"Jean-Francois Dancre" wrote in message
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Mrs Redboots a écrit :

We're actually the oddity in that respect. France has plates which
change
whenever it's re-registered into a different department. Germany's
similar.

France's laws change in 2008, when they will no longer have regional
plates but a format of AA 123 AA, where AA are 2 letters & 123 are 3
numbers. I believe drivers who wish to do so *may* have a regional or
departmental indicator to the right of their number-plate; an "F" in
European stars to the left will be (I think) compulsory. No
personalisation will be possible - you will have to take what you get.

Indeed. This is exactly what I intended to post, only you did it first and
put it better :-) .

I might just add that scooters are already registered with the new
numbering, and have been since January 2004 (their plates are of the form
A 123 A [note the single letter at the beginning and the end], to be
extended if/when new plates are needed with the A 123 AA and A 123 AAA
series).


Are Great Britain and the Irish Republic (but not Northern Ireland) very
much in the minority among countries throughout the world in still encoding
the place and year of registration into the registration number? It seems
such an eminently sensible thing for a registration plate to contain
*information* rather than just being a random number that I'm surprised all
countries don't do it. Apparently when the A 123 ABC format in GB was about
to come to the end of its life, the police strongly recommended to the DVLA
that future schemes such as the present AA 12 AAA format should still encode
place and date, because it was often the only thing about a registration
number that witnesses would remember if they glimpsed a car being involved
in an offence - presumably subconsciously they remembered the parts that
actually meant something.

I hadn't realised that some European countries had a system whereby the
registration number was owned by the person, not the car. Does that mean
that when a person passes his driving test and buys his first car, he gets
allocated a number (somewhat akin to a social security number?) that he uses
on all his successive cars throughout his life? Their equivalent of the DVLA
must be kept very busy recording all the changes of registration number
applied to cars as they are bought and sold.

It always intrigues me to look at other countries' ways of solving problems
(especially if I think our way of doing it is better!!) - in America, France
and Germany, someone obviously made a conscious decision that it was a good
idea to change a car's registration number whenever the car changed hands,
rather than either the car keeping the same number throughout its life or
else the driver keeping the same number throughout his life.

"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

On the other hand, I like their concept of having part-time speed limits:
most schools have a reasonable speed limit outside them except at the
beginning and end of the school day when the limit is reduced. Over here
they'd slap on a blanket 30mph limit 24 hours a day :-(


We are getting towards part-time speed limits here in UK now. There are
several areas which are 30mph, but have a 20mph limit during school crossing
times.
Dave G

Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

It always intrigues me to look at other countries' ways of solving problems
(especially if I think our way of doing it is better!!) - in America, France
and Germany, someone obviously made a conscious decision that it was a good
idea to change a car's registration number whenever the car changed hands,
rather than either the car keeping the same number throughout its life or
else the driver keeping the same number throughout his life.

Indeed, the present system in some countries is that the car must change
its registration number whenever the owner moves, never mind when the
car changes hands!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

It always intrigues me to look at other countries' ways of solving
problems
(especially if I think our way of doing it is better!!) - in America,
France
and Germany, someone obviously made a conscious decision that it was a
good
idea to change a car's registration number whenever the car changed hands,
rather than either the car keeping the same number throughout its life or
else the driver keeping the same number throughout his life.

Indeed, the present system in some countries is that the car must change
its registration number whenever the owner moves, never mind when the
car changes hands!

Well I suppose it keeps the bureaucrats and the makers of number plates in
business :-)

What were they smoking when they thought that this was actually a *good*
idea, I wonder? It must make it very difficult to track offences (speeding,
parking) if the car number changes; similarly to prove that a car has had
routine maintenance and their equivalent of an MOT test. OK, the car still
has a VIN which is unique and unchanging, but it's hardly practicable for
this to be checked as easily as a car number.


Going back to the earlier theme of "let's mock the Americans' way of doing
things", another thing that I found when I drove over there was that their
standard of signposting, once you got off the multi-lane highways, was
abysmal. Maybe I'm just used to a three-way sign at the junction of almost
every country lane in England. And the road name signs are very difficult to
read because they are in a very condensed font, in white letters on a pale
green background: signs are supposed to be legible! I can only comment on
Massachussetts roads: I don't know whether it's the same in all states. It
doesn't help that the road atlas that I had was organised by town (rather
than being a simple west-to-east, north-to-south arrangement) and the
various maps were at different scales and in different styles. And this was
a map book that boasted on its front cover "highly acclaimed" and "very easy
to use"!!!

Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

Going back to the earlier theme of "let's mock the Americans' way of doing
things", another thing that I found when I drove over there was that their
standard of signposting, once you got off the multi-lane highways, was
abysmal. Maybe I'm just used to a three-way sign at the junction of almost
every country lane in England. And the road name signs are very difficult to
read because they are in a very condensed font, in white letters on a pale
green background: signs are supposed to be legible! I can only comment on
Massachussetts roads: I don't know whether it's the same in all states. It
doesn't help that the road atlas that I had was organised by town (rather
than being a simple west-to-east, north-to-south arrangement) and the
various maps were at different scales and in different styles. And this was
a map book that boasted on its front cover "highly acclaimed" and "very easy
to use"!!!

They don't seem to be very good at doing road maps - we used that same
one, I think, when we visited Mass. some years ago now.

The thing I noticed on our visit to Kansas was that distances were
measured in fractions of a mile, rather than yards - where we would say
there was an exit in (say) 200 yards, they'd put "3/8 mile"
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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The thing I noticed on our visit to Kansas was that distances were
measured in fractions of a mile, rather than yards - where we would say
there was an exit in (say) 200 yards, they'd put "3/8 mile"

That's why America seems so big, if 200 of their yards are 3/8 of a mile.
It would need 660 of our little English yards. :-)
--
David Biddulph

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

Going back to the earlier theme of "let's mock the Americans' way of doing
things", another thing that I found when I drove over there was that their
standard of signposting, once you got off the multi-lane highways, was
abysmal. Maybe I'm just used to a three-way sign at the junction of almost
every country lane in England. And the road name signs are very difficult
to
read because they are in a very condensed font, in white letters on a pale
green background: signs are supposed to be legible! I can only comment on
Massachussetts roads: I don't know whether it's the same in all states. It
doesn't help that the road atlas that I had was organised by town (rather
than being a simple west-to-east, north-to-south arrangement) and the
various maps were at different scales and in different styles. And this
was
a map book that boasted on its front cover "highly acclaimed" and "very
easy
to use"!!!

They don't seem to be very good at doing road maps - we used that same
one, I think, when we visited Mass. some years ago now.

Yes, it assumes that you instinctively know which township or which district
of a big city (eg Boston) you are currently in - because each has its own
separate index of street names (as opposed to a Massachussets-wide or even
Boston-wide index of streets). I got lost on my way back to Logan airport
somewhere in the Boston suburbs. With a decent map it would have been dead
easy to look up a street name and locate myself. But when you've got to work
out which suburb ("town") you're in to know which index to look in, it makes
life very difficult. The idea of having maps that didn't tile together on
consecutive pages in the book and which were all at different scales was the
final straw: it was so bad that it was hilarious. When I mentioned it to an
American he seemed mystified and impressed that I had the courage to venture
off the multi-lane highways!

The thing I noticed on our visit to Kansas was that distances were
measured in fractions of a mile, rather than yards - where we would say
there was an exit in (say) 200 yards, they'd put "3/8 mile".

Alternatively they measure smaller distances in feet rather than yards.
Seeing a temporary road works sign that says "Road works - 3000 feet ahead"
makes you think "Er, what? Oh, 1000 yards. Right, OK." Just a case of what
you're used to. But using non-decimal fractions of a mile is just plain
stupid, given that car mileometers are calibrated in tenths of a mile - much
better to say "0.4 mile" or "4/10 mile" rather than "3/8 mile". Mind you,
our signs sometimes give distances as 1/2 or 1/4 mile - but I imagine more
people know what these are as tenths of a mile than could work out 3/8 mile
in an instant.

The other thing that caught me out is that on minor roads there's sometimes
no stop or give-way line where a minor road meets a major road - very tricky
to work out where to stop, especially where the junction is on a bend.
However zebra crossings have dirty-great white lines across the road:
several times I instinctively slammed on the brakes to stop at a zebra
crossing, even when there was no-one crossing, thinking I was meeting a
major road - it's one thing knowing that you're wrong; it's another thing
remembering it in the heat of the moment. And it felt wrong not having a
red-and-amber "get ready to go, put the car in gear/drive, take the
handbrake off" phase to traffic lights, but I gather a lot of Europe is like
that.

I must admit, after driving in America and having to keep down to fairly low
speed limits on single-carriageway roads (35 where we'd probably have had 50
or 60), it was nice to get off the train from Gatwick into my own car and
drive on the right side of the road on country lanes where I was able to
drive at a reasonable speed, or on a dual-carriageway where I wouldn't have
to contend with someone overtaking me on my nearside or going dead-level
with me mile after mile, and in a car that didn't change down automatically
into second gear every time I dropped below 30 or negotiated a roundabout!
Before I went, I was apprehensive of how I'd adjust to driving on the other
side of the road, but I had no problems with that. And I think I coped with
roundabouts like the one going onto Cape Cod a damn-sight better than most
Americans who very rarely get to see one and were flummoxed to encounter one
all of a sudden. I wouldn't like to have to drive a RHD car on the right (or
an LHD car on the left) though: I like to be able to see in my door mirror
what's overtaking me or see what's coming towards me when I want to
overtake.

David Biddulph wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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The thing I noticed on our visit to Kansas was that distances were
measured in fractions of a mile, rather than yards - where we would say
there was an exit in (say) 200 yards, they'd put "3/8 mile"

That's why America seems so big, if 200 of their yards are 3/8 of a mile.
It would need 660 of our little English yards. :-)

Well, you know what I mean......
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

And it felt wrong not having a
red-and-amber "get ready to go, put the car in gear/drive, take the
handbrake off" phase to traffic lights, but I gather a lot of Europe is like
that.

France certainly is; Germany is more like us. Not sure about any other
European countries, we were only on the motorways in Belgium last
holidays, and I don't think I noticed what the situation was in
Switzerland.

I must admit, after driving in America and having to keep down to fairly low
speed limits on single-carriageway roads (35 where we'd probably have had 50
or 60), it was nice to get off the train from Gatwick into my own car and
drive on the right side of the road on country lanes where I was able to
drive at a reasonable speed, or on a dual-carriageway where I wouldn't have
to contend with someone overtaking me on my nearside or going dead-level
with me mile after mile, and in a car that didn't change down automatically
into second gear every time I dropped below 30 or negotiated a roundabout!
Before I went, I was apprehensive of how I'd adjust to driving on the other
side of the road, but I had no problems with that.

One doesn't, I understand. I don't yet drive, but I'm told by those who
do that this is invariably far less difficult than anticipated.

And I think I coped with
roundabouts like the one going onto Cape Cod a damn-sight better than most
Americans who very rarely get to see one and were flummoxed to encounter one
all of a sudden. I wouldn't like to have to drive a RHD car on the right (or
an LHD car on the left) though: I like to be able to see in my door mirror
what's overtaking me or see what's coming towards me when I want to
overtake.


Husband & Daughter haven't ever had any problems with this one, either.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 25 Jun 2005:

And it felt wrong not having a
red-and-amber "get ready to go, put the car in gear/drive, take the
handbrake off" phase to traffic lights, but I gather a lot of Europe is
like
that.

France certainly is; Germany is more like us. Not sure about any other
European countries, we were only on the motorways in Belgium last
holidays, and I don't think I noticed what the situation was in
Switzerland.

I think Germany has no red-and-amber phase - I think I remember noticing.

The one thing that I remember reading about the Netherlands is that the rule
of priority on roundabouts is the reverse of ours: instead of traffic
waiting to join the roundabout having to give way to traffic already on the
roundabout that's coming from their left, its the other way round: traffic
on the roundabout has to give way to traffic waiting to join - which
frequently causes total gridlock! The EU apparently once tried to get the UK
to adopt this practice but were told where to go ;-)

I must admit, after driving in America and having to keep down to fairly
low
speed limits on single-carriageway roads (35 where we'd probably have had
50
or 60), it was nice to get off the train from Gatwick into my own car and
drive on the right side of the road on country lanes where I was able to
drive at a reasonable speed, or on a dual-carriageway where I wouldn't
have
to contend with someone overtaking me on my nearside or going dead-level
with me mile after mile, and in a car that didn't change down
automatically
into second gear every time I dropped below 30 or negotiated a roundabout!
Before I went, I was apprehensive of how I'd adjust to driving on the
other
side of the road, but I had no problems with that.

One doesn't, I understand. I don't yet drive, but I'm told by those who
do that this is invariably far less difficult than anticipated.

I think being on the opposite side of the car (the correct side for road)
helps a great deal. And at least in an automatic I didn't have the added
distraction of having to change gear frequently and remembering that the
layout of the gears is one of the things that's *not* a mirror image. Only
occasionally did I have to remember at junctions not to pull out
instinctively onto the wrong side of the road I was joining.

One thing I did notice driving and walking through small towns was how much
more willing American drivers were to give way to cars pulling out from side
roads or to pedestrians wanting to cross the road. When I was on foot,
several cars stopped simply because I'd turned to face the opposite side of
the road to admire a building! Even in the centre of Boston, cars were
willing to give way to pedestrians who weren't on "crosswalks" (also signed
as "PED XING" which had me puzzled till I worked out what it was an
abbreviation for!) or to drivers on side roads. However I also noticed that
pedestrians never seemed to assume that they had a divine right to cross a
side road that a car was waiting to turn into - maybe the rules of who has
priority over whom are more sensible over there.