Route 43 murder
 

Good news, an arrest made in the route 43 murder case. Contrast how TfL
bus management have been invisible regarding this incident, in contrast
to their LUL colleagues dealing with recent events.

However, why have we not seen any CCTV footage released? Is this
another case of equipment fitted but not working, as on the 7/7
explosion on route 26?

Peter Hendy bull****ed his way out of this by saying that the cameras
couldn't have witshstood the blast, yet the images are digitally stored
on a hard drive located on a part of the bus which was undamaged. The
destruction of the cameras was irrelevant in this instance as the
footage of the bomber would have already been recorded and archived.

TfL posters tell us 9 out of 10 buses are now fitted with CCTV.
Question is, how many are actually working?

Route 43 murder
 

In message .com,
writes

Good news, an arrest made in the route 43 murder case. Contrast how TfL
bus management have been invisible regarding this incident, in contrast
to their LUL colleagues dealing with recent events.

However, why have we not seen any CCTV footage released?

Presumably because the police had enough evidence to arrest someone
without the need for assistance from the public.

Is this another case of equipment fitted but not working, as on the
7/7 explosion on route 26?

Who knows? In the UK it is usually considered better not to release
evidence before the trial and verdict (unless really necessary) since
otherwise jury members might be prejudiced by reports they see in the
media, and the defence may explain inadvertent corroborative statements
by the accused by claiming that these facts were merely observed in
press reports.

TfL posters tell us 9 out of 10 buses are now fitted with CCTV.
Question is, how many are actually working?

This remains an important question, but it is not one that is
necessarily relevant to the route 43 murder. If there is video evidence,
I would not expect it to appear before the trial.

--
Paul Terry

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why have we not seen any CCTV footage released? Is this
another case of equipment fitted but not working, as on the 7/7
explosion on route 26?

Just because footage hasn't been released to the public
doesn't mean that there wasn't good quality CCTV on the
bus circulated to police quite quickly after the incident.

Or not, obviously.


Matt Ashby

Route 43 murder
 

We'll see if it exists in time...

Just like the Aldwych bus bomb (oops cam not working).

One would hope London Buses management would issue high profile
statements to maintain passenger confidence.


Matt Ashby wrote:
why have we not seen any CCTV footage released? Is this
another case of equipment fitted but not working, as on the 7/7
explosion on route 26?

Just because footage hasn't been released to the public
doesn't mean that there wasn't good quality CCTV on the
bus circulated to police quite quickly after the incident.

Or not, obviously.


Matt Ashby

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On 5 Aug 2005 15:57:24 -0700, wrote:

We'll see if it exists in time...

Just like the Aldwych bus bomb (oops cam not working).

One would hope London Buses management would issue high profile
statements to maintain passenger confidence.


Issue statements to maintain confidence? How does that work exactly?

Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

Route 43 murder
 

"bus travel remains statistically safe....very rare...." etc.

Commiserations to the bereaved might not be a bad idea too.



Robert Woolley wrote:
On 5 Aug 2005 15:57:24 -0700, wrote:

We'll see if it exists in time...

Just like the Aldwych bus bomb (oops cam not working).

One would hope London Buses management would issue high profile
statements to maintain passenger confidence.


Issue statements to maintain confidence? How does that work exactly?

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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Indeed...But one might be "Statistically" safer from either Terrorist or
Nutcase attack were there to be a Well Trained and Motivated Conductor on
board one`s bus.
Pressing ahead with the removal of Conductors from the remaining London TPO
routes in the run up to Christmas does not exactly appear like a commonsense
approach to addressing a percieved threat from whatever quarter.....unless
one belongs to the loonier fringes of the Accountancy profession ?

Route 43 murder
 

I suspect Peter Hendy & Co certainly belong to the "loonier fringes of
the Accountancy profession", firstly by justifying free travel for the
3rd world on bendy-bus routes, and secondly in allowing indigenous
feral low-life to swamp all services with the forthcoming free travel
for teenagers too.


Alek wrote:
Indeed...But one might be "Statistically" safer from either Terrorist or
Nutcase attack were there to be a Well Trained and Motivated Conductor on
board one`s bus.
Pressing ahead with the removal of Conductors from the remaining London TPO
routes in the run up to Christmas does not exactly appear like a commonsense
approach to addressing a percieved threat from whatever quarter.....unless
one belongs to the loonier fringes of the Accountancy profession ?

Route 43 murder
 

wrote:

I suspect Peter Hendy & Co certainly belong to the "loonier fringes of
the Accountancy profession", firstly by justifying free travel for the
3rd world on bendy-bus routes, and secondly in allowing indigenous
feral low-life to swamp all services with the forthcoming free travel
for teenagers too.

Yes, this mobile youth club nonsense has annoyed me too. A pretty blatant
attempt to create dependent client groups amongst present and future voters,
along the lines of the winter fuel allowance given to the wealthiest age
group in society - pensioners.

Chris

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On 6 Aug 2005 15:47:07 -0700, wrote:

I suspect Peter Hendy & Co certainly belong to the "loonier fringes of
the Accountancy profession", firstly by justifying free travel for the
3rd world on bendy-bus routes, and secondly in allowing indigenous
feral low-life to swamp all services with the forthcoming free travel
for teenagers too.



A) Revenue checks on artics show higher fare evaision than network
average. Well worth noting that overall fraud is well down pre-Jan
2000 due to the very simple farescale in London - most fraud before
2000 was due to overriding on cash fares.

B) Under 16s have a phtocard to claim free travel. If they misbehave
it will be withdrawn.

C) Your references to '3rd world' and 'indigenous low-life' shows
you're a ****. I do hope you don't work in London's transport
industry.


Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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"B) Under 16s have a phtocard to claim free travel. If they misbehave
it will be withdrawn."
Robert........The withdrawl of a Under 16 Photocard is not something which
the average streetwize Tagger will recognize as Punishment for
"Misbehaviour".

Whilst "Bowroad" may have offended your sensitivies with his use of
descriptive terms it is Precisely that which alerts me to his potential
background.......
Sadly a recent journey on the 159 into deepest Brixton provided me with
ample evidence to suggest that Bowroad might just be downplaying the entire
scenario !!
There really is NO alternative to a simple system wide fare structure for
ALL users backed up by strong and visible revenue and asset protection
resources.
If these young dandys get the impression that TfL dont give a toss then one
can hardly be surprised if they in turn begin to eat the furnitire....

Route 43 murder
 

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:09:39 +0100, "Alek" wrote:

"B) Under 16s have a phtocard to claim free travel. If they misbehave
it will be withdrawn."
Robert........The withdrawl of a Under 16 Photocard is not something which
the average streetwize Tagger will recognize as Punishment for
"Misbehaviour".

Whilst "Bowroad" may have offended your sensitivies with his use of
descriptive terms it is Precisely that which alerts me to his potential
background.......
Sadly a recent journey on the 159 into deepest Brixton provided me with
ample evidence to suggest that Bowroad might just be downplaying the entire
scenario !!
There really is NO alternative to a simple system wide fare structure for
ALL users backed up by strong and visible revenue and asset protection
resources.
If these young dandys get the impression that TfL dont give a toss then one
can hardly be surprised if they in turn begin to eat the furnitire....

I don't think anyone isn't claiming that effective revenue enforcement
is key to operating a safe and reliable service.

I would note that you refer to the 159 which is still a crew route.
The Routemaster fanatics claim that a conductor will stop all sort of
problems.

With respect to 'taggers' - withdrawal of the photocard is not only
the weapon in the armoury. They'd be prosecuted as they are now.
Withdrawal of the photocard is targeted at kids who misbehave on the
bus. Those comitting criminal damage are likely to feel the long arm
of the Met. Since 7/7 transport in London is very well policed....

Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:48:25 +0100, Robert Woolley
wrote:

Since 7/7 transport in London is very well policed....

Is it? In London on the past two weekends, travelling extensively by
Tube and bus, I noticed that there were a few more police than usual
at stations and that was about it.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:13:00 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:48:25 +0100, Robert Woolley
wrote:

Since 7/7 transport in London is very well policed....

Is it? In London on the past two weekends, travelling extensively by
Tube and bus, I noticed that there were a few more police than usual
at stations and that was about it.

Neil

More police you can see, more plain clothes you can't.....


Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

Route 43 murder
 

On 9-Aug-2005, Robert Woolley wrote:

More police you can see, more plain clothes you can't.....

Oh yes? That sounds to me like prolefeed put out by NuLab spin doctors and
Sir Ian "Robocop" Blair to con the gullible that the system can protect its
serfs, rather than just blowing away innocent Brazilian electricians, so as
to be seen to be doing something.

Conductors aren't a complete answer. They can't be expected to deal with
situations that require the presence of a trained police officer, but they
do, however, supply "eyes and ears" on the 'bus, which are now sadly
lacking, assuming that the driver is looking at the road!