David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:32:16 +0100 someone who may be
"Steve Moore" wrote this:-

The alleged 'right of way' of pedestrians is, in the real
world, an irrelevance; cars are big and hard, pedestrians
are small and squashy...

Ah, might is right. Not a good way to run a society.

Far better to run it with rules, such as Rule 146 of the
Highway
Code:

Take extra care at junctions.

You should watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists and
pedestrians
as they are not always easy to see
watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you
are
turning. If they have started to cross they have priority,
so give way

It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have not
read
this rule when it suits them.

I've pointed this out to car drivers, and get reactions such as "there's no
sign".

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:05:26 +0100 David Hansen wrote:
} On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:32:16 +0100 someone who may be "Steve Moore"
} wrote this:-
}
} You should watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians
} as they are not always easy to see
} watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are
} turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
}
} It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have not read
} this rule when it suits them.

As far as I can see the "started to cross" is imaterial.

A pedestrian going down the road isn't changing direction, a vehicle
turning into another road is changing direection and so should give way
to the pedestrian at any point.

Of course that's theory, not practical advice for many situations.

It was very disheartening seeing how difficult some people found it to
grasp the concept of direction change. That going around a bend isn't a
change of "direction" as you're still going ahead in terms of the road.

It's significant for priorities and giving way because junctions can be
marked in ways that make "ahead" rather different than would appear
naturally.

Matthew
--
Il est important d'être un homme ou une femme en colère; le jour où nous
quitte la colère, ou le désir, c'est cuit. - Barbara

http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:36:29 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have not
read
this rule when it suits them.

I've pointed this out to car drivers, and get reactions such as "there's no
sign".


That baffles me. Sounds more like "oh I've been caught. If I shout
back I may not look such an arze".

I remeber up the local main road a could of chineese students crossing
the road when a right lardy bloke in a big rover pulled into the road
and started paping on his horn and shouting as they were in the way.
As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take that moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.
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Bagpuss wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:36:29 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have
not
read
this rule when it suits them.

I've pointed this out to car drivers, and get reactions
such as "there's no sign".


That baffles me. Sounds more like "oh I've been caught. If
I shout
back I may not look such an arze".

I remeber up the local main road a could of chineese
students crossing
the road when a right lardy bloke in a big rover pulled
into the road
and started paping on his horn and shouting as they were in
the way.
As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take that
moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.

You didn't? How naughty, tut, tut. (tee hee).

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

Bagpuss wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:36:29 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have
not
read
this rule when it suits them.

I've pointed this out to car drivers, and get reactions
such as "there's no sign".


That baffles me. Sounds more like "oh I've been caught. If
I shout
back I may not look such an arze".

I remeber up the local main road a could of chineese
students crossing
the road when a right lardy bloke in a big rover pulled
into the road
and started paping on his horn and shouting as they were in
the way.
As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take that
moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.

You didn't? How naughty, tut, tut. (tee hee).

I though he was going to have a coronary, oh he was a shaven headed
fat c'nt too. Personally I can't stand arrogant jerks on the road, to
many people get far too streesed.

If I'm going to town I usually use the bus although its a bit rough
with the being thrown around in it or use the m/cycle if I am in a
hurry. It does make me laugh watching peole get more and more p!ssed
off with each other becuae they are stuck in queues.

It was fine round here going back 10 years as well. Where I used to
live there was about 5-10 cars on the road, now every house has near
enough 1 or 2 cars and the road is down to car width + about 1 meter.
But then the bus service is now but then a return trip to town was
about 40p now its near £2.50.
--
This post does not reflect the opinions of all saggy cloth
cats be they a bit loose at the seams or not
GSX600F - Matilda the (now) two eared teapot, complete with
white gaffer tape, though no rectal chainsaw

Bagpuss wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

Bagpuss wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:36:29 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

It's amazing the number of people who pretend they have
not
read
this rule when it suits them.

I've pointed this out to car drivers, and get reactions
such as "there's no sign".


That baffles me. Sounds more like "oh I've been caught. If
I shout
back I may not look such an arze".

I remeber up the local main road a could of chineese
students crossing
the road when a right lardy bloke in a big rover pulled
into the road
and started paping on his horn and shouting as they were
in
the way.
As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take
that moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.

You didn't? How naughty, tut, tut. (tee hee).

I though he was going to have a coronary, oh he was a
shaven headed fat c'nt too. Personally I can't stand
arrogant jerks on the road, to many people get far too
streesed.

If I'm going to town I usually use the bus although its a
bit rough with the being thrown around in it or use the
m/cycle if I am in a hurry. It does make me laugh watching
peole get more and more p!ssed off with each other becuae
they are stuck in queues.

I was visiting someone in London one day and made some comment about the
traffic congestion (this was long before Congestion Charging or even the
position of Mayor was thought of). The person I was tallking to agreed that
it was bad. When I suggested that if one was to say to all those people
stuck in traffic jams that "They could make a useful contribution by not
using their car" they would probably consider you to be mad. The expression
on the other persons face was a picture, the penny had suddenly dropped.

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:01:19 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

If I'm going to town I usually use the bus although its a
bit rough with the being thrown around in it or use the
m/cycle if I am in a hurry. It does make me laugh watching
peole get more and more p!ssed off with each other becuae
they are stuck in queues.

I was visiting someone in London one day and made some comment about the
traffic congestion (this was long before Congestion Charging or even the
position of Mayor was thought of). The person I was tallking to agreed that
it was bad. When I suggested that if one was to say to all those people
stuck in traffic jams that "They could make a useful contribution by not
using their car" they would probably consider you to be mad. The expression
on the other persons face was a picture, the penny had suddenly dropped.

Exactly. The congestion does need to come down. I think in London its
not too bad a thing having the CC, but they have the advantage of a
quite good PT capacity compared to other areas.

Round here the council decided that the best way to reduce traffic
round the city center was to constrict ring road to reduce the number
of lanes. It was a disaster the result was that buses are now stuck in
congestion and have to take paths that are not part of their route and
occasionally skip stops. The council even started re-arranging the
hunctions to improve traffic flow. The problem is that the ring road
is the main way of getting across from one side of town to another.
Rather than narrow it, they sould have improved it to alow flow from
one side of the city to another. It looks like this is what they are
trying to do. Unfortunatly the bus service is only good if you want to
go where the buses run and its very expensive. If you are going as a
family is considerably cheaper [1] to go by car and pay the parking
fees, which is wrong. It should be cheaper to encourage use.

[1] It would cost us about 40p in fuel (say at usual company milage
rates about 2 quid to 2.50 in total) or by bus about 7 quid, which is
only marginally less than a taxi both ways.
--
This post does not reflect the opinions of all saggy cloth
cats be they a bit loose at the seams or not
GSX600F - Matilda the (now) two eared teapot, complete with
white gaffer tape, though no rectal chainsaw

Bagpuss wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

Bagpuss wrote:

As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take that
moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.

You didn't? How naughty, tut, tut. (tee hee).

I though he was going to have a coronary, oh he was a shaven headed
fat c'nt too. Personally I can't stand arrogant jerks on the road, to
many people get far too streesed.

Yet you chose to enter the road to be an arrogant jerk.

nospam wrote:
Bagpuss wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

Bagpuss wrote:

As they carried on crossing the road I decided to take
that moment to
cross too, slowing down the fat c#nt again.

You didn't? How naughty, tut, tut. (tee hee).

I though he was going to have a coronary, oh he was a
shaven headed fat c'nt too. Personally I can't stand
arrogant jerks on the road, to many people get far too
streesed.

Yet you chose to enter the road to be an arrogant jerk.

I would suggest not. He went onto the road to get to the other side.

Round here the council decided that the best way to reduce traffic
round the city center was to constrict ring road to reduce the number
of lanes. It was a disaster the result was that buses are now stuck in
congestion and have to take paths that are not part of their route and
occasionally skip stops. The council even started re-arranging the
hunctions to improve traffic flow. The problem is that the ring road
is the main way of getting across from one side of town to another.
Rather than narrow it, they sould have improved it to alow flow from
one side of the city to another. It looks like this is what they are
trying to do. Unfortunatly the bus service is only good if you want to
go where the buses run and its very expensive. If you are going as a
family is considerably cheaper [1] to go by car and pay the parking
fees, which is wrong. It should be cheaper to encourage use.

Surely better than narrowing the road would have been to provide a
bus/taxi/cycle lane?