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For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

I had a meeting at the Angel (the big BT building there). Got to King's
Cross about 08:30 - all normal - and went to get a cup of coffee and sit
and work for an hour or so. At about 09:35 I got up and discovered a
large number of people were milling around the area.

One of the patrons said she'd heard there'd been an explosion at
Liverpool Street. Another said that when her train arrived at KX the
driver said he'd been told not to open the doors (no, I'm not clear how
she got out).

From the situation around the mainline station it was clear there
weren't going to be any buses coming along the Euston Road. So I started
walking up the hill towards Angel. Buses were queuing back past the fork
with Grays Inn Road (?).

About 09:45 I heard a loud bang in the distance. I thought it was
south-east (that is, towards Holborn) but I guess it was the Tavistock
Square bus. When I got to Angel and met up with others, the reports were
of a "power surge". The other attendees each had their own - confused -
stories of what had happened.

During the meeting reports dribbled in. We decided that, since all
transport was snarled up, we might as well finish our meeting and then
work out how to get home. Meeting ran until about 2pm, at which point it
was reported that WAGN were running from Finsbury Park and GNER from
Peterborough. So three of us (me, someone from Leeds, and someone from
Hull) decided to head for Finsbury Park.

14:15 - the streets around Angel look much the same as I'm used to.
There are some buses running but, typically, not going the way we want.
Somewhere along Upper Street we managed to grab a taxi. It took him
about 30 minutes, but he dropped us at Finsbury Park station. Small
crowd outside. A person with a "Customer Service Manager" or something
like that, on being asked "Peterborough", said "we've got a train
waiting for you on platform 2". But when we went to the doorway we were
told to catch the all-stops to Welwyn Garden City and change there for
an all-stops to Peterborough. The train (2x313) left at 15:30, full and
standing. Enough people got off by New Southgate that there were plenty
of seats from there on. I noticed a heavy police presence at New Barnet,
but I'm told there were policemen on the platform at every station
before then. Can't say I noticed any at Hadley Wood or any subsequent
station until St.Neots.

Arrived WGC at 16:05. There were 2x365 in the other platform, and it was
announced for Peterborough. Decided to sit in first class - I doubt
they're going to make a fuss today. Train is busy but no worse than
normal. Just as we were about to leave another 2x365 pulled into
platform 1. Presumably that will be the Cambridge service - it might
have been a chance for some rare track, but I'd rather get home, really.

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.



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Clive D. W. Feather wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 7 Jul 2005:

For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad you're okay, anyway!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.

You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

B2003

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So there was an upside then

Boltar wrote:

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.


You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive
home.

You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.


Sounds of a plaintive melody emanate from violins and waft gently as on a
summer's breeze across a London strewn with bombed out buses and trains
littered all around with dismembered corpses.

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Boltar wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 7 Jul 2005:



Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.

You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

At least you *got* home - think of those who will never go home again.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

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Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Mrs
Redboots gently breathed:
Clive D. W. Feather wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 7 Jul 2005:

For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad you're okay, anyway!

Seconded.

--
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http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk -- Pagan Gothic Rock!
http://www.littlematchgirl.co.uk -- Electronic Metal!
http://www.revival.stormshadow.com -- The Gothic Revival.

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In article ,
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Mrs
Redboots gently breathed:
Clive D. W. Feather wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 7 Jul 2005:

For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad you're okay, anyway!

Seconded.

Thirded.

--
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http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

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Boltar wrote:

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.


You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

They just don't like you I think. Bus services from Angel/Highbury
outwards were doing an amazing job.

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Boltar wrote:

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive home.


You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

B2003


Are you for real???

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Steve M wrote:
Boltar wrote:
Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Arrived Huntingdon 16:55 after an eventless run. Get to car, drive
home.
You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the
entire
way
home thanks to the bus drivers seeming to think that the zone 1 ban
extended as
far as finchley. Cheers guys, what heroes you are. Hope you had a nice
time
sitting at home watching the news while myself and 10s of thousands of
others
had to walk the entire way home. Still , at least now I know I can do
the 8 miles
back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours. B2003


Are you for real???

Oh yes, I think we can all vouch for that...
--
Kat

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The company my sister works for put a bar on all emails and phonecalls
to non company and customer addresses. "The extra traffic is harming
our business effectiveness"???!!! As you can guess this caused a lot of
panic until with the mobile networks overloaded until the phone bar was
lifted.

The company is French by the way


Neill

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad to hear you're okay, Clive.

It was a strange feeling for me as I was working at home as the news
gradually filtered in. Like many of us, I went through the "I could
have been there" scenario and you think a bout a lot of people you know
(or know of) at times like this.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:20:37 +0100 someone who may be Ian Jelf
wrote this:-

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad to hear you're okay, Clive.

Yes. Some of us do care.

Like many of us, I went through the "I could
have been there" scenario

I think it is the familiar locations that make this line of thinking
even more prevalent.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

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In message , David Hansen
writes
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:20:37 +0100 someone who may be Ian Jelf
wrote this:-

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad to hear you're okay, Clive.

Yes. Some of us do care.

Like many of us, I went through the "I could
have been there" scenario

I think it is the familiar locations that make this line of thinking
even more prevalent.

Indeed, although I tend to find myself in a lot of pretty iconic places
a lot of the time, if you see what I mean.

Because my "colleagues" are people I only see occasionally and who
aren't in one place at one time, I'm still dreading hearing bad news
about someone I know but can't easily "check on".
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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"Neillw001" wrote in message
oups.com...
The company my sister works for put a bar on all emails and phonecalls
to non company and customer addresses. "The extra traffic is harming
our business effectiveness"???!!! As you can guess this caused a lot of
panic until with the mobile networks overloaded until the phone bar was
lifted.

The company is French by the way

For a short time yesterday, at the request of the emergency services, all
networks had a shutdown on personal mobile calls. This is part of the
standard emergency reaction planning and nothing to do with the nationality
of the company owners, more with the physical location of the networks
concerned.
It was a case of follow the ticklist in the manual and later on review the
need for every measure taken.

Nick

Me in London today
 

I did find that Texts were working though.

Nick Medley wrote:
"Neillw001" wrote in message
oups.com...

The company my sister works for put a bar on all emails and phonecalls
to non company and customer addresses. "The extra traffic is harming
our business effectiveness"???!!! As you can guess this caused a lot of
panic until with the mobile networks overloaded until the phone bar was
lifted.

The company is French by the way


For a short time yesterday, at the request of the emergency services, all
networks had a shutdown on personal mobile calls. This is part of the
standard emergency reaction planning and nothing to do with the nationality
of the company owners, more with the physical location of the networks
concerned.
It was a case of follow the ticklist in the manual and later on review the
need for every measure taken.

Nick

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General Von Clinkerhoffen typed


I did find that Texts were working though.

You were lucky. I failed four times to text my partner. I had a major
struggle to return from a pre-arranged hospital appointment.

I accept networks get jammed/closed with high-priority work.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

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Are you for real???

Yes funnily enough. How exactly would unwell or infirm have managed to
walk miles and
miles home? Or would you just expect them to sleep on the streets? My
mother visits
london fairly often can can hardly climb into a bus never mind walk 10
miles. Thank god
she wasn't in central london , not only because of the blasts but
because those spineless
arseholes refusing to drive their buses would have meant she'd have
probably had a stroke
trying to get home. So **** you!

B2003

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So there were no buses in Inner London because their drivers were
"spineless"? For goodness' sake, a bomb had exploded on one earlier,

Read what I wrote. I'm not talking about central london , the police
had
asked the buses to stop there, i know that. But in north london most of
the
buses also seemed have completely stopped. There was no 134 or 263 and
they
go well out into zones 3 & 4. I spoke to some "official" (read kid in
uniform)
and he said the drivers for arriva and some other company whos name
escapes me weren't turning up for work or were simply refusing to
drive.
Bunch of pussies. If myself and loads of other were willing to risk
being
a passenger I don't see why they can't risk driving the things.

drivers were ordered not to drive there and given the traffic situation,

The traffic was no worse than normal in the burbs as far as I could
see.

B2003

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Ian Jelf wrote:

Or am I just feeding a troll?

No, just a ****.

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:20:37 +0100, Ian Jelf wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:
In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad to hear you're okay, Clive.

AOL to that.


By the way, Ian, in the other sub-thread the answer to your question
is "Yes, you are feeding one".
--
Ross, a.k.a.
Prof. E. Scrooge, CT, 153 & bar, Doctor of Cynicism (U. Life)
Hon. Pres., National Soc. for the Encouragement for Cruelty to Dogboxes

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, David Hansen wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:20:37 +0100 someone who may be Ian Jelf
wrote this:-

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes

For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Glad to hear you're okay, Clive.

Yes. Some of us do care.

Like many of us, I went through the "I could have been there" scenario

I think it is the familiar locations that make this line of thinking
even more prevalent.

That's just it. It's particularly chilling in my case - my route to work
is the Piccadilly line southbound to Russell Square. I usually cycle, but
i was thinking of taking the train that day; the weather wasn't great, and
i had a talk to give at work.

I do take comfort from two facts: firstly, the exits at Russell Square are
right at the southern end of the platform, so i always get on in the first
carriage, to save on walking, so i would have been a good distance from
the bomb; secondly, it's unlikely that i'd have been out of bed by 0850,
let alone on a tube train!

tom

--
Baby got a masterplan. A foolproof masterplan.

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General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 8 Jul
2005:

I did find that Texts were working though.

As did I - my phone never seemed to stop getting them! Also our
landline was working all too well.....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

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Mrs Redboots schrieb/wrote uns/us:

back to my flat from central london on foot in 3.5 hours.

At least you *got* home - think of those who will never go home again.

I think, Boltar hat 3.5h to think about. I would personally have no
problem standing against terrorism for 2h in the rain trying to keep a
candle lit. But being forced to walk 8miles through a city when I am
tired and want to go home, is a bit unfair an as far as I can see
unnessesary.

Was at least the individual motoriced traffic stopped to make walking
easier?

Gruß, Mathias Bölckow

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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:57:37 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

For those who care, here's what happened to me today.

Goot hear you're ok.

About 09:45 I heard a loud bang in the distance. I thought it was
south-east (that is, towards Holborn) but I guess it was the Tavistock
Square bus. When I got to Angel and met up with others, the reports were
of a "power surge". The other attendees each had their own - confused -
stories of what had happened.

I witnessed the bus explosion - I must have been standing approx 50
metres away, shuffling in the general drection of other commuters
trying to work out why central London tube stations were shut down
(most of us were assuming it was simply TfL delays or signalling
problems, although there was a rumour of a suspect package and of
course power surges). I was thus stranded in the Euston Rd. area until
about 13:00 until I met with a family member and went to his office
until St Pancras was re-opened.

All in all it wasn't one of my better commuting experiences...

Richard

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Richard,

you said you witnessed it,All we have here in America is what we see on
TV
Now I am an American who has been to London 11 times. I usually stay at
the Russell Hotel which is on Woburn.Would it be correct to assume that
if i was Walking out of the Russell hotel and looked to my right
towards Euston that the bus was about one quarter of a block down the
street from the hotel?
Was it travelling towards Euston or towards Russell Square?

thanks

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Unlimited Eddie wrote:
Richard,

you said you witnessed it,All we have here in America is what we see on
TV
Now I am an American who has been to London 11 times. I usually stay at
the Russell Hotel which is on Woburn.Would it be correct to assume that
if i was Walking out of the Russell hotel and looked to my right
towards Euston that the bus was about one quarter of a block down the
street from the hotel?
Was it travelling towards Euston or towards Russell Square?

thanks


It was about two and a half blocks north of the Hotel Russell (or less
blocks on the other side of the road), ie about three fifths of the way
from Hotel Russell to Euston Road.

It must have been heading south from Euston and was directly outside
the window of the office I used to work in in the BMA building (rented
out to various).

Since the route 30 doesn't go there, I can only assume that it had been
diverted following the earlier incident at Kings Cross. This hasn't
been explained in any reports that I have seen.

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In article .com, MIG
wrote:

Unlimited Eddie wrote:
... Would it be correct to assume that
... the bus was about one quarter of a block down the
street from the hotel?
Was it travelling towards Euston or towards Russell Square?

It was about two and a half blocks north of the Hotel Russell (or less
blocks on the other side of the road), ie about three fifths of the way
from Hotel Russell to Euston Road.

It must have been heading south from Euston and was directly outside
the window of the office I used to work in in the BMA building (rented
out to various).

Since the route 30 doesn't go there, I can only assume that it had been
diverted following the earlier incident at Kings Cross. This hasn't
been explained in any reports that I have seen.

It's explained in detail with maps by the BBC on their "In Depth" and
"In Detail" pages; the bus event is described at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h.../html/tavistoc
k.stm. The "In Depth" stuff starts at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...ions/default.s
tm, linked from the front page at http://news.bbc.co.uk/.

Sam

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It's explained in detail with maps by the BBC on their "In Depth" and
"In Detail" pages; the bus event is described at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h.../html/tavistoc
k.stm. The "In Depth" stuff starts at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...ions/default.s
tm, linked from the front page at http://news.bbc.co.uk/.

Sam


Ah. Tar. Didn't see that before.

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From which I realise that it had been diverted away from Edgware Road
rather than away from Kings Cross.

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In message , Sam Wilson
writes

In article .com, MIG
wrote:

Since the route 30 doesn't go there, I can only assume that it had been
diverted following the earlier incident at Kings Cross. This hasn't
been explained in any reports that I have seen.

It's explained in detail with maps by the BBC on their "In Depth" and
"In Detail" pages; the bus event is described at

As discussed in another thread, that is probably wrong - the police were
diverting all EASTBOUND traffic on the Euston Road down through
Tavistock Square, so it is much more likely that the bus was bound for
Hackney, not Marble March.

--
Paul Terry

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In message .com,
Unlimited Eddie writes

Now I am an American who has been to London 11 times. I usually stay at
the Russell Hotel which is on Woburn.Would it be correct to assume that
if i was Walking out of the Russell hotel and looked to my right
towards Euston that the bus was about one quarter of a block down the
street from the hotel?

As others have said, it was more like two and half blocks. However, you
would undoubtedly have been in the thick of things (albeit safe) since
passengers from the Piccadilly line explosion were being evacuated from
the tube station just at the back of the hotel.

Was it travelling towards Euston or towards Russell Square?

It was not on its usual route, but it was heading towards Russell
Square.

--
Paul Terry

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On 7 Jul 2005 11:20:17 -0700, "Boltar" said:

You were quite lucky. I was one of the many who had to walk the entire
way home thanks to the bus drivers

You mean you didn't drive to work, you public-transport-hating
hypocrite?

And as for taking 3.5 hours to walk 8 miles - my granny can do better
than that. Weakling.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

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On 8 Jul 2005 03:45:38 -0700, "Boltar" said:

How exactly would unwell or infirm have managed to walk miles and
miles home? Or would you just expect them to sleep on the streets? My
mother visits london fairly often can can hardly climb into a bus
never mind walk 10 miles.

I hear London has this incredible new invention called the "taxi cab".

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Sam Wilson
writes

In article .com, MIG
wrote:

Since the route 30 doesn't go there, I can only assume that it had been
diverted following the earlier incident at Kings Cross. This hasn't
been explained in any reports that I have seen.

It's explained in detail with maps by the BBC on their "In Depth" and
"In Detail" pages; the bus event is described at

As discussed in another thread, that is probably wrong - the police were
diverting all EASTBOUND traffic on the Euston Road down through
Tavistock Square, so it is much more likely that the bus was bound for
Hackney, not Marble March.

It was. The footage on the BBC tonight showed Hackney Wick on the
destination board of the bus.

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:46:23 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

As discussed in another thread, that is probably wrong - the police were
diverting all EASTBOUND traffic on the Euston Road down through
Tavistock Square, so it is much more likely that the bus was bound for
Hackney, not Marble March.

The pictures in today's newspapers suggest that the destination blind
was set to Hackney.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

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David Cantrell schrieb/wrote uns/us:

And as for taking 3.5 hours to walk 8 miles - my granny can do better
than that.

Maybe her sight is too dim to recognize the red light? My grandfather
used to say, "the young people have much better eyes" when he crossed
a 4-lane road hardly watching the traffic.

Gruß, Mathias Bölckow

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Boltar wrote:
So there were no buses in Inner London because their drivers were
"spineless"? For goodness' sake, a bomb had exploded on one earlier,

Read what I wrote. I'm not talking about central london , the police
had
asked the buses to stop there, i know that. But in north london most of
the
buses also seemed have completely stopped. There was no 134 or 263 and
they
go well out into zones 3 & 4. I spoke to some "official" (read kid in
uniform)
and he said the drivers for arriva and some other company whos name
escapes me weren't turning up for work or were simply refusing to
drive.
Bunch of pussies. If myself and loads of other were willing to risk
being
a passenger I don't see why they can't risk driving the things.

Boltar, the buses were stopped because the cause of the explosion was not known and the vehicles required searching. The drivers you call spineless, (apart from the buses that were transporting large numbers to hospital) were called back to depots on the orders of the police as part of the L.E.P in case of larger follow up incidents when evacuation of residents may become necessary.
The initial incidents were still occurring when the first phase of
L.E.P. was actually put into operation. Various stations outside London
were staffed up and prepared to accept large numbers of people, trains
were held ready to travel in as ECS and bring people out.
For my part I was working at Reading searching trains initially, with
police assistance, then dealing with large numbers of passengers trying
to get to places as far apart as Cambridge and Brussels and now unable
to do so. Many had holidays ruined, there were dozens of elderly and
infirm travellers, I met three who were caught in the explosions, and
indeed two of our drivers and one driver manager were at work depite
their involvement at Tavistock Square and Edgeware Road.
This entire mass of humanity descended on Reading and looked to us for
help,often bewildered and confused, definitely tired and footsore in
many cases. Some had witnessed the most awful sights and with all the
travel chaos and the long diversionary routes being taken, not one, not
a single one complained, whinged or whined at what they were
experiencing. The most common phrase heard was thank you. Virgin trains
packed out to the North and South had passengers giving up seats for
those less able to stand, and I had many people say how full of
admiration they were for the efforts of staff on trains and stations.
It just shows that whether it is Madrid, New York or London, events
such as this do bring out the best in people. But as Boltar's post
proves.....there is always one!

Me in London today
 

In article . com,
Boltar writes
and he said the drivers for arriva and some other company whos name
escapes me weren't turning up for work or were simply refusing to
drive.
Bunch of pussies. If myself and loads of other were willing to risk
being
a passenger I don't see why they can't risk driving the things.

So because you're willing to take the risk of running across the road in
front of a juggernaut, or driving through a closing AHB crossing, we all
should?

I used to think you had the occasional sensible point to make, but you
really are a ****wit of the first order.

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