"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:32:39 +0100, Clive
wrote:

I thought they had recently installed two cameras each way on the
Lancashire section?

Must be very recent if they have.

Aren't there speed cameras in the overhead sign gantries on the M25?
Certainly there are speed camera "rulers" painted on the road just after
some of the gantries. I presume if the M25 has limits that are lower than 70
at times, the police want to catch people exceeding those lower limits so as
to increase the tax revenue to the government. Er, what am I saying? I mean,
of course, "to penalise the guilty": the fact that it generates extra
revenue is pure coincidence ;-)

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:08:36 +0100, "Martin Underwood" a@b wrote:

Aren't there speed cameras in the overhead sign gantries on the M25?

Yes, but it is reputed (I have never tested) that they trigger only
when the variable limit is set to something other than 70mph.

Neil

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In message , Paul Terry
writes
I was merely pointing out, in the context of setting motoring
expenses against tax, that we have the MOT here, just as the American
poster said he has an annual auto inspection (the latter is generally
fraction of the cost of an MOT, incidentally).
The last time I was in Merka, I asked about the MOT and was told that
cars were only checked for emissions, hence the lower cost?
--
Clive

In message , David Spiro
writes
Jeez, guys, take a deep breath, please. I'm almost sorry I posted this
thread.........................I didn't meant to start a war..........
Your name can't be George W. then.
--
Clive

Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Aren't there speed cameras in the overhead sign gantries on the M25?

Yes, but it is reputed (I have never tested) that they trigger only
when the variable limit is set to something other than 70mph.

AIUI, they are set even when the limit is 70, but at a reasonably high
(into three figures) threshold.

Martin Underwood wrote:
"Iain" wrote in message
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"Martin Underwood" a@b wrote in
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There are two ring roads around London.

Three. Besides the M25 and North/South Circulars, there's the
inner ring road, which is currently (almost) co-incident with the
outer perimiter of the congestion charge zone. Much like the North
Circ used to be (and the South Circ still is), it's a collection
of roads that happen to form a circumference around "central"
London, rather than being a purpose-built ring-road.

True. I don't tend to think of Marylebone Road / Euston Road / City
Road as being a ring road, but looking at a map it is. I suppose
you could continut it into south London as Borough Road,
Westminster Bridge, Victoria Road, Park Lane and Edgware Road to
get back to the starting point.

Well, you *could* route the Ring Road that way, but the actual route is
via Tower Bridge and Vauxhall Bridge, and has been for decades. Why
would you want to change it?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote:
"Iain" wrote in message
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"Martin Underwood" a@b wrote in
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There are two ring roads around London.

Three. Besides the M25 and North/South Circulars, there's the
inner ring road, which is currently (almost) co-incident with the
outer perimiter of the congestion charge zone. Much like the North
Circ used to be (and the South Circ still is), it's a collection
of roads that happen to form a circumference around "central"
London, rather than being a purpose-built ring-road.

True. I don't tend to think of Marylebone Road / Euston Road / City
Road as being a ring road, but looking at a map it is. I suppose
you could continue it into south London as Borough Road,
Westminster Bridge, Victoria Road, Park Lane and Edgware Road to
get back to the starting point.

Well, you *could* route the Ring Road that way, but the actual route is
via Tower Bridge and Vauxhall Bridge, and has been for decades. Why
would you want to change it?

Well I hadn't realised that there was a ring road at all that close into
central London until it was mentioned earlier in the thread, so I was
looking on the map for any route that looked roughly circular or oval, with
a bias to the north side of the river because that's where the offices,
shops and places of interest tend to be. But now you mention it, I can see
that Borough High Street continuing to Kennington Park Road and then turning
right past the Oval and up Vauxhall Bridge Road makes a better ring.

Er hang on, you said Tower Bridge, not London Bridge. Where does the ring
road go between City Road and Tower Bridge, and similarly between Tower
Bridge and Kennington Park Road. Is it something like City Road, Old Street,
Great Eastern St, Commercial Street, Whitechapel Road, Minories, Tower
Bridge, Tower Bridge Road, New Kent Road, Kennington Park Road?

It would help if I could find a map that distinguishes this ring road from
other roads: I'm basing my proposed route on a map where the width of the
road on the map varies from one road to another but the ring road evidently
doesn't follow the roads that are widest on the map!

Ah: http://www.cclondon.com/download/DetailMapCCZ.pdf makes it clear where
the ring road probably runs, in that I presume the congestion charge zone
defined to be everywhere within (but excluding) the ring road - and it *is*
the route I suggested above.

Roland Perry wrote
[...]
And in the USA (where I used to live anyway) you pay sales tax on
secondhand cars bought from a dealer. That's one tax we escape in the

UK. You can also end up paying sales tax on the car you already own
if
you "import" it from one state to another!

Wrong, in Britain sales tax (VAT) is paid on "secondhand cars bought
from a dealer" - there is a special scheme for secondhand goods so VAT
is only charged on the dealer's margin.
In the same way VAT may be due when permanently importing a car from
another EU state which can include the situation when a car is written
off after a crash.

--
Mike D

"Clive" wrote in message
news
In message , David Spiro
writes
Jeez, guys, take a deep breath, please. I'm almost sorry I posted this
thread.........................I didn't meant to start a war..........
Your name can't be George W. then.

You know, immediately after I hit the "send" button, I felt the cold hand of
"Somebody is going to jump on this comment." grip me................;-)

In message 01c5ad9c$b14c53c0$LocalHost@default, at 23:56:08 on Tue, 30
Aug 2005, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

Roland Perry wrote
[...]
And in the USA (where I used to live anyway) you pay sales tax on
secondhand cars bought from a dealer. That's one tax we escape in the

UK. You can also end up paying sales tax on the car you already own
if
you "import" it from one state to another!

Wrong, in Britain sales tax (VAT) is paid on "secondhand cars bought
from a dealer" - there is a special scheme for secondhand goods so VAT
is only charged on the dealer's margin.

So saying "wrong" is a little over the top! AIUI, the sales tax in the
USA is upon the whole price, not just the margin. And as the sales tax
is added to the ticket price (not inclusive), it means you have to be
very careful when comparing vehicles from dealers or individuals.

--
Roland Perry