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Mark Brader August 21st 05 12:26 AM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
I've just checked, and it looks like I was wrong in saying "the line
through Barbican" - it appears the station itself was not affected.


Ah. Okay, that clears that up, then.
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Nigel Pendse August 21st 05 08:25 AM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
"asdf" wrote in message

"Between 1963 and 1965 a new shorter route was built for the line
between Barbican and Moorgate, south of and lower than the previous
alignment. While the old route was in the open, the deviation line was
placed in tunnels ready for the Barbican Centre to be built over it."


Presumably the Widened Lines were moved in the same way at the same
time?



Clive D. W. Feather August 22nd 05 05:57 AM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
In article , Tom
Anderson writes
Also, of course, the underground lines all run under the centre,
whereas the railways all stop at termini just outside the city centre
(apart from Thameslink). You might think that's a physical thing -
after all, you can hardly drive surface railways through central London


Of course you can, if you have the will.

The reason they all stop at the Euston Road is that Parliament said so:
no main line railways from the north were to cross it. Note that
railways from the south and east *do* enter the city.

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Clive D. W. Feather August 22nd 05 05:59 AM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
In article , Nigel Pendse
writes
"Between 1963 and 1965 a new shorter route was built for the line
between Barbican and Moorgate, south of and lower than the previous
alignment. While the old route was in the open, the deviation line was
placed in tunnels ready for the Barbican Centre to be built over it."

Presumably the Widened Lines were moved in the same way at the same
time?


Yes. In fact, the Widened Lines had to be moved first (think about it).

The connections from old to new alignments were each slewed over a
single weekend. Given that the *vertical* move was something like 2m,
this was quite a feat.

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Colin Rosenstiel August 22nd 05 07:47 AM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
In article ,
(Clive D. W. Feather) wrote:

In article , Nigel Pendse
writes
"Between 1963 and 1965 a new shorter route was built for the line
between Barbican and Moorgate, south of and lower than the previous
alignment. While the old route was in the open, the deviation line
was placed in tunnels ready for the Barbican Centre to be built
over it."

Presumably the Widened Lines were moved in the same way at the same
time?


Yes. In fact, the Widened Lines had to be moved first (think about
it).

The connections from old to new alignments were each slewed over a
single weekend. Given that the *vertical* move was something like
2m, this was quite a feat.


Yeah. It would have taken a six month blockade these days. :-(

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Boltar August 22nd 05 04:33 PM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
Did moorgate station have to be completely rebuilt? If not how
did they get the new tracks into alignment with the old platforms
in such a short distance?

B2003


Paul Terry August 22nd 05 06:16 PM

NYC and London: Comparisons.
 
In message .com,
Boltar writes

Did moorgate station have to be completely rebuilt? If not how
did they get the new tracks into alignment with the old platforms
in such a short distance?


Although the line had to be sunk, the lateral deviation was really quite
slight, simply straightening a slight kink in the original line's
entrance to Moorgate, which you can see in the following photo:

http://www.barbicanliving.co.uk/imag...dsiteplan1.htm

The following URL shows both the original line and the deviation (which
runs pretty much underneath the two lakes):

http://www.barbicanliving.co.uk/crea...ay_cutting.htm

As you can see, the approach to Moorgate was only minimally affected,
although I guess there could have been some slight realignment at the
outermost part of the platforms.

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