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Parking in Lambeth
Anyone who drives a car in Lambeth is a target for unfair ticketing. The council have put financial incentives in their parking contract which means that traffic wardens have to hand out 12 tickets for EVERY 12 hour shift. Find out more he http://www.lambethlabour.com/parking/ Anyone else experienced unfair ticketing? |
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Charlie wrote: Anyone who drives a car in Lambeth is a target for unfair ticketing. The council have put financial incentives in their parking contract which means that traffic wardens have to hand out 12 tickets for EVERY 12 hour shift. Find out more he http://www.lambethlabour.com/parking/ Anyone else experienced unfair ticketing? Just what is so unfair about this, then? I live in Fulham, and would suggest that any traffic warden unable to issue 12 tickets per hour - let alone 12 per shift (Wandsworth Bridge Road area) is either asleep or colluding with the shops and illegal parkers who make everyone else's life a misery. Marc. |
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Charlie wrote:
Anyone who drives a car in Lambeth is a target for unfair ticketing. The council have put financial incentives in their parking contract which means that traffic wardens have to hand out 12 tickets for EVERY 12 hour shift. Find out more he http://www.lambethlabour.com/parking/ Anyone else experienced unfair ticketing? The website doesn't really define "Unfair ticketing". If someone parks illegally, then they should rightly be ticketed. The simple way to stop "over-zealous" (funny that that term only applies to people like traffic wardens, ticket inspectors etc) ticketers is to not park illegally. 12 tickets per shift isn't that much. The way the Evening Standard goes on about it, I was under the impression that individual wardens were issuing that many an hour... Sorry to sound unsympathetic, (and I'm not a traffic warden btw) but I am tired of people thinking that parking laws are just suggestions and are there to be flouted. That said, the idea of private companies skimming a profit of parking tickets etc. leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. |
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I think you've missed the point. The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out 200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake for putting 12 hour shift in the first post). The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed, only 120,000 tickets were handed out. So how do they make up the difference? They ticket people who AREN'T parking illegally. I am not exagerating here. A guy whose scooter had been crushed was ticketed whilst he was being put in the back of an ambulance after an accident. Another bloke was given a ticket when his legally parked car was rammed onto the pavement. you can't make this stuff up, it's all been reported in the local newspapers. For every extreme example their are thousands of others. I couldn't agree with you more that people parked illegally should be ticketed. But I'm afraid this contract is forcing wardens to ticket people who are parked illegally. |
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"Charlie" wrote in message oups.com... I think you've missed the point. The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out 200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake for putting 12 hour shift in the first post). The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed, only 120,000 tickets were handed out. Just because only 120k tickets were issued last year does not mean that is the total number of cars parked illegally. There would be many more who did not get caught because there didn't happen to be a traffic warden around at the time. So if the new company are more efficient than the old one and catch more vehicles it is perfectly possible to issue 200k tickets without having to ticket random cars. So how do they make up the difference? They ticket people who AREN'T parking illegally. I am not exagerating here. A guy whose scooter had been crushed was ticketed whilst he was being put in the back of an ambulance after an accident. Another bloke was given a ticket when his legally parked car was rammed onto the pavement. you can't make this stuff up, it's all been reported in the local newspapers. For every extreme example their are thousands of others. How is a traffic warden supposed to know that the driver of a scooter has been taken to hospital. Are they psychic? Should they ring round every hospital before they issue a ticket just in case? I couldn't agree with you more that people parked illegally should be ticketed. But I'm afraid this contract is forcing wardens to ticket people who are parked illegally. In other words you have been given a couple of tickets and are now whinging because you used to be able to park wherever you liked. Peter Smyth |
Parking in Lambeth
"Peter Smyth" wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message oups.com... I think you've missed the point. The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out 200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake for putting 12 hour shift in the first post). The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed, only 120,000 tickets were handed out. Just because only 120k tickets were issued last year does not mean that is the total number of cars parked illegally. There would be many more who did not get caught because there didn't happen to be a traffic warden around at the time. So if the new company are more efficient than the old one and catch more vehicles it is perfectly possible to issue 200k tickets without having to ticket random cars. I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday. And as a resident of these localities who goes out of his way to park legally, it really pees me off that these people aren't ticketed. tim |
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The Lib Dems on Lambeth Council have tried that one too! Unfortunately the rate of appeals against tickets (as a percentage of tickets issued) went through the roof in Lambeth as soon as the new contract was signed. This is a clear sign that it as the number of tickets went up, the quality of the tickets nose-dived. Your argument (and the practice of setting an arbitrary target) also ignores the possibility of deterrent. Any logical system would expect better enforcement to result in a decreasing number of parking violations, as people realise they won't get away with it. The 200, 000 figure is set in stone for 4 years! It's hard to believe I know, but the traffic warden didn't turn up after the guy had been taken away, he gave the given AT THE SAME TIME as the guy was being put in the ambulance. People were remonstrating with him as he did it. That's how the papers found out. This ticket actually won the 2004 "worst ticket in the world" on the appealnow.com website. As for your comment about me whinging because I got a ticket...sorry mate...I don't even own a car! Good parking enforcment keeps the roads clear and safe, a bad parking enforcement system (like the one in Lambeth) undermines the whole system. You can have a very effective system, as they do in many other local authorities, which doesn't have financial incentives in the contract. I think you having trouble seeing the wood for the trees! |
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The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus
have to hand out 200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly reduced. Most of these contracts, and certainly the incentives for the individual parking attendents, specify a certain number of *valid* tickets must be issued in a set period of time. This eliminates the incentive to issue incorrect tickets to fill a quota. Of course, people who think they have been incorrectly issued with a penalty notice can always appeal - by paying you agree that you were parked illegally in return for the council taking no further action against you. Matt Ashby |
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On 29 Jun 2005 16:30:36 -0700, "Matt Ashby"
wrote: Of course, people who think they have been incorrectly issued with a penalty notice can always appeal - by paying you agree that you were parked illegally in return for the council taking no further action against you. The latter, of course, is fine in theory, but not if someone's car has been towed away in the process. They invariably then have no choice but to pay to get the vehicle back, as the "storage" charges rack up by the day. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
Parking in Lambeth
Charlie wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 29 Jun 2005:
Anyone who drives a car in Lambeth is a target for unfair ticketing. The council have put financial incentives in their parking contract which means that traffic wardens have to hand out 12 tickets for EVERY 12 hour shift. Find out more he http://www.lambethlabour.com/parking/ Anyone else experienced unfair ticketing? In Lambeth? Definitely! Too often to go into detail.... but unless you have access to off-road parking, there's not much point in owning a car in Lambeth! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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Peter Smyth wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 29 Jun 2005:
In other words you have been given a couple of tickets and are now whinging because you used to be able to park wherever you liked. You obviously don't live in Lambeth! We've even been issued a ticket when we had paid for the parking - although, to be fair, I think that was in Wandsworth. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:
I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday. In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very* sure that tickets will be issued! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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Peter Smyth wrote:
you can't make this stuff up, it's all been reported in the local newspapers. For every extreme example their are thousands of others. I don't even believe what is printed in Nationals let alone Locals. I learnt from an early age that just because it say it in the paper it doesn't mean it must be true! Where I live, and in other areas I know, illegal parking by a small minority is a severe problem that costs thousands of people increased delays and causes great danger to pedestrians and cyclists. Roll on better enforcement of traffic laws for all classes of road users. Jim Chisholm |
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Mrs Redboots wrote:
tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005: I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday. In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very* sure that tickets will be issued! Not correct I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No waiting at any time' restrictiona apply. See HC Jim Chisholm |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:
In article , (Mrs Redboots) wrote: In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very* sure that tickets will be issued! Not any more. Double yellow lines only mean "No Waiting at any time" now. Is that so? Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time? Of course, if more *legal* parking places existed, people would be less inclined to park illegally! Okay, we don't have to own a car, but they can come in useful on occasions..... -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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J. Chisholm typed: Mrs Redboots wrote: In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. Not correct I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No waiting at any time' restrictiona apply. See HC Not quite correct. There can be posted 'seasonal exceptions'. See HC -- Bob |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:
Is that so? Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time? I've long wondered that but then I don't live in London so we don't have them at all. Seriously, isn't it the difference between waiting and stopping? Although on red routes they provide spaces where you can stop for 20 minutes and/or load or unload and/or be a disabled driver. They also have pelican crossings every 50 yards or so. This is supposed to make the traffic flow more easily, but I can't see it, myself.... although, to be fair, Streatham High Road is, normally, better than it used to be now they have made it 2 lanes instead of 3, the 3rd lane being parking or bus stops or even, occasionally, bus lanes. Of course, if more *legal* parking places existed, people would be less inclined to park illegally! Okay, we don't have to own a car, but they can come in useful on occasions..... There are too many cars. I agree, but who is going to do without one? Even we have one, although we don't use it very much in London. And I should hate *not* to have it! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Not any more. Double yellow lines only mean "No Waiting at any time" now. Surely double (or single) yellow lines refer to parking, but allow loading. Loading restrictions are marked by cross lines on the kerb. 'Twas so when I passed my test but I may be showing my age. Red routes AIUI prohibit stopping for any reason. -- Tony Bryer |
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In message , Mrs Redboots
writes Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005: Not any more. Double yellow lines only mean "No Waiting at any time" now. Is that so? It is indeed - and has been for quite a while now. Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time? Double Red means no stopping - i.e. you cannot even stop to answer the mobile phone or to let somebody out. When red routes first appeared on the A1 this policy was ruthlessly enforced (by wardens en masse waiting for an offender) but since red routes have become more common I have seen less enforcement, and so inevitably double red has started to equate to double yellow. -- Paul Terry |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:03 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote: In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. Is it really? Surely, a single yellow line would be used in those circumstances, as a double line means no waiting at any time. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:09:05 +0100, Mrs Redboots
wrote: Is that so? Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time? No loading either. I guess the Red Route markings mean roughly the same as a double yellow line with the appropriate (can't remember what they are) pavement markings to signify no loading. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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In message , Neil Williams
writes On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:09:05 +0100, Mrs Redboots wrote: Is that so? Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time? No loading either. I guess the Red Route markings mean roughly the same as a double yellow line with the appropriate (can't remember what they are) pavement markings to signify no loading. Neil Yellow Lines Broken line - no waiting for less than the working day Single line - no waiting for the working day (7 a.m. to 7 p.m.) double yellow lines - no waiting for longer than the working day. This does not automatically mean at all times. Exact times will be displayed on plates nearby (or at the entrance to an area in major towns/cities) -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
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In message , Mike Hughes
writes Yellow Lines Broken line - no waiting for less than the working day Single line - no waiting for the working day (7 a.m. to 7 p.m.) Much though I hate to correct a taxi driver, this is wrong and misleading. For instance, one high street not far from me has a single yellow line with plates announcing no parking "Monday to Sunday, 8.00am to midnight". Every evening and every Sunday parking wardens are out in force issuing hundreds of tickets to shoppers who make incorrect assumptions about "working days". :( -- Paul Terry |
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Mike Hughes wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:
Yellow Lines Broken line - no waiting for less than the working day Single line - no waiting for the working day (7 a.m. to 7 p.m.) double yellow lines - no waiting for longer than the working day. This does not automatically mean at all times. This is what I thought, but I'm told I'm wrong! And, indeed, http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm specifically says "Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions." So it's obviously changed since I last learnt the Highway Code (must get an up-to-date copy!). -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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Neil Williams wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:03 +0100, Mrs Redboots wrote: In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. Is it really? Surely, a single yellow line would be used in those circumstances, as a double line means no waiting at any time. I wish they'd announce when they change these things.... I gather that it has changed since I last studied the Highway Code! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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J. Chisholm wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote: tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005: I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday. In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very* sure that tickets will be issued! Not correct I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No waiting at any time' restrictiona apply. See HC I think you'll find that late evening and on a Sunday are when the parking attendants are not on shift. If they were, you'll probably be ticketed, whatever the local notices might say. -- Simon Hewison |
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Simon Hewison wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 3 Jul 2005:
I think you'll find that late evening and on a Sunday are when the parking attendants are not on shift. If they were, you'll probably be ticketed, whatever the local notices might say. In my experience, it's just when they *are* on shift, to try to catch you out..... -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 23 May 2005 |
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