In message , at 10:28:25 on Tue, 12 Jul
2005, Ed Lake remarked:
He probably had the bomb in his hand when he boarded, dropping it in a
parcel bin next to the door and leaving again.

The trains don't have any such bins, or indeed anything like them.

In any event, you'd be waiting on the platform (stood behind people who
had been waiting longer than you) as a train arrived, so there'd be
plenty of time if the bomber really was taking individual bombs out of a
larger bag, as you are theorising.
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Neillw001 wrote:
BBC are reporting the police as saying they believe the bomber dies on
the bus.

Well that would explain the witness story about an "agitated" young
man.
He knew he screwed up. If it's true, I don't get is why he didn't just
ditch the bombs and leave the bus.


However they are not saying whether they think it was a
suicide attack. If the theory on this thread is true then the problem
of further attacks from the same source is over. Personally I don't
suscribe to that theory myself at the moment though. The police have
also carried out a controlled explosion on a car in Luton. The could
prove significant as it means the bomber(s) could have arrived at KX
and fanned out from there.


Now to my thinking these controlled explosions are a bit foolish... why
destroy potential evidence?


Neill


There was a report (in The Sun ) from one of the people involved in the bus
bombing. She was sat just behind the driver on the bus and said the driver
wouldn't open the doors to let anybody off before the bomb went off

Nicola

wrote:
Neillw001 wrote:
BBC are reporting the police as saying they believe the bomber dies on
the bus.

Well that would explain the witness story about an "agitated" young
man.
He knew he screwed up. If it's true, I don't get is why he didn't just
ditch the bombs and leave the bus.

Yes, but the "agitated" man described was standing up which implies the
lower deck of the bus (no standing upstairs), when we know the bomb was
on the top deck, so I doubt that eye-witness account anyway. I suspect
it was an "own goal", he was sat at the back of the top deck (the most
ineffective spot on the bus for an explosion) and it went off
accidentally. I think it was a single bomber - he went to King's Cross,
placed bombs on the westbound and eastbound Circle line trains without
travelling on them, went to the Picadilly line and also placed one on
there without travelling on it. The Piccadilly one was cutting it close
to the synchronised time and he didn't have time to plant the remaining
bomb as originally planned. Instead he made his way out of King's
Cross, got a bus to get out of the area, probably to a mainline railway
station to get to his car parked out of the city centre. He was
agitated/frustrated/worried about the remaining bomb he failed to plant
and whilst fiddling with it or attemting to disarm/reset the timer set
it off. If it was a suicide bomb then he would have done it in a more
effective place than hidden at the back of the upper deck (where as
kids we used to go if we wanted to remain un-noticed).



However they are not saying whether they think it was a
suicide attack. If the theory on this thread is true then the problem
of further attacks from the same source is over. Personally I don't
suscribe to that theory myself at the moment though. The police have
also carried out a controlled explosion on a car in Luton. The could
prove significant as it means the bomber(s) could have arrived at KX
and fanned out from there.


Now to my thinking these controlled explosions are a bit foolish... why
destroy potential evidence?


Neill

dr_karlb wrote:
wrote:
Neillw001 wrote:
BBC are reporting the police as saying they believe the bomber dies on
the bus.

Well that would explain the witness story about an "agitated" young
man.
He knew he screwed up. If it's true, I don't get is why he didn't just
ditch the bombs and leave the bus.

Yes, but the "agitated" man described was standing up which implies the
lower deck of the bus (no standing upstairs), when we know the bomb was
on the top deck, so I doubt that eye-witness account anyway. I suspect
it was an "own goal", he was sat at the back of the top deck (the most
ineffective spot on the bus for an explosion) and it went off
accidentally. I think it was a single bomber - he went to King's Cross,
placed bombs on the westbound and eastbound Circle line trains without
travelling on them, went to the Picadilly line and also placed one on
there without travelling on it. The Piccadilly one was cutting it close
to the synchronised time and he didn't have time to plant the remaining
bomb as originally planned. Instead he made his way out of King's
Cross, got a bus to get out of the area, probably to a mainline railway
station to get to his car parked out of the city centre. He was
agitated/frustrated/worried about the remaining bomb he failed to plant
and whilst fiddling with it or attemting to disarm/reset the timer set
it off. If it was a suicide bomb then he would have done it in a more
effective place than hidden at the back of the upper deck (where as
kids we used to go if we wanted to remain un-noticed).


Police now believe there were four bombers, and that they all died.

See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676225.stm

In message m, Roland
Perry writes

In message , at 10:23:50 on Tue, 12 Jul
2005, Ed Lake remarked:

It appears he put the final bomb on a bus going TO King's Cross.

How does this appear? The reports I've seen all say it was headed away
from Euston/Kings Cross area.

As I posted to this newsgroup yesterday:

http://www.stagecoachgroup.com/sgc/m...05/2005-07-08/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h.../tavistock.stm

--
Paul Terry

On 12 Jul 2005 07:17:25 -0700, wrote:


Apparently the 30 bus starts off at Euston and *normally* heads back to
King's Cross. He could have got out at King's Cross walked to Euston,
caught a 30 bus with the intention of setting off a fourth bomb outside
of King's Cross as people are busy streaming out of the station. The
bus was diverted however and the bomb blew up on a side street.

*Apparently* the number 30 bus actually runs from Marble Arch to Hackney
Wick. It serves Euston - it does NOT start there.

If people are going to rampantly speculate on what happened at least get
the most basic of facts right.

I do find this constant theorising somewhat irritating and ultimately
unhelpful.

Can anyone explain to me why knowing will make the slightest difference
to any future journeys on the tube given that the police have
specifically ruled out any form of luggage inspection on the tube as
utterly impractical? What are people going to do - not travel in the
first coach of a Piccadilly line train if it is going to Russell
Square??
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC), "Nicola Redwood"
wrote:

There was a report (in The Sun ) from one of the people involved in the bus
bombing. She was sat just behind the driver on the bus and said the driver
wouldn't open the doors to let anybody off before the bomb went off

There is always the emergency exit/release.

Neil

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Ed Lake wrote:
Everything I've seen says the London blasts could have been the work of
a lone terrorist.



Verify that it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be the work of one man before
looking for more than one person!

Ed
anthraxinvestigation.com


Oh well, all that speculation, and it turned out to be four bombers!

sharky wrote:
Ed Lake wrote:

Everything I've seen says the London blasts could have been the work
of a lone terrorist.



Verify that it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be the work of one man before
looking for more than one person!

Ed
anthraxinvestigation.com


Oh well, all that speculation, and it turned out to be four bombers!

Yes. Who could have guessed that four terrorists would arrive together
at King's Cross all the way from Leeds and blow themselves up almost
immediately? Everyone should be thankful that they didn't do more harm
than they did. They certainly had the capability.

The assumption with suicide bombers would be that they would be either
from London or brought in from the Middle-East - and that they'd go for
targets in the government, military or world famous places or people. A
false assumption, as it turns out.

My main concern was to make certain that the police didn't miss a UNIQUE
way to QUICKLY find a lone culprit on the surveillance tapes. But they
evidently found the four of them together, so they can track their
movements from that spot if they need to do that.

Ed

In article .com,
writes
I think the quickest scenario is plant the bombs on the Circle Line
starting when you have two trains relatively close in time on opposite
sides of the platform. You would have 8 to 10 minutes to walk to
Picadilly,

It takes far more than 10 minutes to walk to Piccadilly, and the bombs
didn't go off anywhere near there.

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