Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston to
get the tube.
I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead to alleviate the
congestion at St Pancras.

Kevin

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article .com,
() wrote:

One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston to
get the tube.
I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead to alleviate the
congestion at St Pancras.

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at Finsbury
Park.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Wouldn't realy help, it is the congestion caused by CTRL works so
walking to Warren St has no advantages over Euston.

Kevin

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Paul) wrote:

wrote:
One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston to
get the tube.

I live in the area: it's not that bad.

I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead to alleviate the
congestion at St Pancras.

Of course your colleague could take the Thameslink to West Hampstead
and then take the tube, or cross the road and walk to Warren Street, or
leave slightly later/earlier or ...

I noticed that Victoria Line passengers were being advised to walk to
Warren Street (15 minutes) rather than Euston (10 minutes), to which
Northern Line passengers are being directed. Are they doing that to spread
the load? It's a bit of a pain for Victoria Line users.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Might ease the congestion on the plaform but certainly not on the walk
to the station. I don't fancy anybodies chances of getting on at Warren
St though. I come down from Brent Cross and always prefer a Bank train
for obvious reasons. If there are no Bank trains and I have to catch a
Charring X train it is always pot luck if I can actually get on at
Warren St.
Kevin

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

And? Their answer was? Like Craig David, said Can you fill me in?

Loony T

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
() wrote:

One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston to
get the tube.
I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead to alleviate the
congestion at St Pancras.

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at Finsbury
Park.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Loony Tune) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
() wrote:

One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston
to get the tube. I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead
to alleviate the congestion at St Pancras.

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

And? Their answer was? Like Craig David, said Can you fill me in?

Loony T

I've had no reply yet. Please don't top-post by the way.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at Finsbury
Park.


Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park.
With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds Green/Wood Green
the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29 bus. The services
from/to that area aren't frequent enough at weekends and evenings

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Sorry but what is top post please and how do I not top post

Loony T

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Loony Tune) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
() wrote:

One of my collegues at work has expressed concern about the
overcrowding due to the CTRL works when having to walk up to Euston
to get the tube. I just wonder why MML can't stop at West Hampstead
to alleviate the congestion at St Pancras.

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

And? Their answer was? Like Craig David, said Can you fill me in?

Loony T

I've had no reply yet. Please don't top-post by the way.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park.
With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds Green/Wood
Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29 bus. The services
from/to that area aren't frequent enough at weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Loony Tune) wrote:

Sorry but what is top post please and how do I not top post

The sooner you learn the less offence you will cause others.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park.
With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds Green/Wood
Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29 bus. The services
from/to that area aren't frequent enough at weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

Every 30 mins to each of the Welwyn/Hertford branches (which makes it
every 15 as far as Ally Pally). Which is not much compared to the
18tph off-peak Piccadilly service.

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury
Park. With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds
Green/Wood Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29
bus. The services from/to that area aren't frequent enough at
weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

Every 30 mins to each of the Welwyn/Hertford branches (which makes it
every 15 as far as Ally Pally). Which is not much compared to the
18tph off-peak Piccadilly service.

Eh? It's every 10 minutes at Hornsey when I go there.

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

Sadly a regular occurrence.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell me or
shut up

Loony T

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Loony Tune) wrote:

Sorry but what is top post please and how do I not top post

The sooner you learn the less offence you will cause others.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:24:53 +0100, "Loony Tune"
wrote:

Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell me or
shut up

To top-post is to put your reply text above the quoted text. Don't do
it.

--
James Farrar

September's coming soon

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In message , Loony Tune
writes

Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell me or
shut up

Colin has already *shown* you - but perhaps you didn't notice.

On usenet, just as in real life, the idea is that you make your response
AFTER the previous person's comment, not befo

Comment 1

Response to 1

Comment 2

Response to 2

ADD NEXT COMMENT HERE

Typing your reply in front of the text you are commenting upon is known
as "top posting" and it makes the quotations unnecessarily difficult to
follow because the natural order of debate has been reversed.

--
Paul Terry

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Loony Tune wrote:
Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell
me or shut up


Top posting is putting your message above the previous ones. Bottom posting
is putting yours below so that someone car read them in the correct order.
It also makes it easier for people who are blind to use a device that reads
the message to them.

It's also what everyone else does on this NG.

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury
Park. With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds
Green/Wood Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29
bus. The services from/to that area aren't frequent enough at
weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

Every 30 mins to each of the Welwyn/Hertford branches (which makes it
every 15 as far as Ally Pally). Which is not much compared to the
18tph off-peak Piccadilly service.

Eh? It's every 10 minutes at Hornsey when I go there.

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

Sadly a regular occurrence.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was an
inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but understandable in
the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at Finsbury
Park

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was an
inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston Road.
Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was an
inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston Road.
Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=433

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was
an inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston
Road. Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con
tent.asp?prID=433

So how do people buy tickets?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:39 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was
an inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston
Road. Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con
tent.asp?prID=433

So how do people buy tickets?

to be completely honest Colin I don't know. I was as surprised as the
next person when the Northern Line driver at TCR said that Kings Cross
had opened for Vic Line services. We certainly had not had an internal E
Mail announcing it before I left the office. I get a sense that KX had
only been open for maybe an hour or less by the time I went through.

The first priority may well be to get lines working and people moving
with the money bit coming a slight second to having staff in a visible
and reassuring position. Certainly a number of the replacement buses or
supplementary buses on some routes are not taking fares.

I'm sure the ticket office and ticket machines will be covered pretty
soon.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park.
With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds Green/Wood
Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29 bus. The services
from/to that area aren't frequent enough at weekends and evenings


Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

During weekdays there is, until the evenings which are much less
frequent as are weekends. Last Sunday trains were every 30 minutes as
the Hertford north branch was shut. The N29 is like 2am on a Friday or
Saturday night.... as early as 10:30 on weekdays

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:


In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:


Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury
Park. With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds
Green/Wood Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29
bus. The services from/to that area aren't frequent enough at
weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

Every 30 mins to each of the Welwyn/Hertford branches (which makes it
every 15 as far as Ally Pally). Which is not much compared to the
18tph off-peak Piccadilly service.


Eh? It's every 10 minutes at Hornsey when I go there.

When I caught the train the other day from Old Street to New Southgate
(the train was bound for Welwyn GC), it stopped at Hornsey and
Harringay, but skipped Ally Pally - the service pattern isn't quite as
simple as it seems.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:24:53 +0100, "Loony Tune"
wrote:

Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell me or
shut up

To top-post is to put your reply text above the quoted text. Don't do
it

OK keep you shirt on old chap. It's the end of the world. I mean

Loony T

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Loony Tune
writes

Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell me or
shut up

Colin has already *shown* you - but perhaps you didn't notice.

On usenet, just as in real life, the idea is that you make your response
AFTER the previous person's comment, not befo

Comment 1

Response to 1

Comment 2

Response to 2

ADD NEXT COMMENT HERE

Typing your reply in front of the text you are commenting upon is known
as "top posting" and it makes the quotations unnecessarily difficult to
follow because the natural order of debate has been reversed.

--
Paul Terry

Thank-you

Loony T

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
Loony Tune wrote:
Well no-one else has commented. You is this only one. So either tell
me or shut up


Top posting is putting your message above the previous ones. Bottom
posting
is putting yours below so that someone car read them in the correct order.
It also makes it easier for people who are blind to use a device that
reads
the message to them.

It's also what everyone else does on this NG.



Thank-you too

Loony T

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

In article ,
(Stuart) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

I've asked WAGN the same question about stopping more services at
Finsbury Park.

Or even better still stop more at Alexandra Palace and Finsbury
Park. With the volume of people who normally get on at Bounds
Green/Wood Green the trans are getting pretty full, as is the 29
bus. The services from/to that area aren't frequent enough at
weekends and evenings

Eh? There's a 10 minute local service isn't there?

Every 30 mins to each of the Welwyn/Hertford branches (which makes it
every 15 as far as Ally Pally). Which is not much compared to the
18tph off-peak Piccadilly service.

Eh? It's every 10 minutes at Hornsey when I go there.

When I caught the train the other day from Old Street to New Southgate
(the train was bound for Welwyn GC), it stopped at Hornsey and
Harringay, but skipped Ally Pally - the service pattern isn't quite as
simple as it seems.

You must have caught the 17:37 or 18:07 from Old St then. They're the only
down trains that call at Haringey and Hornsey and skip Alexandra Palace.
They are followed by the 17:42 and 18:12 that skip Haringey and Hornsey
and call at Alexandra Palace. At least that's what Table 24 in front of me
says.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:39 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was
an inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston
Road. Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con
tent.asp?prID=433

So how do people buy tickets?

to be completely honest Colin I don't know. I was as surprised as the
next person when the Northern Line driver at TCR said that Kings Cross
had opened for Vic Line services. We certainly had not had an internal E
Mail announcing it before I left the office. I get a sense that KX had
only been open for maybe an hour or less by the time I went through.

The first priority may well be to get lines working and people moving
with the money bit coming a slight second to having staff in a visible
and reassuring position. Certainly a number of the replacement buses or
supplementary buses on some routes are not taking fares.

I'm sure the ticket office and ticket machines will be covered pretty
soon.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

I get the impression it was decided to open about 14:00. Was told by DOM at
around 14:20 - for a 15:30 start. Actual was about 15:45.

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

asdf writes:

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

That is bad. Surely the planned work should be postponed because of
the Pic line problems. Before he retired, my father worked for BR Civil
Engineers department. It was not unknown for planned engineering
possessions to be postponed or cancelled because of problems elsewhere
on the network.

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Graham Murray) wrote:

asdf writes:

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

That is bad. Surely the planned work should be postponed because of
the Pic line problems. Before he retired, my father worked for BR Civil
Engineers department. It was not unknown for planned engineering
possessions to be postponed or cancelled because of problems elsewhere
on the network.

Ah, but BR didn't have the sort of performance targets Network Rail have.
Common sense has gone out of the window.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

That is bad. Surely the planned work should be postponed because of
the Pic line problems. Before he retired, my father worked for BR Civil
Engineers department. It was not unknown for planned engineering
possessions to be postponed or cancelled because of problems elsewhere
on the network.

Ah, but BR didn't have the sort of performance targets Network Rail have.
Common sense has gone out of the window.

Well, the engineering works at Marylebone have been cancelled in the
light of the Gerrards Cross incident...

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

And to add to the misery, the Welwyn services are bustituted this
Sunday morning, and the Hertford services for the whole day.

That is bad. Surely the planned work should be postponed because of
the Pic line problems. Before he retired, my father worked for BR
Civil Engineers department. It was not unknown for planned
engineering possessions to be postponed or cancelled because of
problems elsewhere on the network.

Ah, but BR didn't have the sort of performance targets Network Rail
have. Common sense has gone out of the window.

Well, the engineering works at Marylebone have been cancelled in the
light of the Gerrards Cross incident...

Aren't there operational considerations over getting materials to site
there?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

Northern line to resume to call at KX as of Monday morning

Loony T

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Loony Tune) wrote:

Northern line to resume to call at KX as of Monday morning

Good news. I'm still taking my bike though.

Any news on streets being re-opened? The police guarding Bernard Street
spoke of two more weeks closure. What about Tavistock Place?

Where can one get definitive information on the road closures? Not from
TfL or Camden Council when I tried last week.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Nicola Redwood"
wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was an
inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but understandable in
the circumstances.

A word a warning: the Thameslink entrance/exit with with Victoria line
was closed at about 9:30 this (Monday) morning - most annoying to have
to treck all the way round via King's Cross proper.

--

Cheers,

Jason.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:39 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nicola Redwood) wrote:

Victoria Line trains are now stopping at Kings X again - yeah!! Was
an inconvenience changing at Warren St for Northern Line, but
understandable in the circumstances.

Problems though currently southbound due to a defective train at
Finsbury Park

No sign of this as I walked into the main line station from Euston
Road. Not that I was looking very carefully, admittedly.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...s-releases-con
tent.asp?prID=433

So how do people buy tickets?

The LUL ticket macines at ground level were open this morning (18/7 @
09:30). Shutters had been down previously despite a Met line
service...

--

Cheers,

Jason.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Congestion at Kings Cross/St Pancras
 

In article ,
(Jason) wrote:

The LUL ticket macines at ground level were open this morning (18/7 @
09:30). Shutters had been down previously despite a Met line
service...

Yes, I gathered that on Saturday. I assumed that while only the Met was
open they were using their own ticket office.

--
Colin Rosenstiel