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In article , Richard Sobey
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About 09:45 I heard a loud bang in the distance. I thought it was
south-east (that is, towards Holborn) but I guess it was the Tavistock
Square bus.

I witnessed the bus explosion - I must have been standing approx 50
metres away,

Ouch. My fullest sympathies.

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"Terry Harper" writes:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:46:23 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

As discussed in another thread, that is probably wrong - the police were
diverting all EASTBOUND traffic on the Euston Road down through
Tavistock Square, so it is much more likely that the bus was bound for
Hackney, not Marble March.

The pictures in today's newspapers suggest that the destination blind
was set to Hackney.

Photos taken from the kerbside from a few yards away show that the
somewhat damaged blind is displaying "Hackney Wick".
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(Tom Anderson) wrote:

I do take comfort from two facts: firstly, the exits at Russell Square
are right at the southern end of the platform, so i always get on in
the first carriage, to save on walking, so i would have been a good
distance from the bomb

I thought the bomb was in the first car?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...tml/russell_sq.
stm seems to confirm this.

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"Boltar" wrote:
but because those spinelessarseholes refusing to drive their buses

It's so nice to know that you rushed down there to drive the buses for
them!
Oh, you didn't have the nerve to do that? Just to whine!

Are you volunteering to work in hospital to help the survivors?
Are you doing charity work to support those grieving? Offering up a
tithe to help the innocent?

Or just ****ing in your beer, because you don't think that your
mother, who you said wasn't there, might not have been smart enough to
get assistance, had she needed it. Which is probably true, because her
own silly child is a ****! Maybe not, but she certainly wouldn't have
trusted her own child to rush out and help to bring her home.


On the other side of the coin, my prayers are to all those directly
and indirectly touched by these vile acts. And the truly heroic people
whose lives go on. Whether they've had to show that strength, or will
have to show it, as they continue to live, day to day!

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ITV news reported last night that one of the bombs (can't remember if
it was the Russell Sq one) was right at the front of the train.

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Terry Harper wrote on Fri, 8 Jul 2005
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:46:23 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

As discussed in another thread, that is probably wrong - the police were
diverting all EASTBOUND traffic on the Euston Road down through
Tavistock Square, so it is much more likely that the bus was bound for
Hackney, not Marble March.

The pictures in today's newspapers suggest that the destination blind
was set to Hackney.

Meanwhile someone at the Independent had a bright idea, resulting
in an article today by Jonathan Brown based on a journey
on the 0845 No. 30 _from_ Hackney Wick:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article297934.ece.
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"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
So there were no buses in Inner London because their drivers were
"spineless"? For goodness' sake, a bomb had exploded on one earlier,

Read what I wrote. I'm not talking about central london , the police
had
asked the buses to stop there, i know that. But in north london most of
the
buses also seemed have completely stopped. There was no 134 or 263 and
they
go well out into zones 3 & 4. I spoke to some "official" (read kid in
uniform)
and he said the drivers for arriva and some other company whos name
escapes me weren't turning up for work or were simply refusing to
drive.
Bunch of pussies. If myself and loads of other were willing to risk
being
a passenger I don't see why they can't risk driving the things.

drivers were ordered not to drive there and given the traffic situation,

The traffic was no worse than normal in the burbs as far as I could
see.

B2003


If it took you that long to walk out of London, how long do you think it
took the next shift of bus drivers to get in to the depots to drive the
buses so you didn't have to walk?

Peter

PS They would then have had to drive safely for the rest of their turn even
if they were knackered from walking in!

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On 8 Jul 2005 03:45:38 -0700, "Boltar" said:

How exactly would unwell or infirm have managed to walk miles and
miles home? Or would you just expect them to sleep on the streets? My
mother visits london fairly often can can hardly climb into a bus
never mind walk 10 miles.

I hear London has this incredible new invention called the "taxi cab".

Impossible to get on Thursday, unfortunately.

I really can't walk more than about 200 yards now and had to struggle to
get home.

I'm sure I was not the only one.

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So it would be right near the road that comes out at the far end of
Cartwright Gardens?

since my last trip there,I remember i used to walk across the street
from the Russell and there was an office there where you could book
tourist trips,Frames Rickards i believe,there was a petrol station the
same side as the Russell and a family owned British style food
resteraunt

I think there was a college there too.

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So it would be right near the road that comes out at the far end of
Cartwright Gardens?

since my last trip there,I remember i used to walk across the street
from the Russell and there was an office there where you could book
tourist trips,Frames Rickards i believe,there was a petrol station the
same side as the Russell and a family owned British style food
resteraunt

If the bus had continued a bit further South (towards the Russell) it
would have been able to turn left into Tavistock Place (where the
incident was first reported to have taken place). This leads through
to Marchmont Street, which heads North/South parallel with the diverted
route of the bus.

If you turned left again, ie heading back North towards Euston Road,
Cartwright Gardens is a crescent off Marchmont Street. There is a hall
of residence for students there at least.


I think there was a college there too.

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In message , Iain Archer
writes

Meanwhile someone at the Independent had a bright idea, resulting
in an article today by Jonathan Brown based on a journey
on the 0845 No. 30 _from_ Hackney Wick:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article297934.ece.

The BBC is today carrying a story of a survivor of the No.30 incident,
who had caught the bus after leaving the tube system at Edgware Road -
she was travelling east:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4669793.stm

So I think there can be no doubt that the No.30 was travelling to
Hackney Wick (as on its destination board), despite every source I've
seen claiming that it was coming *from* Hackney Wick.

The origin of the report of the wrong direction seems to have been a
statement from TfL. I wonder if Paul C may be able to clarify?

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In message , Paul Terry
writes

The BBC is today carrying a story of a survivor of the No.30 incident,
who had caught the bus after leaving the tube system at Edgware Road -
she was travelling east:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4669793.stm

I emailed the BBC this morning to point out that Stagecoach (the bus
operator) released a press statement on Friday saying that the No.30 was
going from Marble Arch to Hackney Wick (not from Hackney to Marble
Arch):

http://www.stagecoachgroup.com/sgc/m...05/2005-07-08/

The Beeb have now corrected the direction of the bus at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h.../tavistock.stm

(No cigar for Jonathan Brown of The Independent, though!)

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:45:13 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

So I think there can be no doubt that the No.30 was travelling to
Hackney Wick (as on its destination board), despite every source I've
seen claiming that it was coming *from* Hackney Wick.

The origin of the report of the wrong direction seems to have been a
statement from TfL. I wonder if Paul C may be able to clarify?

I cannot say for certain as I don't work for Buses. The general
consensus is that the bus was heading east bound for Hackney Wick and
was on diversion - hence why it ended up in Tavistock Square.

Just because a newspaper features someone travelling from one terminus
as opposed to the other one does not have any bearing on the underlying
"facts" of this incident. I think people will have to wait for final
official statements to be made about exactly what happened when or if
people actually reach a reliable conclusion.

Most of the press coverage has, in my opinion, shown how little is
understood about London's transport network.
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
The BBC is today carrying a story of a survivor of the No.30 incident,
who had caught the bus after leaving the tube system at Edgware Road -
she was travelling east:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4669793.stm
So I think there can be no doubt that the No.30 was travelling to
Hackney Wick (as on its destination board), despite every source I've
seen claiming that it was coming *from* Hackney Wick.
The origin of the report of the wrong direction seems to have been a
statement from TfL. I wonder if Paul C may be able to clarify?
Paul Terry

This adds weight to the possibility that the bomber got on this bus after
leaving the bomb at Edgware Road, only to be hoist by his own petard.
Baz

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In message , Paul Corfield
writes

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:45:13 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

The origin of the report of the wrong direction seems to have been a
statement from TfL. I wonder if Paul C may be able to clarify?

I cannot say for certain as I don't work for Buses. The general
consensus is that the bus was heading east bound for Hackney Wick

Thanks. I have now discovered that Stagecoach published that information
in a press release on Friday.

Just because a newspaper features someone travelling from one terminus
as opposed to the other one does not have any bearing on the underlying
"facts" of this incident.

Indeed so. However, it was a bit more than just one newspaper - every
source I looked at, be it BBC website, TV, radio or newspaper, was
repeating this same piece of incorrect information until today.

I can understand much panic and confusion on Thursday, but the article
in Saturday's Independent was very unfortunate in its series of
incorrect suppositions - had the journalist concerned applied the logic
pursued in this newsgroup on Friday (or simply looked at that day's
press statement from the bus operator) he might have realised that his
house was built on sand. I used to think better of The Independent.

Most of the press coverage has, in my opinion, shown how little is
understood about London's transport network.

On that I will certainly agree. Much of the coverage seemed to me to be
more akin to "Chinese Whispers" that any sort of journalistic rigour.

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Paul Terry
writes

The BBC is today carrying a story of a survivor of the No.30 incident,
who had caught the bus after leaving the tube system at Edgware Road -
she was travelling east:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4669793.stm

I emailed the BBC this morning to point out that Stagecoach (the bus
operator) released a press statement on Friday saying that the No.30 was
going from Marble Arch to Hackney Wick (not from Hackney to Marble
Arch):

http://www.stagecoachgroup.com/sgc/m...05/2005-07-08/

The Beeb have now corrected the direction of the bus at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h.../tavistock.stm

(No cigar for Jonathan Brown of The Independent, though!)

--
Paul Terry


Rather revealing about the nature of journalism though.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article . com,
Boltar writes
and he said the drivers for arriva and some other company whos name
escapes me weren't turning up for work or were simply refusing to
drive.
Bunch of pussies. If myself and loads of other were willing to risk
being
a passenger I don't see why they can't risk driving the things.

So because you're willing to take the risk of running across the road in
front of a juggernaut, or driving through a closing AHB crossing, we all
should?

There were literally hundreds of people waiting for a bus , not just
me.
I'm quite fit so I didn't have a physical issue walking home , but
there
were plenty of older people waiting and god knows how they got back.


I used to think you had the occasional sensible point to make, but you
really are a ****wit of the first order.

You're entitled to your opinion. However bear in mind you had an easy
time that day when you got a nice comfy train back to your country
retreat.

B2003

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f it took you that long to walk out of London, how long do you think it
took the next shift of bus drivers to get in to the depots to drive the
buses so you didn't have to walk?

For some perhaps they couldn't get in. But every single one of
them? No , they just decided to not work. Tho obviously this
cowardice wasn't restricted to bus drivers. My office was pretty empty
the next day as well. So much for the british stiff upper lip in the
face of adversity. What a joke. Still , london is hardly british
anymore anyway so perhaps that explains it.

B2003

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Boltar wrote in uk.railway on 13 Jul 2005 02:58:42 -0700
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f it took you that long to walk out of London, how long do you think it
took the next shift of bus drivers to get in to the depots to drive the
buses so you didn't have to walk?

For some perhaps they couldn't get in. But every single one of
them? No , they just decided to not work.

Just for the record, there were 263s (one of the routes you mentioned
before) running that afternoon, though both these and other routes in
N London were incredibly erratic and bunched.

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Just for the record, there were 263s (one of the routes you mentioned
before) running that afternoon, though both these and other routes in
N London were incredibly erratic and bunched.

I walked along the 263 route for a good hour and didn't see one. I
think you've been misinformed.

B2003