Huge)typed
(Neil Williams) writes: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:51:59 +0100, Barry Salter wrote: Southern - Cycles will be banned throughout the Southern network all day on Sunday 19 June 2005. Which, as I've posted elsewhere, is a massive over-reaction, and will nicely stuff up the journeys of anyone who relies on train+bike Given that bikes are carried free, the railway companies can do as they please. Indeed, but they can lose out on a passenger's long-term rail use, which might or might not make good business sense... ....Some of us want to remain car-free, but once tempted into car ownership, might make very few railway journeys. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : To be fair rail-using cyclists are often messed around on Sundays by engineering work and bus substitution "rail-using cyclists"? *EVERYBODY* is ****ed around on Sundays by engineering work etc... This isn't aimed personally at cyclists, y'know. |
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On 13 Jun 2005 06:16:41 GMT, Adrian wrote:
"rail-using cyclists"? *EVERYBODY* is ****ed around on Sundays by engineering work etc... This isn't aimed personally at cyclists, y'know. Oh, indeed, but cyclists more so because replacement buses (generally) don't carry bicycles, while they do carry other passengers and their luggage, admittedly usually with a great deal of inconvenience compared with the usual journey. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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Huge wrote:
sensible Sounds bleeding stupid to me. The trains are virtually empty at weekends, so who's going to care? /sensible cyclist-hater Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So cycle back, if it's so bloody marvellous. /cyclist-hater Huge finally succumbing to the realisation that sense and cycle-hating are mutually exclusive. And it's a sunny day. Two lightning strikes ;) |
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Huge wrote:
(Neil Williams) writes: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:51:59 +0100, Barry Salter wrote: Southern - Cycles will be banned throughout the Southern network all day on Sunday 19 June 2005. Which, as I've posted elsewhere, is a massive over-reaction, and will nicely stuff up the journeys of anyone who relies on train+bike Given that bikes are carried free, the railway companies can do as they please. They've realised that they can't charge for the 'service' they now deign to provide, given that they've lumped cyclists into the group marked non-frequent users who are generally stuffed. |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:08:04 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Mike Hughes wrote: I can take 2 bikes in my London taxi. That's about how many SWT can fit into the average train. Alternatively, the bike space will be filled with one giant pushchair.... |
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Huge wrote:
Well, it would be, cyclists not being acustomed to actually paying for anything, given that they use the roads and the trains for nothing. I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. You really are as thick as **** aren't you? ******. |
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Huge wrote:
Err, no. Unlike cyclists in general, and you in particular, I have the power of rational thought. Funny that your postings in regards to cyclists are irrational. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Huge wrote:
Chris writes: Huge wrote: Well, it would be, cyclists not being acustomed to actually paying for anything, given that they use the roads and the trains for nothing. I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. No you don't. You're a cyclist, and therefore a freeloader, a parasite, a hypocrite. You're a foulmouthed moron, too. Huge, please consider donating your brain to medical science when you die. I have really never come across one quite so extraordinary in my life! tom -- I content myself with the Speculative part [...], I care not for the Practick. I seldom bring any thing to use, 'tis not my way. Knowledge is my ultimate end. -- Sir Nicholas Gimcrack |
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In message , chris harrison
writes Huge finally succumbing to the realisation that sense and cycle-hating are mutually exclusive. Rubbish, I've yet to come across a cyclist who cares about pedestrians or the rules of the road. I've never seen a more selfish lot. -- Clive |
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In message . 170,
Adrian writes "rail-using cyclists"? *EVERYBODY* is ****ed around on Sundays by engineering work etc... This isn't aimed personally at cyclists, y'know. You can get return fares on busses, trains, coaches, planes etc., why should anyone make it more convenient to the discomfort of their other passengers, if you want to bike it, then do the same journey on return and bike back, you think it's so great you're welcome to it. -- Clive |
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Clive wrote:
In message , chris harrison writes Huge finally succumbing to the realisation that sense and cycle-hating are mutually exclusive. Rubbish, I've yet to come across a cyclist who cares about pedestrians or the rules of the road. I've never seen a more selfish lot. Yawn. s/cyclist/car-driver/** Repeat ad nauseum depending on your prejudices. |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... Huge wrote: Well, it would be, cyclists not being acustomed to actually paying for anything, given that they use the roads and the trains for nothing. I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. You really are as thick as **** aren't you? ******. Same here - I have 2 cars insured, taxed and MOT'd in regular use on the roads, but I cycle to work occasionally. In what way do I use the road for nothing? Exactly how much wear to the road does a bike cause compared to a car? How about the zero pollution from each bike user? Surely it is far better for the environment if *more* people cycled? There would be far less congestion, pollution and road wear if lots more people cycled instead of drove everywhere. Maybe "Huge" is too bloody lazy to get his fat arse out of the car and try cycling anywhere. Idiot. |
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Alan ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : Same here - I have 2 cars insured, taxed and MOT'd in regular use on the roads, but I cycle to work occasionally. In what way do I use the road for nothing? Road use is priced by the vehicle, not by the individual. You can't use the fact that one of your cars has a valid tax disc to justify the use of a second without buying a tax disc for it. Equally, you don't pay anything to use your bicycle on the road. Before I get flamed - I'm making no comment about whether I think bicycles *should* pay for a tax disc or not... |
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"Huge" wrote in message
... You're a cyclist, and therefore a freeloader, a parasite, a hypocrite. Unlike cyclists in general, and you in particular, I have the power of rational thought. Didn't you claim to use a bike at some point? Either you or Steve Firth - possibly both. If you did, would you care to explain why you aren't a cyclist and therefor subject to what you write above? clive |
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In message , Alan
writes I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. Same here - I have 2 cars insured, taxed and MOT'd in regular use on the roads, but I cycle to work occasionally. Same here, except that I don't have a bike. Am I due a rebate then? -- Steve Walker |
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Huge wrote:
Except that I have the degree certificates to demonstrate the opposite to that which you imply. Did you pay for your degree education(s?) or are you one of those freeloaders you so despise? |
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Clive George wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message ... You're a cyclist, and therefore a freeloader, a parasite, a hypocrite. Unlike cyclists in general, and you in particular, I have the power of rational thought. Didn't you claim to use a bike at some point? Either you or Steve Firth - possibly both. If you did, would you care to explain why you aren't a cyclist and therefor subject to what you write above? I'm fairly sure that he also used to decry those who flaunted higher degrees in contexts where they were irrelevant ("Except that I have the degree certificates ...."). Still, it's a little much for everyone to remain consistent in our views over so many years. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... "Alan" writes: "Chris" wrote in message ... Huge wrote: Well, it would be, cyclists not being acustomed to actually paying for anything, given that they use the roads and the trains for nothing. I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. You really are as thick as **** aren't you? ******. Same here - I have 2 cars insured, taxed and MOT'd in regular use on the roads, Irrelevant. but I cycle to work occasionally. In what way do I use the road for nothing? As a cyclist, you pay nothing to use the roads. That makes you a feeloader. Ahhhhh, so I'm a feeloader. I'm not aware of any system I'm dodging by using a bike. If there was such a system, and was sensibly priced, I'd be happy to use it. Tax on motorbikes is far less than cars, so as bicycle tax would be less still, it should be reasonable. However, as there is currently no system, you cannot accuse cyclists of anything. Exactly how much wear to the road does a bike cause compared to a car? Irrelevant. Road taxes are not hypothecated. See point above. How about the zero pollution from each bike user? The last time I looked, bikes were made from steel or aluminium, not moonbeams. But far less material in a bike than a car and therefore far less pollution in their manufacture. And once manufactured they do not pollute further in their use, unlike cars. Surely it is far better for the environment if *more* people cycled? Not the point at issue. There would be far less congestion, pollution and road wear if lots more people cycled instead of drove everywhere. Irrelevant. Didn't think you'd have an answer for that. Maybe "Huge" is too bloody lazy to get his fat arse out of the car and try cycling anywhere. 'Ad hominem' Or that. Still, when you're robbing Peter to subsidise Paul, you can't really expect Paul to have any complaints, can you? I'm not robbing from anyone, I am using the system provided by the government perfectly legally. So you'd rather all cyclists had cars instead and drove everywhere, however unnecessary just so that they can be in a taxed vehicle every time they make any journey, instead of using another transport solution which reduces pollution and congestion, and helps keep the cyclist fit? OK, so are you proposing pavement tax to anyone who walks anywhere because they're using the pavement for free? Pavements are built as part of roads. Go get a life. Idiot. You cyclists are fond of self-descriptive sigs, aren't you? I don't have any signature. What's your point? |
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In article ,
Huge wrote: As it happens, nor am I at this point. I just want cyclists to admit that they get to use the roads for nothing. They pay VAT on the purchase of their bike, which goes to pay for the upkeep of the roads in the same way that the money you pay for the tax disc does ('road tax' being tied in some way to spending on new roads stopped being true in the 1920s, IIRC). It's possible that this is in reasonable proportion to the damage they cause to the road - and thus the amount of money that needs to be spent on maintaince - but that would be difficult to show, I suspect. Then we come to the next point; cyclists want to be treated like "proper road users" (in actual fact, they mean cars, but if you mention that, they deny it.) That's fine by me. I want them to be treated like "proper road users", too; that is, registered, licensed, tested, tested? The rigour of testing seems to be proportional to the amount of damage improper use will cause: that's why a 21tonne LGV licence (and LGV MOT, if you were refering to vehicle rather than driver testing) is more difficult to get than a moped licence. Therefore, I suspect that the test for a push bike would be about as hard to pass as writting the date on the application - and thus rather pointless. carry a registration plate, be prosecuted for their continuous infractions of the road laws I'd agree with that, but that's an manpower/enforcement issue (like all road issues that can't be detected with a camera). Cheers, Mike |
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In message , Alan
writes Surely it is far better for the environment if *more* people cycled? There would be far less congestion, pollution and road wear if lots more people cycled instead of drove everywhere. Maybe "Huge" is too bloody lazy to get his fat arse out of the car and try cycling anywhere. Maybe if the government got on and built the roads and by-passes for which they have the money, there would be less congestion anyway. ( Yes they have the money, or are they spending our money making war with Iraq without payment. -- Clive |
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In message , Huge
writes Then we come to the next point; cyclists want to be treated like "proper road users" (in actual fact, they mean cars, but if you mention that, they deny it.) That's fine by me. I want them to be treated like "proper road users", too; that is, registered, licensed, tested, carry a registration plate, be prosecuted for their continuous infractions of the road laws and bled white in taxes. Then they can justifably complain about the crappiness of the facilities they are provided with, since they will have paid for them. Whinging about things provided at other people's expense just shows what kind of people they actually are. I endorse this 100%. -- Clive |
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In message , Alan
writes however unnecessary just so that they can be in a taxed vehicle every time they make any journey, instead of using another transport solution which reduces pollution and congestion, And fuel excise duty plus VAT on top. -- Clive |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... Chris writes: Huge wrote: I'm a 40% tax payer, a paid-up motorist, and a cyclist. I pay for the roads just as much anyone. No you don't. You're a cyclist, and therefore a freeloader, a parasite, a hypocrite. You're a foulmouthed moron, too. tiny (aka huge) complaining about someone else being foulmouthed! ROFL!! You really are as thick as **** aren't you? Err, no. Unlike cyclists in general, and you in particular, I have the power of rational thought. such a pity you've never bothered to demonstrate it then tiny. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... Adrian writes: Alan ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Equally, you don't pay anything to use your bicycle on the road. Spot on. Except that local roads are funded by local taxation, and cyclists pay local taxes. As it happens, nor am I at this point. I just want cyclists to admit that they get to use the roads for nothing. I don't get to use the roads for nothing, I pay local taxes. Then we come to the next point; cyclists want to be treated like "proper road users" (in actual fact, they mean cars, but if you mention that, they deny it.) That's fine by me. I want them to be treated like "proper road users", too; that is, registered, licensed, tested, carry a registration plate, be prosecuted for their continuous infractions of the road laws and bled white in taxes. Then they can justifably complain about the crappiness of the facilities they are provided with, since they will have paid for them. Whinging about things provided at other people's expense just shows what kind of people they actually are. So, using tiny's "rational" process, we'll be taxing, licensing and registering pedestrians, who also use "use the roads for nothing". tiny and rational would appear to be mutually exclusive. |
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In message , Rich
writes So, using tiny's "rational" process, we'll be taxing, licensing and registering pedestrians, who also use "use the roads for nothing". In my neck of the woods, pedestrians have more sense than to walk in the roads. Is it different in London? -- Clive |
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Mike Bristow ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : They pay VAT on the purchase of their bike I've never paid VAT on the purchase of a bike. I have several bikes. |
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Adrian wrote:
Mike Bristow ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : They pay VAT on the purchase of their bike I've never paid VAT on the purchase of a bike. I have several bikes. But that's because you are a poor hard done by motorist who can only afford rusty hand-me-downs, instead of being a much more affluent and well-off car-free cyclist ;-) But then the last cycle I bought contributed around five times more in tax to the country's coffers than most people pay in VED :-( John B |
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JohnB ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : I've never paid VAT on the purchase of a bike. I have several bikes. But that's because you are a poor hard done by motorist who can only afford rusty hand-me-downs Well, I'd hate it if my bike showed my cars up for the rusty hand-me-downs they are... But then the last cycle I bought contributed around five times more in tax to the country's coffers than most people pay in VED :-( Eh? You spent FIVE AND A HALF GRAND ON A BICYCLE? ARE YOU BARKING? |
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"Clive" wrote in message ... In message , Rich writes So, using tiny's "rational" process, we'll be taxing, licensing and registering pedestrians, who also use "use the roads for nothing". In my neck of the woods, pedestrians have more sense than to walk in the roads. Is it different in London? how the f would I know, I'm not stupid enough to live there. BTW, I think you'll find the definition of "road" includes the pavement. -- Clive |
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Adrian wrote:
JohnB ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : I've never paid VAT on the purchase of a bike. I have several bikes. But that's because you are a poor hard done by motorist who can only afford rusty hand-me-downs Well, I'd hate it if my bike showed my cars up for the rusty hand-me-downs they are... But then the last cycle I bought contributed around five times more in tax to the country's coffers than most people pay in VED :-( Eh? You spent FIVE AND A HALF GRAND ON A BICYCLE? Nope. John B |
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