Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

B2003

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

In message .com,
Boltar writes

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

Meetings today regarding Service Recovery - whatever that means.

Word on the ground is within the next 2 weeks.
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message .com,
Boltar writes

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

Meetings today regarding Service Recovery - whatever that means.

Word on the ground is within the next 2 weeks.

May be even sooner than that, mind you, then we're gonna shut it down again
for some track replacement work...
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:16:40 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
] wrote:

In message .com,
Boltar writes

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

Meetings today regarding Service Recovery - whatever that means.

Word on the ground is within the next 2 weeks.

I wonder if all the people who predicted it would "obviously" be
"months and months" will reappear to commend LU on such a speedy
recorvery...?
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In article .com,
(Boltar) wrote:

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

The Cambridge Evening News (Friday 29 July) had a photo of the inside
of a devastated 73TS Piccadilly Line car. I haven't seen any photos of
the Piccadilly Line bomb anywhere else. Anyone here know anything about
this?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article .com,
(Boltar) wrote:

Mundane question. Subject line says it all.

The Cambridge Evening News (Friday 29 July) had a photo of the inside
of a devastated 73TS Piccadilly Line car. I haven't seen any photos of
the Piccadilly Line bomb anywhere else. Anyone here know anything about
this?

Somehow - and I don't know how - ABC television managed to get hold of
pictures. Some of those have had limited coverage on the telly. I am not
aware of any other pictures being released showing the Picc Line train.
I certainly have not seen any at work for example.
--
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

The Cambridge Evening News (Friday 29 July) had a photo of the inside
of a devastated 73TS Piccadilly Line car. I haven't seen any photos of
the Piccadilly Line bomb anywhere else. Anyone here know anything about
this?

The BBC have published the photos at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4722775.stm

Not for the faint-hearted...

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

The Cambridge Evening News (Friday 29 July) had a photo of the
inside of a devastated 73TS Piccadilly Line car. I haven't seen any
photos of the Piccadilly Line bomb anywhere else. Anyone here know
about anything this?

The BBC have published the photos at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4722775.stm

Not for the faint-hearted...

The one published in the Cambridge Evening News was number 2 in that
series.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:


On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:


The Cambridge Evening News (Friday 29 July) had a photo of the
inside of a devastated 73TS Piccadilly Line car. I haven't seen any
photos of the Piccadilly Line bomb anywhere else. Anyone here know
about anything this?

The BBC have published the photos at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4722775.stm

Not for the faint-hearted...


The one published in the Cambridge Evening News was number 2 in that
series.


And I noticed that the ubiquitous TOX04 even got into pic number 4!

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In message , Steve
Dulieu writes

Word on the ground is within the next 2 weeks.

May be even sooner than that, mind you, then we're gonna shut it down again
for some track replacement work...

Aye, I gather next Thursday is pencilled in.

Just as they've got loads of us (me included!) to use up some
outstanding leave too. I'm off till the following Thursday now!
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Meetings today regarding Service Recovery - whatever that means.

Hope in those meetings they discuss reinstating some crossovers so if
god forbid something like this happens again they won't have to take
a 10 mile stretch of line out of service because they have nowhere to
reverse the trains.

B2003

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And TOX05 has appeared despite his conviction in 2004.

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

Wonder if the damage to adjacent cars would have been reduced had
windows not been cut into ends on refurb?

Would the absence of these have 'saved' other cars, made it worse for
those in the detonation car, or just been of no consequence?

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

Paul Corfield wrote:
snip
Somehow - and I don't know how - ABC television managed to get hold of
pictures.
snip

It would appear that they've been leaked from one of the many American
investigation/intelligence agencies, after they were circulated by the
Met Police for the purposes of assisting the investigation. The Met is
reportedly very unhappy about this happening, in part for fear of
prejudicing any future trial that may take place.

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On 30 Jul 2005 10:35:07 -0700, wrote:

Wonder if the damage to adjacent cars would have been reduced had
windows not been cut into ends on refurb?

Would the absence of these have 'saved' other cars, made it worse for
those in the detonation car, or just been of no consequence?

Probably more serious injuries/more fatalities in the car where the
bomb was, at the (negative) expense of less/no injuries to those in
the next. It would be a bit of fine-line trade-off, but the situatioon
as it happened was probably "better," as more of the blast dissipated
into the tunnel.
--
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On 30 Jul 2005 13:28:48 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
snip
Somehow - and I don't know how - ABC television managed to get hold of
pictures.
snip

It would appear that they've been leaked from one of the many American
investigation/intelligence agencies, after they were circulated by the
Met Police for the purposes of assisting the investigation. The Met is
reportedly very unhappy about this happening, in part for fear of
prejudicing any future trial that may take place.

I thought it had to be something along those lines. The release of
pictures had (IMO) been very controlled up to that point and had avoided
"sensationalism" for rather obvious reasons.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:31:02 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

I thought it had to be something along those lines. The release of
pictures had (IMO) been very controlled up to that point and had avoided
"sensationalism" for rather obvious reasons.

While they were probably released for the wrong reasons, I'm not
convinced the pictures (or at least the ones I've seen) are
sensationalist.

They show pictures of what I'd expect the interior of a bombed-out
tube train to look like, and what I'd expect a nail bomb might look
like. IOW, pure fact.

The gutter tabloid press may use them in sensationalist reports, but
then they'll do that anyway.

Neil

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Met Police for the purposes of assisting the investigation. The Met is
reportedly very unhappy about this happening, in part for fear of
prejudicing any future trial that may take place.

Not sure how the picture of a blown up train will prejudice a trial
more
than the deaths of 54 people with their pictures and grieving loved
ones
appearing in all the papers. Besides which we had pictures of the
edgware
road train the next day after the blast.

B2003

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

Probably more serious injuries/more fatalities in the car where the
bomb was, at the (negative) expense of less/no injuries to those in
the next. It would be a bit of fine-line trade-off, but the situatioon
as it happened was probably "better," as more of the blast dissipated
into the tunnel.

I've always thought theres a bit too much glass in tube trains these
days
what with windows between cars and large glass draft protectors next
to the doors. Bombs notwithstanding, this much glass is dangerous even
in a "normal" accident, it wouldn't take much for a train to stop
really
suddenly and someones head to go through some of this glass with
nasty consequences.

B2003

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On 31 Jul 2005 02:19:12 -0700, "Boltar"
wrote:

Probably more serious injuries/more fatalities in the car where the
bomb was, at the (negative) expense of less/no injuries to those in
the next. It would be a bit of fine-line trade-off, but the situatioon
as it happened was probably "better," as more of the blast dissipated
into the tunnel.

I've always thought theres a bit too much glass in tube trains these
days
what with windows between cars and large glass draft protectors next
to the doors. Bombs notwithstanding, this much glass is dangerous even
in a "normal" accident, it wouldn't take much for a train to stop
really
suddenly and someones head to go through some of this glass with
nasty consequences.

Hitting the sort of glass in car windscreens that shatters, as opposed
to hitting a solid wall and fracturing your skull, you mean?

--
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In message . com, at
13:28:48 on Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Mizter T remarked:
Somehow - and I don't know how - ABC television managed to get hold of
pictures.

It would appear that they've been leaked from one of the many American
investigation/intelligence agencies, after they were circulated by the
Met Police for the purposes of assisting the investigation. The Met is
reportedly very unhappy about this happening, in part for fear of
prejudicing any future trial that may take place.

The Americans seem more relaxed about such things. I remember the end of
the Washington Sniper case, where the local sheriff went on national TV
saying "We've just caught the guy who did it".
--
Roland Perry

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:43:17 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Hitting the sort of glass in car windscreens that shatters, as opposed
to hitting a solid wall and fracturing your skull, you mean?

It isn't generally that kind of glass - it's more usually strengthened
to result in it *not* breaking if someone hits it. This is usually a
benefit in most train accidents, as people are safer inside the
vehicle than thrown out of, and often then under, it.

Recall the demonstration on Watchdog about someone attempting to put
through a domestic double-glazed window using various pieces of heavy
furniture, and failing miserably? This resulted in it becoming a
legal requirement to have at least one "escape window" upstairs in a
house with an opening sufficient to climb through, as it is quite
simply that difficult to break it.

In a bomb situation, metal is as likely to disintegrate as this kind
of reinforced glass, and shards of flying metal are probably almost as
dangerous as glass.

Neil

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message . com,
at 13:28:48 on Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Mizter T
remarked:
Somehow - and I don't know how - ABC television managed to get
hold of pictures.

It would appear that they've been leaked from one of the many
American investigation/intelligence agencies, after they were
circulated by the Met Police for the purposes of assisting the
investigation. The Met is reportedly very unhappy about this
happening, in part for fear of prejudicing any future trial that
may take place.

The Americans seem more relaxed about such things. I remember the
end of the Washington Sniper case, where the local sheriff went on
national TV saying "We've just caught the guy who did it".

Not very different from Friday's Evening Standard headline "Bombers
arrested".
--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Hitting the sort of glass in car windscreens that shatters, as opposed
to hitting a solid wall and fracturing your skull, you mean?

I would suspect a fractured skull is preferable to shards of glass
embedded in your eyes and carotid artery.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
Hitting the sort of glass in car windscreens that shatters, as opposed
to hitting a solid wall and fracturing your skull, you mean?


I would suspect a fractured skull is preferable to shards of glass
embedded in your eyes and carotid artery.

Good job that kind of glass doesn't break into shards then, isn't it?

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Are we still looking at a Thursday resumption of service??

Anyone have an ETA on the picc re-opening south of arnos grove?
 

In message .com,
Hobbayne writes

Are we still looking at a Thursday resumption of service??

I've heard nothing to the contrary.

Mind you, I've been off work on leave since last Friday so that
information is worth what you paid for it ;-)
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message .com,
Hobbayne writes

Are we still looking at a Thursday resumption of service??

I've heard nothing to the contrary.

Mind you, I've been off work on leave since last Friday so that
information is worth what you paid for it ;-)

I'm going to be involved in shifting 14 empty trains from NFD to CFD
tomorrow morning (Wednesday) with the plan being that some sort of through
service will be running on Thursday. As I understand it, we will be running
through on a special (read "make it up as we go along") timetable on
Thursday and Friday, then no service between Acton Town and Hyde Park Corner
on Saturday and Sunday due to track replacement work, followed by a full
resumption to TT40 on Monday. All the usual caveats apply, the good lord
willin' an' the creek don't rise...
--
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Good job that kind of glass doesn't break into shards then, isn't it?

Neither do car windscreens , but people still look pretty damn messy
when they've gone through one.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
Good job that kind of glass doesn't break into shards then, isn't it?


Neither do car windscreens , but people still look pretty damn messy
when they've gone through one.

Ah, you've changed the point you were making. How unlike you.

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Ah, you've changed the point you were making. How unlike you.

You should try learning to read better. Going through glass is a life
threatening situation whether the glass shetters into little bits or
not.
Far better to hit something solid which doesn't break.

B2003

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On 4 Aug 2005 02:02:42 -0700, "Boltar" wrote:

You should try learning to read better. Going through glass is a life
threatening situation whether the glass shetters into little bits or
not.

If it's of the type used in some car applications, bus shelters and
the like that breaks down into small, pea-sized, non-sharp bits, that
statement may not be valid.

It is also likely that said glass in rail vehicles is strengthened to
the point where one can hit it very hard without it breaking.
Remember my post about the difficulty in breaking domestic double
glazed windows?

Far better to hit something solid which doesn't break.

Not necessarily. And the glass may not break, anyhow.

There is also the issue of the personal security benefits brought on
by having a good line of sight through the train. This may well
outweigh the tiny risk of the glass breaking in the very rare event of
a crash.

Neil

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