On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:00:58 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chris Tolley remarked:
But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic
turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are
then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular
junction in Chiswick.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a
roundabout.

So that's the excuse you'd give to the court, is it?

In a court, I would, of course, tell the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:47:53 GMT, Richard Bullock wrote:

If you are caught by a cam on a DC (assuming national speed limits), it
follows that you are driving at more than 70mph.

But that (DCs being NSL) is a big assumption in today's world. Many entirely
rural dual carriageway roads with modern alignments and few junctions have
had their speed limits reduced below the NSL.

Clarification: the assumption was only so that I could put a figure
later in the sentence. It wasn't an assumption that all DC's are NSL.

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:54:23 GMT, Richard J. wrote:
Chris Tolley wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote:
While you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and
jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then
stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it
into a roundabout.

Really? I had no idea the solution was that simple.

Well, really it is you who deserve the credit for describing the
situation so comprehensively. With such a clear description, anyone can
arrive at simple solutions quickly.
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Neil Williams wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:45:35 +0100, steve
wrote:

One the penalises the selfish. Box junction blocking causes congestion.

It does. *But*, often, the box junctions are poorly-designed such
that it is easy, by a slight misjudgement, to end up being stuck in
the box inadvertently. That needs the junction to be redesigned, not
for lots of people to be fined.

I disagree. Most of the prats that go out into box junctions with their
exit blocked know exactly what they are doing and just don't give a
damn. Ditto for the ones that run red lights (and I would like to see
very much tougher penalties for that offence which endangers life).

Ideally the cameras should cover both if they are installed.

My personal view is that I am against traffic enforcement cameras, and
would rather see more police officers out enforcing the law, and using
discretion as appropriate. An increase in the level of fines would go
some way to funding this.

Box junctions help make traffic flow freely and prevent congestion.

I have lived in countries where they do not have this concept at all.
Traffic utterly ignores traffic lights at rush hour and a solid
herringbone of interlocked vehicles develops. They needed 2 or 3
policemen on every junction in the city for 2 hours morning and evening
to try and prevent complete gridlock. They spend most of their time
flailing arms uselessly in the air and blowing whistles. It is funny to
watch...

Regards,
Martin Brown

Often caused by a bad junction, usually one with 2 traffic lights close
together. The second light is red far too long, and so traffic from one
phase of the first light fills up all the available space and traffic
from the second phase can never move.

In message .com, at
04:18:50 on Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Earl Purple
remarked:
Often caused by a bad junction, usually one with 2 traffic lights close
together. The second light is red far too long, and so traffic from one
phase of the first light fills up all the available space and traffic
from the second phase can never move.

I've seen that in Central London.

A junction on a one-way street where a road joins from the left.

The road ahead fills up with traffic emerging from your left, and
there's no gap between the rear of the last car to emerge, and the box.

The traffic then sits there, stationary, all the time your light is
green.

Just as it starts to move, and leave you a gap to escape into across the
box, your light goes red.

The gap then fills up with traffic emerging from your left.

Rinse and repeat.
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Roland Perry

"Conor" wrote in message
t...

Domations to cameras are completely voluntary.

Councils will decrease the frequency with which box junctions are repainted,
once they realise that faded box junctions bring in more revenue.

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John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In article , McKev
says...

Not at every turn though Conor (for motoring) - what the **** kind of nation
are we coming to here?

One where people think it's OK to break the law and as long as it's in
a car, you're not a "proper" criminal.


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Conor

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In article , Neil Williams says...
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:45:35 +0100, steve
wrote:

One the penalises the selfish. Box junction blocking causes congestion.

It does. *But*, often, the box junctions are poorly-designed such
that it is easy, by a slight misjudgement, to end up being stuck in
the box inadvertently.

********. If in doubt, stay out.


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Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room
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In article , Sean says...

The fact that speeding *in certain locations* is one of the few laws where a
significant minority from all cross-sections of the community don't have
respect for, suggests that the law in those locations needs rethinking.

Bull****. You can extend that to a vast amount of things.


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Conor

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